Is the shortage abating?

cdoc42 · November 4, 2020, 08:59 PM

This might be an inappropriate place for this post but the admonition that such information should be placed in "Where is everything?" thread -- guns, ammo, primers, powder, etc." has been closed for several years.

In the midst of the pandemic, I ordered bullets from The Missouri Bullet Company and Precision Delta (Mississippi). It took a few months to finally have the order completed and received.

On November 1 (Sunday) at 6:30Pm I ordered 1000 .45 APC 230gr FMJ from Precision Delta. The order arrived today - Nov 4 - at 3Pm.

Are we starting to turn the corner?

TXAZ · November 4, 2020, 09:00 PM

You must be psychic and have ESPN. I was thinking that same thought yesterday when out browsing for ammo. They actually had more than I wanted in a couple of calibers.
I haven’t had a problem buying ammo at regular prices locally or on line.

cdoc42 · November 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

Txaz, I'm not psychic, nor do I have ESN, and I'm so glad because what I would foresee would drive me absolutely crazy these days.

Manufactured ammo in my area, as well as handloading items such as primers, bullets, and powder, are still difficult to find. I have a Cabela's store 8 miles away and the shelves - including guns - look like the toilet paper shelves when Covid first started.

T. O'Heir · November 5, 2020, 12:56 PM

Most of the online retailers are showing nearly everything as not available or out of stock with no back order. I suspect the assorted manufacturers are not working due to the Covid Panic. That's not going away any time soon.
Precision Delta probably had 'em in stock. Their site indicates all other weights and type of bullet are out of stock too.

**Unclenick** · November 5, 2020, 01:01 PM

According to Midsouth, components, particularly brass and primers, are all being used for loaded ammo to try to meet the demand from all the first-time gun owners the rioting created. According to Forbes Magazine, gun and ammo makers who upped their production capacity during the previous administration got burned when the current administration was elected and people stopped feeling threatened and stopped stockpiling and over-buying, and suddenly they were stuck with extra employees and equipment they could not keep busy. So, this time they are not doing anything to increase capacity, instead contracting out what they can and adding some overtime, but not ramping anything up in their own plants.

BJung · November 5, 2020, 02:02 PM

It depends on the outcome of this election and if rioting will continue, I think.

HiBC · November 5, 2020, 02:14 PM

I'm thinking the last couple of days will induce panic.

Not long ago ,on the radio, It may have been in an interview with President Trump,but I don't recall,

It came up that a General of some sort advised President Trump "We are running out of ammo for our military"

Of course,the Pres took action,and he also said "Keep that quiet" for obvious reasons.

I don't know the time frame this occurred. But at least some empty shelves may have to do with restocking the military.

I've also noticed the once fired brass suppliers are short on inventory,mostly "out of stock" and what they do have is about 2 1/2 times the price of a year or two ago.

cdoc42 · November 5, 2020, 08:40 PM

A friend found some 115gr FMJ rounds in 9mm at an Army/Navy store for $50 for 50 rounds. When he questioned the price, he was told: Take it or leave it." I'd say that lad needs to go to customer retaining training.

hounddawg · November 5, 2020, 09:13 PM

Just looked on ammoseek and it looks like you can find darn near any common handgun or rifle ammo pretty easy at this moment at least. Prices looked high to me but I have not bought any loaded ammo in years now so I have no idea what the prices were last January before the SHTF. For example I saw .223 with brass case for 60 cents each. A few years back I picked up some bulk AR fodder when I did not feel like setting the progressive up and I think it was more like $75 for 250 of the bulk stuff

TXAZ · November 5, 2020, 10:43 PM

I just bought another 140 rounds of .308 match and 50 rounds of .44 Mag at ~ 10% off (prior normal retail) both.

There are deals out there for .22 and 9mm also, you just have to look.

lll Otto lll · November 6, 2020, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoc42

Are we starting to turn the corner?

It's more like the lull before the storm....

cdoc42 · November 6, 2020, 07:33 PM

I've thought about this. I have primers that I paid $10/1000. I had enough to hold me until they climbed to $30 or so. Now they're approaching $36-39 - IF you can find them.
Is anyone willing to pay what I anticipate will be $50/1000 when the manufacturers switch from loaded ammo demand? Are we willing to grab them up before they go even higher? Or are we, based on age and aggravation, going to say, "Screw it!", I might as well buy pre-made ammo. Which will silently erase the significance of the handloading crowd visa-vis the 2nd Amendment?

hounddawg · November 6, 2020, 07:44 PM

well from the long range rifle shooters viewpoint I doubt many of my freinds will be using store bought ammo. It is simply not accurate enough. This is a expensive hobby, you need to have a fair amount of disposable income. My wife has came to the conclusion that while competitive shooting may be less expensive of a hobby than boating, golf would have been a bargain in comparison

cdoc42 · November 7, 2020, 07:32 PM

Hounddawg, I agree that disposable income is a prerequisite to continuing participation in any hobby. Although this may be an inappropriate location to discuss, what troubles me is the potential for those in power to tax the components of handloading, as well as manufactured ammo, which slowly but surely reduces the enthusiasm for a large majority of shooters. Over time, the offspring of our shooters will lose their attraction as well and gun control will be one step closer to success.

BJung · November 7, 2020, 08:45 PM

Here in California, politicians has made lead sound as toxic as radioactive material. As old as most of are here, a lot of lead was around us when we were young and we are okay.

Liberals have successfully closed 2 outdoor ranges and 1 indoor range within a 50 mile radius of me. Doing so killed two clubs and kills the sport. They know it and will continue, I'm sure.

I'm not wealthy but I buy what components I can. Plus, took up casting so I could use my money to buy jacketed bullets, powders and primers.

Most of you don't have this but CA until recently required you to show id when buying ammo. So, as your id is run through their system (costs you$), it gets recorded and they have a guess that you own a gun and what kind. .223? Most likely an AR15. 7.62x39? SKS or the banned AK47 or SKS with detachable magazine.

**Aguila Blanca** · November 7, 2020, 10:50 PM

We are in the Reloading discussion area, not Law & Civil rights. Please stay on topic about reloading or this thread will have to be closed.

Schlitz 45 · November 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

Local sporting goods store today had CCI #500 Small pistol primers in stock, 4 cents a piece limit 2 boxes, had the wife buy a couple so ended up with 400 primers-better than nothing. Also picked up some Berry’s 124gr 9mm FMJ & a couple pounds of CFE Pistol while the wife was buying herself a new pistol. Was good to see some SPP again.

std7mag · November 8, 2020, 09:23 AM

Nope!!
After yesterday, it's just getting started!

Road_Clam · November 8, 2020, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoc42

I've thought about this. I have primers that I paid $10/1000. I had enough to hold me until they climbed to $30 or so. Now they're approaching $36-39 - IF you can find them.
Is anyone willing to pay what I anticipate will be $50/1000 when the manufacturers switch from loaded ammo demand? Are we willing to grab them up before they go even higher? Or are we, based on age and aggravation, going to say, "Screw it!", I might as well buy pre-made ammo. Which will silently erase the significance of the handloading crowd visa-vis the 2nd Amendment?

$50 / per thousand ?? Here's what many people are willing to pay to shoot. (and this is just the beginning)

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/883230632

And check out this tool's auction (it's obviously loaded with shill bidding)

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/883230479

cdoc42 · November 8, 2020, 10:59 AM

Those bids are totally inconceivable.

stinkeypete · November 8, 2020, 11:05 AM

Burbank- just so you know... conservatives killed my skeet/indoor pistol range years back as they subdivided land all around it then complained about the noise. The city shut us down and the land was bought under “eminent domain” to extend a little used runway at a semi-private airfield. Oddly, a strip mall was built over the top of where our club was.

Asking the NRA for legal help or help finding land for a new site? No help except a bunch of spam mail telling us how to join the NRA.

**Unclenick** · November 8, 2020, 01:06 PM

AB already tried to get the politics out of this thread. Wrong area of the board for that. Thread closed.

November 4, 2020, 08:59 PM	#1
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	Is the shortage abating? This might be an inappropriate place for this post but the admonition that such information should be placed in "Where is everything?" thread -- guns, ammo, primers, powder, etc." has been closed for several years. In the midst of the pandemic, I ordered bullets from The Missouri Bullet Company and Precision Delta (Mississippi). It took a few months to finally have the order completed and received. On November 1 (Sunday) at 6:30Pm I ordered 1000 .45 APC 230gr FMJ from Precision Delta. The order arrived today - Nov 4 - at 3Pm. Are we starting to turn the corner?

November 4, 2020, 09:00 PM	#2
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	You must be psychic and have ESPN. I was thinking that same thought yesterday when out browsing for ammo. They actually had more than I wanted in a couple of calibers. I haven’t had a problem buying ammo at regular prices locally or on line. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

November 5, 2020, 09:13 PM	#9
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	Just looked on ammoseek and it looks like you can find darn near any common handgun or rifle ammo pretty easy at this moment at least. Prices looked high to me but I have not bought any loaded ammo in years now so I have no idea what the prices were last January before the SHTF. For example I saw .223 with brass case for 60 cents each. A few years back I picked up some bulk AR fodder when I did not feel like setting the progressive up and I think it was more like $75 for 250 of the bulk stuff __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

November 5, 2020, 10:43 PM	#10
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I just bought another 140 rounds of .308 match and 50 rounds of .44 Mag at ~ 10% off (prior normal retail) both. There are deals out there for .22 and 9mm also, you just have to look. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

November 6, 2020, 07:44 PM	#13
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	well from the long range rifle shooters viewpoint I doubt many of my freinds will be using store bought ammo. It is simply not accurate enough. This is a expensive hobby, you need to have a fair amount of disposable income. My wife has came to the conclusion that while competitive shooting may be less expensive of a hobby than boating, golf would have been a bargain in comparison __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

November 4, 2020, 10:56 PM	#3
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	Txaz, I'm not psychic, nor do I have ESN, and I'm so glad because what I would foresee would drive me absolutely crazy these days. Manufactured ammo in my area, as well as handloading items such as primers, bullets, and powder, are still difficult to find. I have a Cabela's store 8 miles away and the shelves - including guns - look like the toilet paper shelves when Covid first started.

November 5, 2020, 12:56 PM	#4
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Most of the online retailers are showing nearly everything as not available or out of stock with no back order. I suspect the assorted manufacturers are not working due to the Covid Panic. That's not going away any time soon. Precision Delta probably had 'em in stock. Their site indicates all other weights and type of bullet are out of stock too.

November 5, 2020, 01:01 PM	#5
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,742	According to Midsouth, components, particularly brass and primers, are all being used for loaded ammo to try to meet the demand from all the first-time gun owners the rioting created. According to Forbes Magazine, gun and ammo makers who upped their production capacity during the previous administration got burned when the current administration was elected and people stopped feeling threatened and stopped stockpiling and over-buying, and suddenly they were stuck with extra employees and equipment they could not keep busy. So, this time they are not doing anything to increase capacity, instead contracting out what they can and adding some overtime, but not ramping anything up in their own plants. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

November 5, 2020, 02:02 PM	#6
BJung Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2019 Posts: 849	It depends on the outcome of this election and if rioting will continue, I think.

November 5, 2020, 02:14 PM	#7
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,350	I'm thinking the last couple of days will induce panic. Not long ago ,on the radio, It may have been in an interview with President Trump,but I don't recall, It came up that a General of some sort advised President Trump "We are running out of ammo for our military" Of course,the Pres took action,and he also said "Keep that quiet" for obvious reasons. I don't know the time frame this occurred. But at least some empty shelves may have to do with restocking the military. I've also noticed the once fired brass suppliers are short on inventory,mostly "out of stock" and what they do have is about 2 1/2 times the price of a year or two ago.

November 5, 2020, 08:40 PM	#8
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	A friend found some 115gr FMJ rounds in 9mm at an Army/Navy store for $50 for 50 rounds. When he questioned the price, he was told: Take it or leave it." I'd say that lad needs to go to customer retaining training.

November 6, 2020, 07:33 PM	#12
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	I've thought about this. I have primers that I paid $10/1000. I had enough to hold me until they climbed to $30 or so. Now they're approaching $36-39 - IF you can find them. Is anyone willing to pay what I anticipate will be $50/1000 when the manufacturers switch from loaded ammo demand? Are we willing to grab them up before they go even higher? Or are we, based on age and aggravation, going to say, "Screw it!", I might as well buy pre-made ammo. Which will silently erase the significance of the handloading crowd visa-vis the 2nd Amendment?

November 7, 2020, 07:32 PM	#14
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	Hounddawg, I agree that disposable income is a prerequisite to continuing participation in any hobby. Although this may be an inappropriate location to discuss, what troubles me is the potential for those in power to tax the components of handloading, as well as manufactured ammo, which slowly but surely reduces the enthusiasm for a large majority of shooters. Over time, the offspring of our shooters will lose their attraction as well and gun control will be one step closer to success.

November 7, 2020, 08:45 PM	#15
BJung Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2019 Posts: 849	Here in California, politicians has made lead sound as toxic as radioactive material. As old as most of are here, a lot of lead was around us when we were young and we are okay. Liberals have successfully closed 2 outdoor ranges and 1 indoor range within a 50 mile radius of me. Doing so killed two clubs and kills the sport. They know it and will continue, I'm sure. I'm not wealthy but I buy what components I can. Plus, took up casting so I could use my money to buy jacketed bullets, powders and primers. Most of you don't have this but CA until recently required you to show id when buying ammo. So, as your id is run through their system (costs you$), it gets recorded and they have a guess that you own a gun and what kind. .223? Most likely an AR15. 7.62x39? SKS or the banned AK47 or SKS with detachable magazine.

November 7, 2020, 10:50 PM	#16
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,047	We are in the Reloading discussion area, not Law & Civil rights. Please stay on topic about reloading or this thread will have to be closed. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

November 7, 2020, 11:48 PM	#17
Schlitz 45 Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2018 Location: Colorado Posts: 414	Local sporting goods store today had CCI #500 Small pistol primers in stock, 4 cents a piece limit 2 boxes, had the wife buy a couple so ended up with 400 primers-better than nothing. Also picked up some Berry’s 124gr 9mm FMJ & a couple pounds of CFE Pistol while the wife was buying herself a new pistol. Was good to see some SPP again.

November 8, 2020, 09:23 AM	#18
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,611	Nope!! After yesterday, it's just getting started! __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

November 8, 2020, 10:59 AM	#20
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,772	Those bids are totally inconceivable.

November 8, 2020, 11:05 AM	#21
stinkeypete Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2010 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 1,344	Burbank- just so you know... conservatives killed my skeet/indoor pistol range years back as they subdivided land all around it then complained about the noise. The city shut us down and the land was bought under “eminent domain” to extend a little used runway at a semi-private airfield. Oddly, a strip mall was built over the top of where our club was. Asking the NRA for legal help or help finding land for a new site? No help except a bunch of spam mail telling us how to join the NRA. __________________ My book "The Pheasant Hunter's Action Adventure Cookbook" is now on Amazon. Tall tales, hunting tips, butchering from bird to the freezer, and recipes.

November 8, 2020, 01:06 PM	#22
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,742	AB already tried to get the politics out of this thread. Wrong area of the board for that. Thread closed. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle