6.5x55 Sporter - Mystery Clackamas Build

rockinrev · March 28, 2017, 11:45 AM

I am new here, this is my first post. Check out this neat sporter I snagged at my LGS. It is a Mauser 98 build using a Turkish action, Swedish 6.5x55 modded barrel (perhaps a 96?), with B marked bolt, Dayton Mark II safety, in a plastic Butler Creek stock. Its an Ankara marked receiver, with B marked bolt. Says "Sporting Arms, Clackamas, OR Mauser 98" and "6.5x55" on barrel. Receiver markings also include NAC RID NJ.

I assume it was a Kinder sporterization, insofaras Warne's first company was called Sporting Arms, they did work in Clackamas (and nearby Colton), and later had operations in Ridgefield, NJ.

Nice gun. Looking foward to hunting with it.

rockinrev · March 28, 2017, 11:51 AM

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rockinrev · March 28, 2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rockinrev

I am new here, this is my first post. Check out this neat sporter I snagged at my LGS. It is a Mauser 98 build using a Turkish action, Swedish 6.5x55 modded barrel (perhaps a 96?), with B marked bolt, Dayton Mark II safety, in a plastic Butler Creek stock. Its an Ankara marked receiver, with B marked bolt. Says "Sporting Arms, Clackamas, OR Mauser 98" and "6.5x55" on barrel. Receiver markings also include NAC RID NJ.

I assume it was a Kinder sporterization, insofaras Warne's first company was called Sporting Arms, they did work in Clackamas (and nearby Colton), and later had operations in Ridgefield, NJ.

Nice gun. Looking foward to hunting with it.

Kimber not Kinder

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SHR970 · March 28, 2017, 09:49 PM

NAC RID NJ is the importer markings of the origininal rifle. Navy Arms Corperation Ridgefield New Jersey. The reciever was marked as required by the 1968 GCA.

SHR970 · March 28, 2017, 09:54 PM

NAC RID NJ is the importer markings of the origininal rifle. Navy Arms Corperation Ridgefield New Jersey. The reciever was marked as required by the 1968 GCA.

Considering Clackamas isn't exactly a large community it would seem you have a Kimber conversion. It would be a Turkish Mauser if cock on opening or Swedish Mauser (M96) if cock on closing; they did both variants.

FrankenMauser · March 29, 2017, 01:28 AM

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Considering Clackamas isn't exactly a large community it would seem you have a Kimber conversion. It would be a Turkish Mauser if cock on opening or Swedish Mauser (M96) if cock on closing; they did both variants.

Or either, since conversion kits are available to convert COC '93 and '96 bolts to COO; in addition to re-arsenal conversions that had been done 90-100 years ago.

(But he already said it's Turkish.)

Scorch · March 29, 2017, 03:16 AM

Or he could have a pieced together parts gun that was assembled from the bones of several old rifles. Who knows? The Kimber conversions were done on Swedish 1896s, and that is a Turkish 98, so we know it's probably not one of the Kimbers.

Mobuck · March 29, 2017, 09:04 AM

In Post #3, you can see the old rear sight screw hole is no longer indexed at the top. I sold a few of the "original Kimber" re-furbs and all the 6.5x55 I saw had the original barrel untouched other than removing sights and polishing/bluing.

SHR970 · March 29, 2017, 06:41 PM

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(But he already said it's Turkish.)

You're right, he did say Ankra Marked Reciever.

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and that is a Turkish 98, so we know it's probably not one of the Kimbers.

Not so fast. There are plenty of documented Turkish Conversions since the Turk Mausers may have been large ring but they were made for small shank barrels.

Also, having been to Clackamas and Colton (my mother lived in Colton for 16 years of my adult life) I can tell you that neither are exactly large thriving gun centers.

Rob228 · March 29, 2017, 06:52 PM

I saw one of those in .243 a while back.

rockinrev · March 29, 2017, 07:04 PM

AFAIK the Swedish 96 barrels are small ring and the Ankara 98s take small ring barrels. It seems pretty unlikely there were two companies making 6.5 sporters from old Mauser parts in Clackamas. I would bet it was done by some version of "Kimber" - FWIW. I paid $250 for it with a box of good Hornady ammo. Happy with that.

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Rob228 · March 29, 2017, 08:10 PM

The one I saw was marked Kimber.

rockinrev · March 29, 2017, 08:46 PM

Kimber was started by Greg Warne and his dad Jack. The elder Warne was an Australian whose original company "Sporting Arms" was bought by Omark, which owned many brands, like Speer and others. Jack was the engineering genius who had cut his teeth by sporterising old Enfields and his Kimber company made 22s and other rifles. Eventually the Warnes got out of Kimber in the late 80s. Warne Manufacturing now makes scope mounts.

My guess is Jack Warne had something to do with my Mauser build from Sporting Arms of Clackamas. Hopefully somebody who knows the whole story can confirm.

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rockinrev · March 29, 2017, 08:49 PM

The Warne family moved to Oregon from Australia in late 60s and Jack Warne presided over Omark's gun related businesses until the mid 80s, when he and son started Kimber.

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Blindstitch · March 29, 2017, 09:29 PM

How much did you pay for it and how well does it shoot? Looks like a good gun to me.

As for the questions on Kimber or not I think if you try to sell it there will be a big he said she said issue. But on the other hand I buy guns to shoot and i'm sure you do to so enjoy it.

If you can find provenance nail it down and keep multiple copies so someone in the future doesn't think it's a nicely put together piece of random mausers.

Pathfinder45 · March 29, 2017, 10:22 PM

Now all it needs is some ordinary Walnut.

rockinrev · March 30, 2017, 07:46 AM

$250 for the gun and a box of ammo. Taking out to the farm to shoot soon.

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doofus47 · March 30, 2017, 11:03 AM

$250? Win! Nice rifle.

rockinrev · March 30, 2017, 11:28 AM

Nice smooth bolt. Trigger not bad. Good clean bore. Lightweight. Cool cartridge. I have high hopes for deer season as a bang around gun to climb trees with.

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Blindstitch · March 30, 2017, 03:41 PM

There might be a Timney trigger in your future. Should be drop in easy.

smarquez · March 30, 2017, 08:26 PM

It looks like there is some kind of adapter screwed into the action and the barrel is screwed into that. There is an extra shoulder there. I would have given $250 for that. Did it come with the scope and mounts? I have a Kimber 96 Sporter in 6.5 Swede and it is a good gun but I could not get a Boyd trigger to work on it. It would not catch the cocking piece.

rockinrev · March 30, 2017, 09:54 PM

It came with mounts and rings and a Trashco which I replaced with a Leupold 2-7

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taylorce1 · March 31, 2017, 07:18 AM

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$250? Win! Nice rifle.

Could be nice, but it could be a pile of parts. It all depends on how it shoots. I had a Kimber sporter M96 6.5X55 and best it could hold was around 4 MOA. That was after I bedded the stock, replaced the trigger, and converted to cock-on-open. Before that it was about a 6 MOA rifle with factory or hand loaded fodder. I wound up giving the rifle away rather than mess with it anymore.

For $250 it is definitely worth taking a risk on a rifle, but don't be heart broken if it doesn't shoot well. If it doesn't shoot well send it off and have a new barrel put on it in 6.5X55, replace the trigger and properly bed it. My guess is you'll have a tack driver.

March 28, 2017, 11:45 AM	#1
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	6.5x55 Sporter - Mystery Clackamas Build I am new here, this is my first post. Check out this neat sporter I snagged at my LGS. It is a Mauser 98 build using a Turkish action, Swedish 6.5x55 modded barrel (perhaps a 96?), with B marked bolt, Dayton Mark II safety, in a plastic Butler Creek stock. Its an Ankara marked receiver, with B marked bolt. Says "Sporting Arms, Clackamas, OR Mauser 98" and "6.5x55" on barrel. Receiver markings also include NAC RID NJ. I assume it was a Kinder sporterization, insofaras Warne's first company was called Sporting Arms, they did work in Clackamas (and nearby Colton), and later had operations in Ridgefield, NJ. Nice gun. Looking foward to hunting with it.

March 29, 2017, 03:16 AM	#9
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,249	Or he could have a pieced together parts gun that was assembled from the bones of several old rifles. Who knows? The Kimber conversions were done on Swedish 1896s, and that is a Turkish 98, so we know it's probably not one of the Kimbers. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

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doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	$250? Win! Nice rifle. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

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March 28, 2017, 09:49 PM	#6
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	NAC RID NJ is the importer markings of the origininal rifle. Navy Arms Corperation Ridgefield New Jersey. The reciever was marked as required by the 1968 GCA.

March 28, 2017, 09:54 PM	#7
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	NAC RID NJ is the importer markings of the origininal rifle. Navy Arms Corperation Ridgefield New Jersey. The reciever was marked as required by the 1968 GCA. Considering Clackamas isn't exactly a large community it would seem you have a Kimber conversion. It would be a Turkish Mauser if cock on opening or Swedish Mauser (M96) if cock on closing; they did both variants.

March 29, 2017, 09:04 AM	#10
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	In Post #3, you can see the old rear sight screw hole is no longer indexed at the top. I sold a few of the "original Kimber" re-furbs and all the 6.5x55 I saw had the original barrel untouched other than removing sights and polishing/bluing.

March 29, 2017, 06:52 PM	#12
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	I saw one of those in .243 a while back.

March 29, 2017, 07:04 PM	#13
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	AFAIK the Swedish 96 barrels are small ring and the Ankara 98s take small ring barrels. It seems pretty unlikely there were two companies making 6.5 sporters from old Mauser parts in Clackamas. I would bet it was done by some version of "Kimber" - FWIW. I paid $250 for it with a box of good Hornady ammo. Happy with that. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

March 29, 2017, 08:10 PM	#14
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	The one I saw was marked Kimber.

March 29, 2017, 08:46 PM	#15
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	Kimber was started by Greg Warne and his dad Jack. The elder Warne was an Australian whose original company "Sporting Arms" was bought by Omark, which owned many brands, like Speer and others. Jack was the engineering genius who had cut his teeth by sporterising old Enfields and his Kimber company made 22s and other rifles. Eventually the Warnes got out of Kimber in the late 80s. Warne Manufacturing now makes scope mounts. My guess is Jack Warne had something to do with my Mauser build from Sporting Arms of Clackamas. Hopefully somebody who knows the whole story can confirm. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

March 29, 2017, 08:49 PM	#16
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	The Warne family moved to Oregon from Australia in late 60s and Jack Warne presided over Omark's gun related businesses until the mid 80s, when he and son started Kimber. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

March 29, 2017, 09:29 PM	#17
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,696	How much did you pay for it and how well does it shoot? Looks like a good gun to me. As for the questions on Kimber or not I think if you try to sell it there will be a big he said she said issue. But on the other hand I buy guns to shoot and i'm sure you do to so enjoy it. If you can find provenance nail it down and keep multiple copies so someone in the future doesn't think it's a nicely put together piece of random mausers.

March 29, 2017, 10:22 PM	#18
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	Now all it needs is some ordinary Walnut.

March 30, 2017, 07:46 AM	#19
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	$250 for the gun and a box of ammo. Taking out to the farm to shoot soon. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

March 30, 2017, 11:28 AM	#21
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	Nice smooth bolt. Trigger not bad. Good clean bore. Lightweight. Cool cartridge. I have high hopes for deer season as a bang around gun to climb trees with. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

March 30, 2017, 03:41 PM	#22
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,696	There might be a Timney trigger in your future. Should be drop in easy.

March 30, 2017, 08:26 PM	#23
smarquez Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2011 Posts: 135	It looks like there is some kind of adapter screwed into the action and the barrel is screwed into that. There is an extra shoulder there. I would have given $250 for that. Did it come with the scope and mounts? I have a Kimber 96 Sporter in 6.5 Swede and it is a good gun but I could not get a Boyd trigger to work on it. It would not catch the cocking piece.

March 30, 2017, 09:54 PM	#24
rockinrev Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2017 Posts: 11	It came with mounts and rings and a Trashco which I replaced with a Leupold 2-7 Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk