Whitneyville Walker/ 3rd Dragoon

Strafer Gott · February 2, 2017, 01:16 PM

The LGS has both of these@ $545 ea. I don't really choke on the price. When was the last time you saw WW or 3rd Dragoon? A ROA would be more. They are boxed up with powder flask and bullet mold, LNIB. I can only swing one now. Which way would you go and why?

Oliver Sudden · February 2, 2017, 01:27 PM

3rd dragoon, better loading lever latch, 50 grains cylinder capacity and some have the leaf rear sight. And I've seen more Walkers then dragoons.

Fingers McGee · February 2, 2017, 01:30 PM

Dragoon. better latch, flat spring, more compact.

maillemaker · February 2, 2017, 02:07 PM

Are they originals or reproductions?

Steve

**4V50 Gary** · February 2, 2017, 02:26 PM

Make mine Dragoon. Why? Improved design and still cap 'n ball.

BlackPowderBen · February 2, 2017, 02:34 PM

At that price with the molds and flask, it may be a Colt Signature Series model.

Strafer Gott · February 2, 2017, 03:06 PM

Come to think of it, this is the third Walker I've seen in the last month or so. Good point. Two of them were Uberti 's, one beat rag for $ 275 and good one for $325. Whitneyville models are a wee bit different though.

Hawg · February 2, 2017, 04:41 PM

Whitneyville or not I'd still go with the Dragoon.

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Are they originals or reproductions?

You'd have to add a few zero's to get originals.

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At that price with the molds and flask, it may be a Colt Signature Series model.

That would be about 400.00 more.

45 Dragoon · February 2, 2017, 10:44 PM

Dragoon

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Beagle333 · February 2, 2017, 11:30 PM

I just got this Palmetto Whitneyville Walker in today's mail. I found it as an unfired safe queen, just as it arrived from Dixie Gun Works in 2002.

Strafer Gott · February 3, 2017, 12:39 PM

I called the LGS to put the dragoon on hold until I can get in this afternoon for a close examination. The manufacturer is ASM, so this gun was made quite awhile back. I know some people disrespect Armi. I have one of ASM's Hartford model Colts and it hasn't bit me yet. I saw on Midway's webpage an expected stocking of second model dragoons in May. If I knew this was real, it might temper my bargaining position.

BlackPowderBen · February 3, 2017, 06:14 PM

Midway had a great sale on 1st Model Dragoons about a month ago, price dropped under $300.

Strafer Gott · February 3, 2017, 07:00 PM

Sad to say, that dragoon was the most worn out firearm I've ever touched. Strictly a wall hanger, and I need a shooter. I had to decline the deal. Oh well, must be something better on the way. I really do favor the round trigger guard of the 3rd model. A new Uberti 2nd model would definitely beat a sharp stick in the eye though. Does Pietta make dragoons as well?

Fingers McGee · February 3, 2017, 08:34 PM

Pietta does not and never has made a Dragoon - or pocket pistol either for that matter. Uberti is the only current maker of Dragoons. Armi San Marco, 2nd Gen Colts and Signature Series Colts are the only other makers from previous years.

Hawg · February 3, 2017, 09:41 PM

Didn't Palmetto make a dragoon?

jmar · February 3, 2017, 11:34 PM

An ASM Dragoon is worth $300 not $545. Good you passed, you can get a brand new Uberti 3rd model cased set for cheaper than that.

Fingers McGee · February 4, 2017, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawg

Didn't Palmetto make a dragoon?

I believe you are correct. I'm always forgetting about Palmetto. Don't know why; I've had a few over the years.

SIGSHR · February 6, 2017, 04:37 PM

I have both, the Dragoon is a much better shooter, better loading lever latch, better balanced IMHO.

**4V50 Gary** · February 6, 2017, 06:09 PM

If it was cheaper, I'd rebuild it with new parts.

Strafer Gott · February 6, 2017, 08:21 PM

I found another local source that I'm checking. Might be able to scare up a new Uberti. I have a Walker and an "60 Army", so I can be a little patient. I really like to personally inspect firearms.

Fogman01 · February 9, 2017, 08:40 PM

Walker! No doubt whatsoever. I have a Colt 2nd gen Walker and a Colt 2nd gen Dragoon. The Walker is a MUCH better shooter than the Dragoon in every respect. But guess what - the loading levers fall down on both of them. I use a piece of elk leather around the barrel and loading lever.
Walker = awesome shooter. If you want a BIG gun get a Walker. If not get a 1860 Army. The Walker is easy to shoot - I love it. Shot it with the recommended 50 grains but will add more - still a lot of room for more powder and I was using a lubed wad over the powder.
Dragoon = second time shooting it... pain in the butt. This gun is somewhere between a Walker and a 1860 Army - and is neither fish nor foul. It's big and heavy but doesn't hold enough powder for all that weight. Colt recommends 40 grains.This gun is way too heavy to only shoot 40 grains. The 1860 is much more comfortable if you don't want to lug around a heavy gun. If you do feel like carrying a brick then make it worth your while and get a Walker. It originally was made to hold 60 grains. I am shooting a Sharps 45-70 rifle loaded with 62 grains! The Walker was the most powerful handgun in the world until the .357 magnum came out. The Dragoon got a cap caught under the cylinder and scratched it; I would sell this gun if that hadn't happened The Walker doesn't care about spent caps. With the Dragoon, if the wedge isn't in EXACTLY right, either the cylinder binds and won't turn or the hammer doesn't strike the cap hard enough to fire it. It has to be EXACTLY right. The action just felt rough. The Walker is smooth and a pleasure to shoot.. not so the Dragoon.
I cleaned the Dragoon and put it back in the safe. I will be shooting the Walker from now on.

Hawg · February 9, 2017, 09:16 PM

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With the Dragoon, if the wedge isn't in EXACTLY right, either the cylinder binds and won't turn or the hammer doesn't strike the cap hard enough to fire it.

Same way with the Walker unless somebody fixed the short arbor. My dragoon is one of the smoothest out of the box guns I have it just has a heavy mainspring.

45 Dragoon · February 9, 2017, 11:42 PM

Fogman,
There's a fix for that. . . . . .

Lol

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maillemaker · February 10, 2017, 10:58 AM

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The LGS has both of these@ $545 ea. I don't really choke on the price.

Dude you can buy these all day long for way less.

Uberti 3rd model dragoon:
$380
http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...0501/cat100006

Whitneyville Walker:
$400
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/739...eel-frame-blue

Steve

BlackPowderBen · February 10, 2017, 11:01 AM

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Dude you can buy these all day long for way less.

Uberti 3rd model dragoon:
$380
http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...0501/cat100006

Whitneyville Walker:
$400
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/739...eel-frame-blue

Steve

I agree.

February 2, 2017, 01:16 PM	#1
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Whitneyville Walker/ 3rd Dragoon The LGS has both of these@ $545 ea. I don't really choke on the price. When was the last time you saw WW or 3rd Dragoon? A ROA would be more. They are boxed up with powder flask and bullet mold, LNIB. I can only swing one now. Which way would you go and why?

February 2, 2017, 02:26 PM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,293	Since these are all repros.... Make mine Dragoon. Why? Improved design and still cap 'n ball. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

February 2, 2017, 02:34 PM	#6
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	At that price with the molds and flask, it may be a Colt Signature Series model. __________________ "If you have to shoot, shoot! Dont talk"

February 2, 2017, 11:30 PM	#10
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Auburn, AL. Posts: 2,332	I'm voting for Walker. (my .02) I just got this Palmetto Whitneyville Walker in today's mail. I found it as an unfired safe queen, just as it arrived from Dixie Gun Works in 2002. __________________ . . . Have a Colt and a smile. Last edited by Beagle333; February 3, 2017 at 12:11 AM. Reason: spellin

February 3, 2017, 06:14 PM	#12
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	Midway had a great sale on 1st Model Dragoons about a month ago, price dropped under $300. __________________ "If you have to shoot, shoot! Dont talk"

February 2, 2017, 01:27 PM	#2
Oliver Sudden Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 282	3rd dragoon, better loading lever latch, 50 grains cylinder capacity and some have the leaf rear sight. And I've seen more Walkers then dragoons.

February 2, 2017, 01:30 PM	#3
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Dragoon. better latch, flat spring, more compact.

February 2, 2017, 02:07 PM	#4
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	Are they originals or reproductions? Steve

February 2, 2017, 03:06 PM	#7
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Come to think of it, this is the third Walker I've seen in the last month or so. Good point. Two of them were Uberti 's, one beat rag for $ 275 and good one for $325. Whitneyville models are a wee bit different though.

February 2, 2017, 10:44 PM	#9
45 Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2013 Posts: 657	Dragoon Mike www.goonsgunworks.com Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

February 3, 2017, 12:39 PM	#11
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	I called the LGS to put the dragoon on hold until I can get in this afternoon for a close examination. The manufacturer is ASM, so this gun was made quite awhile back. I know some people disrespect Armi. I have one of ASM's Hartford model Colts and it hasn't bit me yet. I saw on Midway's webpage an expected stocking of second model dragoons in May. If I knew this was real, it might temper my bargaining position.

February 3, 2017, 07:00 PM	#13
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Sad to say, that dragoon was the most worn out firearm I've ever touched. Strictly a wall hanger, and I need a shooter. I had to decline the deal. Oh well, must be something better on the way. I really do favor the round trigger guard of the 3rd model. A new Uberti 2nd model would definitely beat a sharp stick in the eye though. Does Pietta make dragoons as well?

February 3, 2017, 08:34 PM	#14
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Pietta does not and never has made a Dragoon - or pocket pistol either for that matter. Uberti is the only current maker of Dragoons. Armi San Marco, 2nd Gen Colts and Signature Series Colts are the only other makers from previous years.

February 3, 2017, 09:41 PM	#15
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	Didn't Palmetto make a dragoon?

February 3, 2017, 11:34 PM	#16
jmar Member Join Date: February 27, 2016 Posts: 49	An ASM Dragoon is worth $300 not $545. Good you passed, you can get a brand new Uberti 3rd model cased set for cheaper than that.

February 6, 2017, 04:37 PM	#18
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,712	I have both, the Dragoon is a much better shooter, better loading lever latch, better balanced IMHO.

February 6, 2017, 06:09 PM	#19
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,293	If it was cheaper, I'd rebuild it with new parts. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

February 6, 2017, 08:21 PM	#20
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	I found another local source that I'm checking. Might be able to scare up a new Uberti. I have a Walker and an "60 Army", so I can be a little patient. I really like to personally inspect firearms.

February 9, 2017, 08:40 PM	#21
Fogman01 Junior Member Join Date: February 7, 2017 Posts: 1	Walker! No doubt whatsoever. I have a Colt 2nd gen Walker and a Colt 2nd gen Dragoon. The Walker is a MUCH better shooter than the Dragoon in every respect. But guess what - the loading levers fall down on both of them. I use a piece of elk leather around the barrel and loading lever. Walker = awesome shooter. If you want a BIG gun get a Walker. If not get a 1860 Army. The Walker is easy to shoot - I love it. Shot it with the recommended 50 grains but will add more - still a lot of room for more powder and I was using a lubed wad over the powder. Dragoon = second time shooting it... pain in the butt. This gun is somewhere between a Walker and a 1860 Army - and is neither fish nor foul. It's big and heavy but doesn't hold enough powder for all that weight. Colt recommends 40 grains.This gun is way too heavy to only shoot 40 grains. The 1860 is much more comfortable if you don't want to lug around a heavy gun. If you do feel like carrying a brick then make it worth your while and get a Walker. It originally was made to hold 60 grains. I am shooting a Sharps 45-70 rifle loaded with 62 grains! The Walker was the most powerful handgun in the world until the .357 magnum came out. The Dragoon got a cap caught under the cylinder and scratched it; I would sell this gun if that hadn't happened The Walker doesn't care about spent caps. With the Dragoon, if the wedge isn't in EXACTLY right, either the cylinder binds and won't turn or the hammer doesn't strike the cap hard enough to fire it. It has to be EXACTLY right. The action just felt rough. The Walker is smooth and a pleasure to shoot.. not so the Dragoon. I cleaned the Dragoon and put it back in the safe. I will be shooting the Walker from now on.

February 9, 2017, 11:42 PM	#23
45 Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2013 Posts: 657	Fogman, There's a fix for that. . . . . . Lol Mike www.goonsgunworks.com Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks