Reloder 17 & 30-06?

velocette · October 22, 2014, 09:23 AM

Anyone done load workups using Reloder 17? I have the data from Alliant for the maximum charge behind a 168 HPBT @ 56 gr & 2850 fps from a 22" barrel.
The powder is so new that it is not in any of my reloading data books.
I was interested if anyone had any data for lesser charges. Sadly I have no Chrono so I cannot do this myself. My rifle is a bolt gun with 24" barrel.

Roger

Doyle · October 22, 2014, 09:54 AM

When I used to have access to a friend's computer with Quickload on it, I saw that it has loads for RL-17 in 30-06. Sadly, no more access though.

TimSr · October 22, 2014, 01:39 PM

I got some for 30-06 when I couldn't find IMR4350. I contacted Alliant, and they told me to reference IMR4350 load data. I'll check when I get home for the charges I used, but I think I loaded 147gr 150gr bullets with it for 30.06, .308, and 8mm Mauser. I know the Mauser loads were very light.

T. O'Heir · October 22, 2014, 02:51 PM

You'll gain a bit of velocity with the longer barrel, but not enough to make a bunch of difference. Just reduce the 56 grains by 10% and work up.
Velocity is not as important as accuracy. Reloder 17 isn't that new either. It was new in 2007.

RC20 · October 23, 2014, 10:58 PM

I am using it exclusively for my 1903 Mil Surplus rifle (Sporters)

I was using 168s and now 175s.

Hornady shows the load in the 165 to 168 gr bullets from 48.1 to 54.1 (always check the data!)

Hornady is being more conservative than the powder people, others have really pushed this powder envelope wise in the 600+ yard shooting segment. they also get erratic pressure issues in cold temps as I recall.

Not something I would do.

I have seen very good accuracy in the 51 gr area with 175 gr HPBT. It does seem to smoke the necks a bit more, my guess is it does not have the pressure snap/peak 4350 and the like do as it’s a more progressive powder building pressure peak a bit slower.

Sierra does not show it at all nor any other manual I have looked at so far.

std7mag · October 24, 2014, 07:03 PM

You might want to check with Alliant's web site, or the site for the bullet manufacturer. They may have it listed.

std7mag · October 25, 2014, 12:09 PM

I took a look through my Alliant Powder manual. (recomendation?)..

They are showing many loads for the 30-06 with Reloader 17.

Stop by your local gun shop, and ask if they have one. Got mine for free.

PS...

The loads listed in Alliant's book are Max Powder Charge only. Drop it down 10% and start from there...

old roper · October 25, 2014, 03:40 PM

Berger manual has loading data for 30-06 using their 168gr bullet.
Start load 49gr/R-17 @ 2608fps max 54.4gr/R-17 @ 2782fps and test barrel was 26" long.

I tried R-17 in one of my 30-06 back in 2009 didn't have much luck with it using 168gr or 180gr bullets. Since I got Berger manual been shooting few 185gr VLD in the 30-06 using R-17 so far accuracy is pretty good velocity low 2700fps.

I've had pretty good luck with R-17 in 284,280AI and 270 using Berger data and bullets

std7mag · October 26, 2014, 11:05 AM

Seems like RL17 does well in the shorter(308 class) cases.

They have a listing for the 7mm Rem Mag, but lets face it, I'm not going to a faster burning powder than RL19 in that.

I use it for my 7mm-08, but only for bullets weighing less than 139gr. Otherwise I'm using RL19.

**Unclenick** · October 26, 2014, 11:19 AM

Velocette,

All Alliant load data are maximum charges. You knock them down 10% to find the starting load needed. If you download their PDF version of their load data, it says that somewhere. (Edit: On page 8 of the 2013 manual, it is the first item under "WARNING! Be sure to:".)

10% drop in charge corresponds to about 20% drop in peak pressure for most rifle powders and loads (sometimes a little more) and that is enough to make them safe for a different gun and using different brass and primers. I generally work up from there for best accuracy and just stop there rather than trying to reach that maximum, as shot placement matters more than exact impact velocity in the majority of situations.

October 22, 2014, 09:23 AM	#1
velocette Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 924	Reloder 17 & 30-06? Anyone done load workups using Reloder 17? I have the data from Alliant for the maximum charge behind a 168 HPBT @ 56 gr & 2850 fps from a 22" barrel. The powder is so new that it is not in any of my reloading data books. I was interested if anyone had any data for lesser charges. Sadly I have no Chrono so I cannot do this myself. My rifle is a bolt gun with 24" barrel. Roger __________________ Trigger control + Breath control + Sight alignment = Gun Control. http://www.hrpclub.info/ NRA Smallbore Prone Master, High Power Master

October 25, 2014, 03:40 PM	#8
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 2,164	Berger manual has loading data for 30-06 using their 168gr bullet. Start load 49gr/R-17 @ 2608fps max 54.4gr/R-17 @ 2782fps and test barrel was 26" long. I tried R-17 in one of my 30-06 back in 2009 didn't have much luck with it using 168gr or 180gr bullets. Since I got Berger manual been shooting few 185gr VLD in the 30-06 using R-17 so far accuracy is pretty good velocity low 2700fps. I've had pretty good luck with R-17 in 284,280AI and 270 using Berger data and bullets __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam 1965 VFW Life member NRA Life Member

October 26, 2014, 11:19 AM	#10
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,742	Velocette, All Alliant load data are maximum charges. You knock them down 10% to find the starting load needed. If you download their PDF version of their load data, it says that somewhere. (Edit: On page 8 of the 2013 manual, it is the first item under "WARNING! Be sure to:".) 10% drop in charge corresponds to about 20% drop in peak pressure for most rifle powders and loads (sometimes a little more) and that is enough to make them safe for a different gun and using different brass and primers. I generally work up from there for best accuracy and just stop there rather than trying to reach that maximum, as shot placement matters more than exact impact velocity in the majority of situations. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

October 22, 2014, 09:54 AM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	When I used to have access to a friend's computer with Quickload on it, I saw that it has loads for RL-17 in 30-06. Sadly, no more access though.

October 22, 2014, 01:39 PM	#3
TimSr Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2013 Location: Rittman, Ohio Posts: 2,074	I got some for 30-06 when I couldn't find IMR4350. I contacted Alliant, and they told me to reference IMR4350 load data. I'll check when I get home for the charges I used, but I think I loaded 147gr 150gr bullets with it for 30.06, .308, and 8mm Mauser. I know the Mauser loads were very light.

October 22, 2014, 02:51 PM	#4
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	You'll gain a bit of velocity with the longer barrel, but not enough to make a bunch of difference. Just reduce the 56 grains by 10% and work up. Velocity is not as important as accuracy. Reloder 17 isn't that new either. It was new in 2007.

October 23, 2014, 10:58 PM	#5
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,334	I am using it exclusively for my 1903 Mil Surplus rifle (Sporters) I was using 168s and now 175s. Hornady shows the load in the 165 to 168 gr bullets from 48.1 to 54.1 (always check the data!) Hornady is being more conservative than the powder people, others have really pushed this powder envelope wise in the 600+ yard shooting segment. they also get erratic pressure issues in cold temps as I recall. Not something I would do. I have seen very good accuracy in the 51 gr area with 175 gr HPBT. It does seem to smoke the necks a bit more, my guess is it does not have the pressure snap/peak 4350 and the like do as it’s a more progressive powder building pressure peak a bit slower. Sierra does not show it at all nor any other manual I have looked at so far.

October 24, 2014, 07:03 PM	#6
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,611	You might want to check with Alliant's web site, or the site for the bullet manufacturer. They may have it listed.

October 25, 2014, 12:09 PM	#7
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,611	I took a look through my Alliant Powder manual. (recomendation?).. They are showing many loads for the 30-06 with Reloader 17. Stop by your local gun shop, and ask if they have one. Got mine for free. PS... The loads listed in Alliant's book are Max Powder Charge only. Drop it down 10% and start from there...

October 26, 2014, 11:05 AM	#9
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,611	Seems like RL17 does well in the shorter(308 class) cases. They have a listing for the 7mm Rem Mag, but lets face it, I'm not going to a faster burning powder than RL19 in that. I use it for my 7mm-08, but only for bullets weighing less than 139gr. Otherwise I'm using RL19.