OK Teenager Kills Intruder

thallub · January 2, 2012, 08:38 AM

An Oklahoma teenage mom was attacked by an intruder who broke into her home. The guy was armed with a 12" butcher knife. She shot the perp dead.

http://www.koco.com/news/30114963/detail.html

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BLANCHARD, Okla. -- .......................................................................

Sarah McKinley was at home with her baby son when, police said, Justin Martin broke into her home and pursued her with a 12-inch knife.

She shot and killed Martin.

Another man, Dustin Stewart, was arrested in connection with the break-in.

tlm225 · January 2, 2012, 08:51 AM

Maybe the coroner will rule this one a natural death.

hogdogs · January 2, 2012, 09:52 AM

Love her last statement... Sounds like our own "Cornered Cat" Pax...

"Nothin' more dangerous than a momma with her baby..."

Or some similar verbiage...

Brent

Mr Dish · January 2, 2012, 10:57 AM

Thats the way a True American does it. On the phone for 20 minutes waiting for the 'authorities to come and protect her' wasn't cutting it so she did what wat necessary. Her son is going to be very proud of her as he grows older. She gave him life and then protected his life again. GOOD FOR HER.

MTT TL · January 2, 2012, 10:59 AM

This reads much better than "Teenage Mother Raped and Killed by Unknown Intruders".

Alaska444 · January 2, 2012, 02:54 PM

Sad occurrence taking a life but completely justified. Glad she knew how to use the 12 ga. The pistol may not have stopped the creep fast enough. She did everything correctly.

Great police response!! NOT!!

TheGoldenState · January 2, 2012, 02:59 PM

Great.

Question,

If she (or any person under 21) were to use a parents pistol in a home/self defense situation like this, would there be any type of backlash?

They didn't say what happened to bad guy #2.

Young.Gun.612 · January 2, 2012, 03:12 PM

In many states you can be given a pistol as a gift under the age of 21. So unless possession of a handgun by a person under 21 is expressly forbidden I don't see a problem.

Technosavant · January 2, 2012, 03:38 PM

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If she (or any person under 21) were to use a parents pistol in a home/self defense situation like this, would there be any type of backlash?

I imagine it could run afoul of "safe storage" laws like those in California, but I am not even certain how that law is written. If the requirement is to keep it secured from people of an age of X and below, if the teenager is at or below age X, there might be a problem if the authorities want to make one. I could certainly be wrong though.

nate45 · January 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

Speaking of the number 21, I don't know how accurate the info is but, some of the facebook commentaries at the bottom of the story are saying it took police 21 minutes to arrive. Lucky she wasn't of the I don't need a gun the police will save me mindset.

Alaska444 · January 2, 2012, 04:49 PM

Hmm, she is married and widowed, living independently and a mother. Sounds pretty much like an adult in every manner. I believe the headline is misleading. This is not just a kid, she is an adult in any manner you would note and did a very adult action protecting her child in a level headed manner. Mother, wife, widow, emancipated. Sorry, she sure seems like an adult to me.

TheGoldenState · January 2, 2012, 04:51 PM

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Hmm, she is married and widowed, living independently and a mother. Sounds pretty much like an adult in every manner. I believe the headline is misleading. This is not just a kid, she is an adult in any manner you would note and did a very adult action protecting her child in a level headed manner. Mother, wife, widow, emancipated. Sorry, she sure seems like an adult to me.

She is 18, she is legally (and literally as you pointed out) an adult. Technically she also falls into the "teen" category for another year.

hermannr · January 2, 2012, 05:20 PM

OK has some really goofy gun laws as pertain to a minor (under 18) and pistols, but this young lady should be fine

thallub · January 2, 2012, 05:40 PM

Blanchard, OK lies in two rural counties; Grady and McClain.

Relying on the police for protection in rural OK can get you killed graveyard dead. One must be able to take care of problems as they arise. The county i live in is larger than Rhode Island. There are two deputies on duty after normal working hours. One patrols in the eastern half of the county, the other in the west. It may be a long time before a deputy arrives.

kraigwy · January 2, 2012, 06:03 PM

Poor young lady just lost her husband on Christmas to cancer. She didn't need this.

She done good, but unless you live in a wierd state, there is no law that says a 18 yard old can't have even a handgun in her home or the home of her parents.

In Wyoming, you always see kids driving around with rifles in the gun rack of their pickups.

jgcoastie · January 2, 2012, 06:08 PM

Glad she and her baby are okay.

Terrible circumstances in this story, all around.

Poor lass had been through enough without them two chuckleheads attempting to do her and her baby harm. One of the perps got what they deserved.

This comment (paraphrased) made me chuckle in spite of the tragedy of the events: "I was on the phone with 911 and they told me I couldn't shoot 'em 'til they came through the door."

C0untZer0 · January 2, 2012, 06:14 PM

The three things that stick out for me is

1) I'm wondering what her German Shepherd was doing? I've had German Shepherds my whole life and they have always been great gaurd dog. We had a guy try to break into our house when my dad was on a business trip and my Shepherd tried to rip his throat out through the screen door - the screen saved him actually.

But even if that dog was a big coward (which I doubt), the dog must have been barking. What does that tell you about the attackers?

2) Another example of 12ga one shot stop. When people on this forum talk about what is the best HD weapon, people invariably mention the shotgun, but when there are threads about "which weapon is your goto gun" or similar titles - a lot of people mention everything from their Kel-Tecs, and Glocks to .44 magnums. I would just think the shotgun would be THE goto home defense weapon except for some rare cases.

3) Another example of how a DGU ultimately results in no criminal at large in the end.

jimbob86 · January 2, 2012, 06:37 PM

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OK has some really goofy gun laws as pertain to a minor (under 18) and pistols, but this young lady should be fine

What is goofy about them?

Standing Wolf · January 2, 2012, 09:09 PM

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1) I'm wondering what her German Shepherd was doing?

A friend had a German shepherd that was loud, but chicken-hearted. He moved to Chicago after school, and lived in a second-story apartment with a walkway along the front. One day, some self-appointed genius tried to open the door with a screw driver. The dog bark-bark-barked up a storm, (probably from under a chair.) The self-appointed genius reared back, somehow fell over the walkway railing, and ended up with broken bones in the parking lot below. My friend arrived home from work just as the police were completing the investigation. The dog had been barking its head off the whole while, of course, but would no more have attacked an intruder than have played a few hands of poker with him.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 2, 2012, 10:49 PM

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They didn't say what happened to bad guy #2.

The article I read did. Perp #2 (who was in his mid-20s) ran away, called his mommy and daddy, and they drove him to the police station where he turned himself in.

The article I read said the German shepherds had been killed previously, and there was a suggestion that "the authorities" might think the dogs were killed to clear the way for the home invasion.

Dwight55 · January 2, 2012, 11:02 PM

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Sarah McKinley was at home with her baby son when, police said, Justin Martin broke into her home and pursued her with a 12-inch knife.

She shot and killed Martin.

That's a good story to start out the year with, . . . glad she had what it takes to protect herself.

May God bless,
Dwight

jimpeel · January 3, 2012, 06:12 PM

In the video a firearms law attorney states that she was well within her rights to kill the intruder. She called the PD and told them to hurry as they were kicking down the door. At the point the guy kicked it in and entered, she shot him and his accomplice ran off (likely happy he was not the first one through the door).

VIDEO LINK

nate45 · January 3, 2012, 06:21 PM

Bless her heart, I hate she had to go through that. At least she didn't have to go through the alternative.

mehavey · January 3, 2012, 06:32 PM

There's a lot more to this than simple home invasion.

http://www.newson6.com/story/1642721...-home-invasion

Read all the comments going back & forth on the circumstances and lead-in.

MLeake · January 3, 2012, 07:16 PM

I think this is a duplicate of the "Oklahoma Teenager" thread.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473739

January 2, 2012, 10:57 AM	#4
Mr Dish Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2009 Location: Shepherd, MI Posts: 128	Thats the way a True American does it. On the phone for 20 minutes waiting for the 'authorities to come and protect her' wasn't cutting it so she did what wat necessary. Her son is going to be very proud of her as he grows older. She gave him life and then protected his life again. GOOD FOR HER. __________________ Vote Libertarian or QUIT COMPLAINING!

January 2, 2012, 10:59 AM	#5
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	This reads much better than "Teenage Mother Raped and Killed by Unknown Intruders". __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

January 2, 2012, 02:59 PM	#7
TheGoldenState Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2010 Posts: 1,191	Great. Question, If she (or any person under 21) were to use a parents pistol in a home/self defense situation like this, would there be any type of backlash? They didn't say what happened to bad guy #2. __________________ The Day You Get Comfortable Is The Day You Get Careless...

January 2, 2012, 03:55 PM	#10
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	Speaking of the number 21, I don't know how accurate the info is but, some of the facebook commentaries at the bottom of the story are saying it took police 21 minutes to arrive. Lucky she wasn't of the I don't need a gun the police will save me mindset. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

January 2, 2012, 06:03 PM	#15
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Poor young lady just lost her husband on Christmas to cancer. She didn't need this. She done good, but unless you live in a wierd state, there is no law that says a 18 yard old can't have even a handgun in her home or the home of her parents. In Wyoming, you always see kids driving around with rifles in the gun rack of their pickups. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

January 2, 2012, 08:51 AM	#2
tlm225 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 962	Maybe the coroner will rule this one a natural death. __________________ All that is neccessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

January 2, 2012, 09:52 AM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Love her last statement... Sounds like our own "Cornered Cat" Pax... "Nothin' more dangerous than a momma with her baby..." Or some similar verbiage... Brent

January 2, 2012, 02:54 PM	#6
Alaska444 Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2010 Posts: 1,231	Sad occurrence taking a life but completely justified. Glad she knew how to use the 12 ga. The pistol may not have stopped the creep fast enough. She did everything correctly. Great police response!! NOT!!

January 2, 2012, 03:12 PM	#8
Young.Gun.612 Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 400	In many states you can be given a pistol as a gift under the age of 21. So unless possession of a handgun by a person under 21 is expressly forbidden I don't see a problem.

January 2, 2012, 04:49 PM	#11
Alaska444 Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2010 Posts: 1,231	Hmm, she is married and widowed, living independently and a mother. Sounds pretty much like an adult in every manner. I believe the headline is misleading. This is not just a kid, she is an adult in any manner you would note and did a very adult action protecting her child in a level headed manner. Mother, wife, widow, emancipated. Sorry, she sure seems like an adult to me.

January 2, 2012, 05:20 PM	#13
hermannr Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2011 Posts: 730	OK has some really goofy gun laws as pertain to a minor (under 18) and pistols, but this young lady should be fine

January 2, 2012, 05:40 PM	#14
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Blanchard, OK lies in two rural counties; Grady and McClain. Relying on the police for protection in rural OK can get you killed graveyard dead. One must be able to take care of problems as they arise. The county i live in is larger than Rhode Island. There are two deputies on duty after normal working hours. One patrols in the eastern half of the county, the other in the west. It may be a long time before a deputy arrives.

January 2, 2012, 06:08 PM	#16
jgcoastie Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 2,118	Glad she and her baby are okay. Terrible circumstances in this story, all around. Poor lass had been through enough without them two chuckleheads attempting to do her and her baby harm. One of the perps got what they deserved. This comment (paraphrased) made me chuckle in spite of the tragedy of the events: "I was on the phone with 911 and they told me I couldn't shoot 'em 'til they came through the door." __________________ "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.

January 2, 2012, 06:14 PM	#17
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	The three things that stick out for me is 1) I'm wondering what her German Shepherd was doing? I've had German Shepherds my whole life and they have always been great gaurd dog. We had a guy try to break into our house when my dad was on a business trip and my Shepherd tried to rip his throat out through the screen door - the screen saved him actually. But even if that dog was a big coward (which I doubt), the dog must have been barking. What does that tell you about the attackers? 2) Another example of 12ga one shot stop. When people on this forum talk about what is the best HD weapon, people invariably mention the shotgun, but when there are threads about "which weapon is your goto gun" or similar titles - a lot of people mention everything from their Kel-Tecs, and Glocks to .44 magnums. I would just think the shotgun would be *THE* goto home defense weapon except for some rare cases. 3) Another example of how a DGU ultimately results in no criminal at large in the end.

January 3, 2012, 06:12 PM	#22
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	OK woman shoots, kills, intruder In the video a firearms law attorney states that she was well within her rights to kill the intruder. She called the PD and told them to hurry as they were kicking down the door. At the point the guy kicked it in and entered, she shot him and his accomplice ran off (likely happy he was not the first one through the door). VIDEO LINK __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

January 3, 2012, 06:21 PM	#23
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	Bless her heart, I hate she had to go through that. At least she didn't have to go through the alternative. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

January 3, 2012, 06:32 PM	#24
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,897	There's a lot more to this than simple home invasion. http://www.newson6.com/story/1642721...-home-invasion Read all the comments going back & forth on the circumstances and lead-in.

January 3, 2012, 07:16 PM	#25
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	I think this is a duplicate of the "Oklahoma Teenager" thread. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473739