30/40 Krag load question???

aarhunt · August 23, 2011, 09:02 PM

I was wondering if anyone had a load for a 190gr Hornaday BTHP????? the imr site has loads for 180gr and 200gr bullet. The powders i would like to use are h4895,imr4895, imr4064, imr4350 and h4350.But i will use something else if need be.Also is it possiable that since 190gr is in between 180 and 200gr can i use either of those loads for the 190gr????

WIL TERRY · August 23, 2011, 09:56 PM

YES ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, and I have done just that with such bullets in both my Krag rifle and carbine. This is WHY god invented calculators.

FrankenMauser · August 23, 2011, 11:04 PM

Start with data for a similar 200 grain bullet, and work up slowly. Hodgdon's data for the Sierra 200 gr BTSP would probably work well. You'll have to determine your own overall length.

Ideal Tool · August 24, 2011, 12:31 AM

Hello, Just wonderin, why you would need a BT in a Krag?

FrankenMauser · August 24, 2011, 01:30 AM

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Hello, Just wonderin, why you would need a BT in a Krag?

I was thinking the same thing, but .30-40 Krag seems to be more popular in Ruger #1s, today, than surplus rifles.

I was going to suggest avoiding spitzers in an old Krag, but if it's a modern rifle, it doesn't matter.

aarhunt · August 24, 2011, 10:25 PM

how come it should be avoided useing BTSP in an old krag?

FrankenMauser · August 25, 2011, 02:07 AM

The old Krags have long throats (often made longer by erosion). Using spitzers usually results in poor accuracy, and can cause funky pressure issues.

Ideal Tool · August 25, 2011, 07:31 PM

Hello, aarhunt. About using BT in Krag...just about every year before whitetail deer season, you'll hear guys in the gunshops ask for such and such a bullet..and of course they insist on boatails..I think the gunzines have them brainwashed into thinking they need them...now in Michigan, most shots in the woods anyway are way under 100yds. No harm in using them in the Krag...But, Your just wasting your money if shooting under at least 300yds.

aarhunt · August 26, 2011, 06:06 AM

OK i see

Thanks guys for the info!!!

Maxem0815 · August 26, 2011, 06:14 AM

Yes you can use a 190 in a 30-49 Krrag I have been using them for years Lyman book has load info for the 190.
Mace

aarhunt · August 26, 2011, 02:48 PM

Maxem0815 Could i possiably get that load data from you for the 190gr bullet??? i dont have a Lyman book

aarhunt · August 27, 2011, 08:39 AM

bump

bdwmsu · August 28, 2011, 02:24 PM

Guys,

I have M1898 cut down with a what I believe is a Redfield Model70 sight (micrometer adjustment, mounted in place of the magazine cut-off). My concern is that I may have reinstalled it incorrectly as I had to adjust it off the elevation scale to zero it at 100 yds.

In other words... help!!

FrankenMauser · August 28, 2011, 03:34 PM

The Redfield sights are designed to work with the original front sight. If you didn't adjust the front sight height when you cut down your barrel, you'll have to do so to make the peep work with your existing set up.

bdwmsu · August 28, 2011, 06:04 PM

I didn't do the cut down or install the sight originally, so I have no idea if it was done. What's the procedure for altering the front sight blade and is there a way to tell if it's been done already (other than having an other sight blade around)?

FrankenMauser · August 28, 2011, 09:01 PM

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I didn't do the cut down or install the sight originally, so I have no idea if it was done. What's the procedure for altering the front sight blade and is there a way to tell if it's been done already (other than having an other sight blade around)?

Start a thread about this issue in the Gunsmithing forum. You'll get more responses, and they'll be more detailed.

It will help, if you can get pictures of what you're working with. Of particular interest, would be: Front sight, rear sight, and overall view of the whole rifle. (Post them in the new thread, in the Gunsmithing forum.) Also provide a more detailed description of which way your adjusted the sight, and where you were hitting before the adjustments (high, low, how far, etc).

bdwmsu · August 30, 2011, 08:05 AM

Frank - Thanks much, I just opened the thread, no pictures yet, I'll get those up soon.

August 23, 2011, 11:04 PM	#3
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,774	Start with data for a similar 200 grain bullet, and work up slowly. Hodgdon's data for the Sierra 200 gr BTSP would probably work well. You'll have to determine your own overall length. __________________ -Unwilling Range Officer -Unwilling Match Designer -NRL22/PRS22/PRO -Something about broccoli and carrots

August 25, 2011, 02:07 AM	#7
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,774	The old Krags have long throats (often made longer by erosion). Using spitzers usually results in poor accuracy, and can cause funky pressure issues. __________________ -Unwilling Range Officer -Unwilling Match Designer -NRL22/PRS22/PRO -Something about broccoli and carrots

August 28, 2011, 02:24 PM	#13
bdwmsu Junior Member Join Date: August 28, 2011 Posts: 5	redfield sight issues Guys, I have M1898 cut down with a what I believe is a Redfield Model70 sight (micrometer adjustment, mounted in place of the magazine cut-off). My concern is that I may have reinstalled it incorrectly as I had to adjust it off the elevation scale to zero it at 100 yds. In other words... help!!

August 28, 2011, 03:34 PM	#14
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,774	The Redfield sights are designed to work with the original front sight. If you didn't adjust the front sight height when you cut down your barrel, you'll have to do so to make the peep work with your existing set up. __________________ -Unwilling Range Officer -Unwilling Match Designer -NRL22/PRS22/PRO -Something about broccoli and carrots

August 23, 2011, 09:02 PM	#1
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	30/40 Krag load question??? I was wondering if anyone had a load for a 190gr Hornaday BTHP????? the imr site has loads for 180gr and 200gr bullet. The powders i would like to use are h4895,imr4895, imr4064, imr4350 and h4350.But i will use something else if need be.Also is it possiable that since 190gr is in between 180 and 200gr can i use either of those loads for the 190gr????

August 23, 2011, 09:56 PM	#2
WIL TERRY Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2000 Location: BLACK HILLS Posts: 1,322	YES ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, and I have done just that with such bullets in both my Krag rifle and carbine. This is WHY god invented calculators.

August 24, 2011, 12:31 AM	#4
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Hello, Just wonderin, why you would need a BT in a Krag?

August 24, 2011, 10:25 PM	#6
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	how come it should be avoided useing BTSP in an old krag?

August 25, 2011, 07:31 PM	#8
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Hello, aarhunt. About using BT in Krag...just about every year before whitetail deer season, you'll hear guys in the gunshops ask for such and such a bullet..and of course they insist on boatails..I think the gunzines have them brainwashed into thinking they need them...now in Michigan, most shots in the woods anyway are way under 100yds. No harm in using them in the Krag...But, Your just wasting your money if shooting under at least 300yds.

August 26, 2011, 06:06 AM	#9
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	OK i see Thanks guys for the info!!!

August 26, 2011, 06:14 AM	#10
Maxem0815 Junior member Join Date: May 23, 2011 Posts: 216	Yes you can use a 190 in a 30-49 Krrag I have been using them for years Lyman book has load info for the 190. Mace

August 26, 2011, 02:48 PM	#11
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	Maxem0815 Could i possiably get that load data from you for the 190gr bullet??? i dont have a Lyman book

August 27, 2011, 08:39 AM	#12
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	bump

August 28, 2011, 06:04 PM	#15
bdwmsu Junior Member Join Date: August 28, 2011 Posts: 5	I didn't do the cut down or install the sight originally, so I have no idea if it was done. What's the procedure for altering the front sight blade and is there a way to tell if it's been done already (other than having an other sight blade around)?

August 30, 2011, 08:05 AM	#17
bdwmsu Junior Member Join Date: August 28, 2011 Posts: 5	Frank - Thanks much, I just opened the thread, no pictures yet, I'll get those up soon.