Remington Model 14

ngalgon · June 21, 2011, 01:47 PM

I just acquired a remington model 14 in .35 remington. Any suggestions for ammo? I would like to use it for hunting whitetail and bear.
Thanks

**Mike Irwin** · June 21, 2011, 04:22 PM

Unfortunately, the .35 Remington is one of those cartridges for which there's not a lot of variation unless you reload.

It's not nearly as popular as it used to be, so loads of the past aren't available anymore.

Remington loads a 150 and 200 gr. Core Lokt bullets. Skip the 150. These short bullets are already handicapped, so you need the extra weight, in my opinion.

Winchester and Federal only load 200 gr. bullets.

Stick with the 200s, and just see which one shoots best in your gun.

If you reload, at one time there used to be loading data for 220-gr. and 250-gr. bullets for the .35 Remington. It's tough to find now.

Speer used to offer the data for the 220-gr. bullet, try them.

Word of warning.

NEVER use pointed bullets in your Model 14, only round nose or flat point.

EDIT IN

OK, Speer still offers the 220-gr. round nose flat point, which is suitable for use in your Model 14. I don't know if they still offer the loading data.

oneoldsap · June 21, 2011, 05:19 PM

Do yourself a big favor , and get some Hornady LeverEvolution 200 Gr. Ammo ! If your model 14 is anything like my 141 your search for a factory load will be over . Your model 14 can safely shoot pointed bullets , because of Mr. Pedersen's Magazine design , which staggers the rounds in the magazine . Pointed Bullets extend the effective range of the .35 Rem. by at least 50 Yards ! It's a fun Cartridge and Gun to load for ! Mike Irwin you are incorrect about your pointed Bullet Caveat and the Rem Pumps !

Abel · June 21, 2011, 06:42 PM

As with any rifle, try different ammo until you find what your particular rifle groups the best. The 35 Rem. with 200 grain bullets is devastating. I have killed my last three deer with 35 remington corelokt 200 grain factory ammo out of my marlin 336. All were killed cleanly, from 45-105 yards. Here is a video of a guy killing four hogs with two shots from a 35 Rem.:

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/vi...hp?f=1&t=31944

oneoldsap · June 21, 2011, 07:02 PM

That sure sounds like a Bolt action to me !

model18 · June 21, 2011, 07:35 PM

Pic of my friend shooting my model 14 (circa 1929) The 200 gr. are good factory rds. I used to reload 180 gr. and they were one shot kills on every deer ever dropped with the .35. I suppose the Hornady Lever ammo is fine too, although I've never shot any. The 'ole pump action .35 will serve you well on pig hunts, as well.

Abel · June 21, 2011, 10:06 PM

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That sure sounds like a Bolt action to me !

I thought it sounded exactly like my 336 in report & in the lever working.

**Mike Irwin** · June 21, 2011, 10:28 PM

"Mike Irwin you are incorrect about your pointed Bullet Caveat and the Rem Pumps !"

Dang. I thought I could make it to October this year before I was wrong about something...

I'd forgotten totally about the spiral magazine tube.

**44 AMP** · June 22, 2011, 12:56 AM

While the paper ballistics don't show it, the field performance of the .35 Remington puts it just short of the hammer of Thor, if you put the bullet in the right place.

Stick with factory loads, or handload equivalents. DO NOT try to make the gun a magnum. IF you want that, get something else, like a .358 Win or best of all (if you can take the recoil) a .350 Rem Mag.

Way back when, Remington and Winchester comepted with very similar rounds in .25, .30, & .32 calibers. Winchesters were rimmed, and Remington's rimless. The exception was the .35 Rem, for which there was no direct Winchester competitor until decades later when the .358 came along.

The .35 Rem survived, and the others didn't, because Marlin chambered their 336 in it, offering a bigger stick than the Win 94.

You've got a fine woods deer/black bear gun there, and I wouldn't feel undergunned on moose or elk at close range. Enjoy it!

bamaranger · June 22, 2011, 01:03 AM

The old Rem pumps, 14 and 141, are grand rifles and great examples of old school gunmaking. Many come out of PA like yours. In my family, the Rem 14 or 141 in .35 was the holy grail of deer rifles, greatly revered.

Watch the wrist of the stock, at the pistol grip. Many in .35 will crack, I suspect from recoil over long use. There is a suprising amount of mechanism working just at the rear of the receiver and it is the rifles )design) achilles heel so to speak.

Running a tight and well maintained 14 or 141 needs to be experienced.
The pump overcomes the hammer resistance, and the bolt then slams to the rear and forward like on ball bearings, locking up like a bank vault.

An old 14 like that coming out of PA has likely been on a lot of hunts, wish they could talk. I have its middle brother, a Rem 14 in .30 Rem, MY first deer rifle.

**Mike Irwin** · June 22, 2011, 07:07 AM

"Many come out of PA like yours."

Yep. Pennsylvania doesn't (as far as I know) allow semi-autos for deer hunting. At my hunting camp in the 1970s and 1980s at least 1/3rd of the people there had Remington pumps of one flavor or another.

model18 · June 22, 2011, 08:15 AM

Funny thing is my gun was from PA, also. Purchased by my grandfather in '29.
He told me it was the ultimate "woods" gun of its time for the forests of the Northeast.

oneoldsap · June 22, 2011, 10:05 PM

Whatever Abel , that video has been around a while . The first time I saw it the gun was supposedly a 7RM . But hey it's your Story !

Abel · June 22, 2011, 10:57 PM

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Whatever Abel , that video has been around a while . The first time I saw it the gun was supposedly a 7RM . But hey it's your Story !

Its clearly a 336 in 35 Remmy. I'm not sure that you could convince me otherwise unless you produced another dated forum post where the video was posted as a 7 Mag bolt action kill, as you claim, by the person claiming to have done the shooting. I don't believe that you can provide said post. If I am wrong, please post a link.

roklok · June 23, 2011, 06:08 PM

I have got a Remington 141 in .35 Remington, just an awesome rifle from back when guns were made of solid steel and walnut. I use 200 grain Rem Core-Lokts in mine.

As far as the video..........in my opinion that is a bolt action, if you listen closely to the sound of the action working, you can hear 4 distinct sounds with each cycle of the action, as in the bolt being lifted, retracted, pushed forward, and closed. My 336 does not sound anything like that, just a fluid "two syllable" sound.

Abel · June 23, 2011, 08:09 PM

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you can hear 4 distinct sounds with each cycle of the action, as in the bolt being lifted, retracted, pushed forward, and closed.

Yes, the 14 & 141 in 35 Rem. is a great hog killer!

bamaranger · June 23, 2011, 10:56 PM

While I'm at it, the load of the day, way back when, for my clan, was the WW 200 gr Silvertip, the original sexy bullet.

ngalgon · August 6, 2011, 12:05 AM

Thanks and PA doesn't allow semi-auto rifles for hunting

plumbernater · August 6, 2011, 12:23 AM

Some of us old marlin owners have had or still have a 35. They are a nice round for what it was designed for, pretty much like the 30-30, just a little more lead, range pretty much the same. Packs a good punch in 100 yards

June 21, 2011, 01:47 PM	#1
ngalgon Member Join Date: February 16, 2010 Location: Hazleton, PA Posts: 16	Remington Model 14 I just acquired a remington model 14 in .35 remington. Any suggestions for ammo? I would like to use it for hunting whitetail and bear. Thanks

June 21, 2011, 04:22 PM	#2
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	Unfortunately, the .35 Remington is one of those cartridges for which there's not a lot of variation unless you reload. It's not nearly as popular as it used to be, so loads of the past aren't available anymore. Remington loads a 150 and 200 gr. Core Lokt bullets. Skip the 150. These short bullets are already handicapped, so you need the extra weight, in my opinion. Winchester and Federal only load 200 gr. bullets. Stick with the 200s, and just see which one shoots best in your gun. If you reload, at one time there used to be loading data for 220-gr. and 250-gr. bullets for the .35 Remington. It's tough to find now. Speer used to offer the data for the 220-gr. bullet, try them. Word of warning. NEVER use pointed bullets in your Model 14, only round nose or flat point. EDIT IN OK, Speer still offers the 220-gr. round nose flat point, which is suitable for use in your Model 14. I don't know if they still offer the loading data. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 21, 2011, 10:28 PM	#8
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	"Mike Irwin you are incorrect about your pointed Bullet Caveat and the Rem Pumps !" Dang. I thought I could make it to October this year before I was wrong about something... I'd forgotten totally about the spiral magazine tube. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 22, 2011, 12:56 AM	#9
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,450	While the paper ballistics don't show it, the field performance of the .35 Remington puts it just short of the hammer of Thor, if you put the bullet in the right place. Stick with factory loads, or handload equivalents. DO NOT try to make the gun a magnum. IF you want that, get something else, like a .358 Win or best of all (if you can take the recoil) a .350 Rem Mag. Way back when, Remington and Winchester comepted with very similar rounds in .25, .30, & .32 calibers. Winchesters were rimmed, and Remington's rimless. The exception was the .35 Rem, for which there was no direct Winchester competitor until decades later when the .358 came along. The .35 Rem survived, and the others didn't, because Marlin chambered their 336 in it, offering a bigger stick than the Win 94. You've got a fine woods deer/black bear gun there, and I wouldn't feel undergunned on moose or elk at close range. Enjoy it! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

June 22, 2011, 01:03 AM	#10
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,795	Rem Pumps The old Rem pumps, 14 and 141, are grand rifles and great examples of old school gunmaking. Many come out of PA like yours. In my family, the Rem 14 or 141 in .35 was the holy grail of deer rifles, greatly revered. Watch the wrist of the stock, at the pistol grip. Many in .35 will crack, I suspect from recoil over long use. There is a suprising amount of mechanism working just at the rear of the receiver and it is the rifles )design) achilles heel so to speak. Running a tight and well maintained 14 or 141 needs to be experienced. The pump overcomes the hammer resistance, and the bolt then slams to the rear and forward like on ball bearings, locking up like a bank vault. An old 14 like that coming out of PA has likely been on a lot of hunts, wish they could talk. I have its middle brother, a Rem 14 in .30 Rem, MY first deer rifle.

June 21, 2011, 05:19 PM	#3
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Do yourself a big favor , and get some Hornady LeverEvolution 200 Gr. Ammo ! If your model 14 is anything like my 141 your search for a factory load will be over . Your model 14 can safely shoot pointed bullets , because of Mr. Pedersen's Magazine design , which staggers the rounds in the magazine . Pointed Bullets extend the effective range of the .35 Rem. by at least 50 Yards ! It's a fun Cartridge and Gun to load for ! Mike Irwin you are incorrect about your pointed Bullet Caveat and the Rem Pumps !

June 21, 2011, 06:42 PM	#4
Abel Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2006 Posts: 1,161	As with any rifle, try different ammo until you find what your particular rifle groups the best. The 35 Rem. with 200 grain bullets is devastating. I have killed my last three deer with 35 remington corelokt 200 grain factory ammo out of my marlin 336. All were killed cleanly, from 45-105 yards. Here is a video of a guy killing four hogs with two shots from a 35 Rem.: http://www.levergunscommunity.com/vi...hp?f=1&t=31944

June 21, 2011, 07:02 PM	#5
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	That sure sounds like a Bolt action to me !

June 22, 2011, 07:07 AM	#11
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	"Many come out of PA like yours." Yep. Pennsylvania doesn't (as far as I know) allow semi-autos for deer hunting. At my hunting camp in the 1970s and 1980s at least 1/3rd of the people there had Remington pumps of one flavor or another. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 22, 2011, 08:15 AM	#12
model18 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2006 Posts: 419	Funny thing is my gun was from PA, also. Purchased by my grandfather in '29. He told me it was the ultimate "woods" gun of its time for the forests of the Northeast.

June 22, 2011, 10:05 PM	#13
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Whatever Abel , that video has been around a while . The first time I saw it the gun was supposedly a 7RM . But hey it's your Story !

June 23, 2011, 06:08 PM	#15
roklok Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2008 Location: Fort Yukon, Alaska Posts: 735	I have got a Remington 141 in .35 Remington, just an awesome rifle from back when guns were made of solid steel and walnut. I use 200 grain Rem Core-Lokts in mine. As far as the video..........in my opinion that is a bolt action, if you listen closely to the sound of the action working, you can hear 4 distinct sounds with each cycle of the action, as in the bolt being lifted, retracted, pushed forward, and closed. My 336 does not sound anything like that, just a fluid "two syllable" sound.

June 23, 2011, 10:56 PM	#17
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,795	Silvertips While I'm at it, the load of the day, way back when, for my clan, was the WW 200 gr Silvertip, the original sexy bullet.

August 6, 2011, 12:05 AM	#18
ngalgon Member Join Date: February 16, 2010 Location: Hazleton, PA Posts: 16	Thanks and PA doesn't allow semi-auto rifles for hunting

August 6, 2011, 12:23 AM	#19
plumbernater Senior Member Join Date: September 1, 2010 Posts: 165	Some of us old marlin owners have had or still have a 35. They are a nice round for what it was designed for, pretty much like the 30-30, just a little more lead, range pretty much the same. Packs a good punch in 100 yards