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Old September 29, 2010, 11:02 AM   #1
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Vaquero Questions Again

I've never owned or shot a Colt SAA or any of it's clones. The closest I've come is my Single Six, but it has adjustable sights. Lately I've been thinking [again] about buying a Vaquero, specifically the convertible .45 Colt / .45 ACP, and recently came across some info that gave me pause. If I read Taffin and Venturino correctly, many [most?] fixed sight single actions don't shoot to point of aim. They either shoot too high, or off to one side. The remedy seems to be filing down the front sight blade to fix the "too high" problem, or bending it to one side to correct the windage [ ] . You veteran single action guys might laugh at me for this, but the idea of grinding or bending on my gun gives me a migraine! So, my questions: Am I getting this right? Have any Vaquero owners out there actually had to do this to your gun? Thanks as always, y'all.

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Old September 29, 2010, 11:27 AM   #2
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They all shoot to a fixed point of aim with a certain bullet/load so you can reverse engineer a load that works if you reload. Most will shoot well with a 255 grain at around 900 fps. I have never had any problem with either my "Old" Vaquero or my "New" Vaquero with the above mentioned load - about 9 grains of Unique with a hard cast 255 grain SWC.
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Old September 29, 2010, 09:31 PM   #3
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I'll second what jsmortimer said. I don't own one, but one of my buddies does. We spent a weekend working up a load that shot to point of aim a couple of years ago. Windage wasn't a problem, but it took a few tries to get the elevation dialed in. I don't recall the load (I'm pretty sure it was a .44), but I do remember that we loaded up sets of ten with something like a .3 or .5 grain powder difference between them, from minimum to maximum.
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Old September 30, 2010, 06:57 PM   #4
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Well, since I don't reload, I guess I'll leave that particular Ruger alone. Thanks for the help again, guys.
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Old September 30, 2010, 07:24 PM   #5
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45 Colt Single Actions

At the present time I own seven 45Colt Ruger New Model Vaqueros and one
AWA Sheriffs Model.
All Purchased New and Shoot Point of Aim from the Mfg.
My 2 Cents: Carry the same Factory Round you Train with, and a SA will get the Job Done.

Note: My Preferred Concealed Carry is a 45LC SA
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Old October 1, 2010, 04:16 PM   #6
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FWIW, two years ago, I bought a B/CCH .45 Colt New Vaquero (new) that shot factory ammo right to the sights @ 7yds (21') - the distance I was interested in shooting it.

I've owned Ruger BH .45 convertibles (OM & NM) - which needed sight changes/correction/adj when changing cylinders/ammo.
I thought it more trouble than it was worth, and that I'd rather have two separate guns, one in .45 Colt, and a 2nd in .45ACP.

YMMV, of course.

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Old October 7, 2010, 09:12 AM   #7
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"Filing the front sight down" doesn't fix the too high problem, it makes it worse. In my experience, about 75% of the fixed sight single action revolvers I've owned in my life, and there have been a LOT of them (currently 53), were far enough off that I regulated the sights for my particular load. MOST manufacturers today are making the front sight blade tall enough that the point of impact is slightly low so the owner can take a few strokes on the top of the blade with a file and bring the point of impact up to where it needs to be. L/R is a little more time consuming, but not difficult really. On revolvers where the barrel is screwed into the frame, a set of barrel blocks can be made out of hardwood (I use oak), rosined up, the barrel clamped in the blocks in a vise, and the frame turned on or off the barrel with a frame wrench or a hardwood hammer handle through the cylinder window. It doesn't take much - it's not like the sight is going to be canted 10° off to one side or somesuch when you get it right. If you attempt to BEND the sight, you are very likely to overdo it and probably also break the solder joint and the sight will fall off.
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+1 on Jbar4Ranch recommendations. I shouldn't be hard to find a commercial round that well shoot to POA.
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Old October 8, 2010, 02:29 PM   #9
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This is not just with Rugers. I have had a Vaquero(1st model) and every other single action that I have had was the same way you hate to either
1) Modify the sight
2) Adjust your aim to hold at a certain place on the blade.
3) Adjust the load of the powder and or bullet.

AS a cowboy action shooter I am not shooting my pistols at long range or for dead center of the bullseye accuracy so I just learn where each gun shoots on the front sight and I don't even bother to file down the blade. If they shoot above the blade I just learn where to hold the alignment in respect to a given distance range.
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