Need advice on choosing an AK.

[Count Blackula]

Note: I am extremely inexperienced with firearms (only fired an 870 Express a few times before), so bear with me.

I want to buy an assault rifle (to start a hobby in firearms, and also in case the SHTF), and I've settled on the AK platform due to its ruggedness and reliability. However, I don't know whether to choose an AK-47 or AK-74. I've lurked on these forums for some information, and I also went to a local gun store and handled an AK, but I'm still not sure. I know that the 74 has less recoil, and the ammo is cheaper, but despite that, "the AK-74 nut" that worked at that local gun store said to go with the 47.

I am willing to pay a fairly high price (such as the AKs at K-VAR), so long as it is a high-quality model. Is imported 5.45x39 ammo going to dry up soon? What about the prices of spare magazines, replacement parts, etc? And once I settle on one, should there be a particular brand I should look for (such as Arsenal)? Or, am I just getting ahead of my inexperienced self in wanting an assault rifle?

Thanks for all your help.

[TGDKY]

Look for a Norinco ak-47 post ban.

[stubbicatt]

Have you shot either of the 47 or the 74? Sometimes that will help you to make a decision.

Get whichever speaks to you. Supposedly the 47 will penetrate better than the 74.

Get a few magazines, and make sure they all work in your firearm.

Spend some money on accessories, magpouches, etc.

Personally I would not purchase one without the scope rail on the left of the receiver, as I'm to an age where optics are becoming mandatory.

If you don't like your choice, you can always sell it.

[Count Blackula]

@TGDKYSER: Why would you recommend that (I'm not trying to be a prick. I'm asking an honest question)?

EDIT: @stubbicatt: No, I haven't fired either. I've just handled an AK-47 at a store.

[zombieslayer]

I used to have a pre-ban Norinco. It was the best ak-style rifle I've ever shot, I wasn't an "assault" rifle though. It was just a regular semiauto. I never assaulted anything except targets with it. the Arsenal ak's are top-notch as far as quality if you want a new one.

[SR420]

Investing in a nice pre-ban 7.62 Norinco Type 56s is a good idea.

[ghengiskhan]

AK's you find in America aren't assault rifles. Just semi-automatic rifles with a large magazine.

Get a 47 because you never know if the Russian 5.45 will be banned or some silly thing like that.
Also, 7.62 packs more punch!

I bought this because I wanted one that was put together well:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct655.aspx

And it's easily on par with my higher end rifles from companies like Marlin and Pedersoli in terms of feel and quality of parts.

[rr2241tx]

A fool and his money are soon parted, according to the English proverb.
Likewise the overeager AKM buyer ignorant of the market. There are some real turkeys out there at prices similar to the gems.

Sign up and lurk at a couple of AKM discussion boards until you know the difference between a good rifle and a good ripping off. PM me if you need help doing that. If you can, you should arrange to borrow whatever you are thinking of buying and shoot it a few times to see if you like it.

[AK103K]

I'd go the WASR route and see how you like them before dumping a lot of money into them. They tend to be on the lower end of the price spectrum, and they shoot just as well as the high end guns, and actually better than some of the US made guns.

I have or have had SAR's, WASR's, an Arsenal/Global Trades SSR-85C, and a Krebs restored Saiga, and all but the SSR-85C shot/shoot the same. As pretty as the 85C was, it was a dog of a shooter, and cost about half again what the SAR's and WASR's cost. I think youre better off with guns built/barreled in the country of origin buy the companies/factories that build them for their military.

I'd also go with 7.62x39, as its more mainstream and more likely to still be around if the 5.45x39 dries up. It may seem cheaper now, but what happens if they cut the imports off?

I think youll also find there are also a lot more accessories available for the 7.62 guns.

If you do get one, all you really need is a good sling (the Russians are the nicest and best made) and some good mags. A decent sight tool is also a plus, and its worth spending the extra money for a good one. The cheap ones are about $7-10, where the good one (B Square) is about $25.

I would avoid all the gimmick stuff as far as add ons go, they are unnecessary and often detrimental to the both you and the gun.

[raftman]

It really depends on what you like and how you plan to use it. I used to have both, and ended up keeping the 47.

One more thing to keep in mind is the cheap surplus 5.45 is corrosive, which makes very prompt and thorough cleaning more important. Non-corrosive stuff is available, (such as Silver Bear or Wolf), but on a price per round basis, costs the same as non-corrosive 7.62x39, except the latter is more widely available.

[Count Blackula]

Sign up and lurk at a couple of AKM discussion boards until you know the difference between a good rifle and a good ripping off. PM me if you need help doing that. If you can, you should arrange to borrow whatever you are thinking of buying and shoot it a few times to see if you like it.

Odds are good that I will have to buy it off the internet, as the only stores that are near me that sell rifles are Dick's, Dunham's, etc, and they sell limited varieties. Though my local gun shop does sell Century Arms AKs, but they were all WASRs.

@AK103K: I've heard that WASRs can be extremely low quality. You haven't had that sort of problem?

@raftman: I plan to use it for target practice/hobby, and whether the SHTF or not, self defense.

[AK103K]

The WASR's, and their predecessors, the SAR's are not as pretty as some of the fancier guns, but they are still usually functionally fine. The SAR's were the rifles with most of the problems early on, but even there, they were corrected for the most part. I have yet to see a WASR with canted sights or a trigger with "slap".

Accuracy wise, my WASR and SAR shoot just as well as my AK103K by Krebs with ammo they like.

Since youre new to this, it would probably be better to see if you can find someone who has something your interested in and go shoot with them. You may find that the AK isnt your cup of tea, and an AR (or something else), more to your liking. Even better, try and shoot both at the same time, so you can compare.

Keep in mind, the internet has generated two of greatest gun myths out there, those being, "the AK is inaccurate", and "the AR is unreliable". Both are far from the truth.

[Eagle Vision]

Can someone fill me on banning 5.45? I just bought an AK 74 and have been seeing it a lot.

[brian45auto]

paying big bucks for an ak is like paying big bucks for a 30 year old ford escort....with a brand new paint job.
one might look better than the other, but it's still just a 30 year old ford on the inside.
an ak is an ak.
some shoot slightly tighter groups at 100 yards than others, but i missed the memo about the national match shoot for aks. as long as i can hit a 12" circle off hand at 100 yards i'm happy...so far my crappy romanians make me happy.

[Count Blackula]

@AK103K: I don't know how I could try out an AK/AR, as I don't know anyone with them (or any other rifles), or any ranges that rent out semi-auto rifles. I just handled both inside a gun store.

[Webleymkv]

Can someone fill me on banning 5.45? I just bought an AK 74 and have been seeing it a lot.

There is currently no ban on 5.45 ammo nor are there any clear plans for one. The concern is that the vast majority of 5.45 ammo is imported. Should a ban on the importation of ammo in that caliber or from that country come about (it's happened before, that's why we can't buy Russian 7.62x25 ammo), the supply of 5.45 ammo would essentially dry up. Luckily, Hornady just began making 5.45 ammo so should its importation be banned, there is still at least one domestic source of it.

[raftman]

... that's why we can't buy Russian 7.62x25 ammo...

At the risk of going off topic. You know, just earlier today, I was wondering, why it is there was Polish surplus, Romanian, Yugoslavian, among others for 7.62 Tokarev, but not Russian. What exactly is the story behind this ban?

[TGDKY]

Count- what part of Indiana are you in? id be more than happy to let you shoot my 93 Norinco post ban. To get an idea.

[Eagle Vision]

Hornady just began making 5.45 ammo

I saw it advertised, do you know when we will be able to by some? I would like to have some quality defensive rounds.

[RT]

5.45 ammo is pretty cheap now so "buy it cheap and stack it deep".
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...39R&groupid=33
If importation did get banned, I would be very surprised if a domestic ammo maker did not start producting that ammo to fill the gap.

[RT]

I have 2 Arsenal SLR-106 Ak rifles in 5.56. I choose that caliber because of the large variety of ammo that is available. Both rifles have been trouble free, but I only use Bulgarian Circle 10 mags. I like the folding stock and the Arsenal 2 stage trigger-- the accuracy is on par with my Colt 6920.

[Count Blackula]

@TGDKYSER: I live in northern Indiana, specifically South Bend. If you live in the general area, that would be really cool/nice of you.

And what's with the Circle 10 magazines (as I've repeatedly heard that mentioned before)? Are they of a real high quality? Where could I purchase them (either a store or online)?

[raftman]

A Saiga may be a good way to go. In 7.62x39 or 5.45x39, they're available brand new for the less than just about any Century Arms equivalents, and Saigas will have superior fit and finish and the odds of getting a quality product are by far greater as these come from the same factory that's been making AK's since the day the AK was first introduced. They don't look as much like traditional AK's, but that can be changed if it really matters to you.

[AK103K]

If your looking for an AK, and want to go the Saiga route, get it restored to what it was before by one of reputable companies doing the conversions. The Saigas as they now come in in the import configuration, dont use standard AK mags, and are not as readily accessorized as even the cheapest Century gun.


I have one of the early Saiga's done by Krebs. Its one of the chopped down AK103's with a 14" barrel and welded on brake, which he calls the AK103K. Its a great gun, and he did a real nice job on the conversion.



If the fit and finish of the WASR or SAR bothers you, painting them is cheap enough.

[RT]

Magazines
http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php?c...rt_direction=0