The difference between 7.65 Parabellum and 380 acp

lbfoto · January 25, 2010, 06:02 PM

I recently came to own a V. Bernardelli Gardone V.T. Cal 7.65 Mod.60. I have been a rifle shooter all along and know virtually nothing about semi-auto pistols. My question is, what is the difference between 7.65 parabellum and 380 ACP?

Doyle · January 25, 2010, 07:16 PM

7.65 Parabellum is 7.65x21mm. .380 is only 17mm long. The 7.65 is quite a bit longer. VERY hard to get ammo for.

Doyle · January 25, 2010, 07:17 PM

Also called .30 Luger.

PSP · January 25, 2010, 07:42 PM

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I recently came to own a V. Bernardelli Gardone V.T. Cal 7.65 Mod.60.

Your Bernadelli model 60 shoots the 7.65 round also known as the .32acp or .32 Browning, not .30 Luger or 7.65 x 21.

Originally that pistol was available in .22lr, .32acp and .380acp. It's a nice gun. Use the correct ammo though. S&B and Fiocchi should work well.

troy_mclure · January 25, 2010, 10:40 PM

yep, .32acp, .32 auto, 7.65 browning. all different name for the same cartridge.

used to be fairly popular in europe as a police cartridge till the mid 90's.

i have a kel-tec p32 in .32acp as my main cary gun.

its an old design round, older even than the .45acp.

garry_99 · January 25, 2010, 11:03 PM

I always thought .380ACP was the other name for 9mm short. Isn't it?

tipoc · January 25, 2010, 11:30 PM

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I always thought .380ACP was the other name for 9mm short. Isn't it?

Yes, that's right. .380acp, 9mm short, 9mm kurtz are all the same round just different names.

7.65 x 21 is the .30 Luger.

7.65 browning, .32acp, 32 Browning those are the same round.

tipoc

Gary L. Griffiths · January 25, 2010, 11:30 PM

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I always thought .380ACP was the other name for 9mm short. Isn't it?

Yep, the .380 ACP is known as the 9mm Short, 9mm Kurtz, or 9mm Corto in Europe, depending on where you are (Kurz = German, Corto = Italian for short).

The 7.65mm Parabellum is also known as the .30 Luger. It is basically a 9mm luger necked down to 30 caliber. (Actually, IIRC, the 9mm Luger is a 7.65mm Luger blown out to 9mm.)

And to further confuse things, there is a 7.63mm Mauser and a 9mm Mauser, used in the C-96 Mauser pistol. They are both more powerful than their Luger counterparts, and are NOT interchangable.

45_Shooter · January 26, 2010, 12:52 AM

9mm rounds are a little confusing:

9x17 is .380ACP/ 9mm Kurz

9x18 is an Eastern European round chambered in Makarovs primarily

9x19 is 9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum that we all know and love

9x21 is a round designed to mimick 9x19 performance in countries that ban military calibers

9x23 Steyr is an old low pressure round rarely seen in milsurp pistols

9x23 Largo is an old Spanish round that generally performs lower than a 9x19

9x23 Winchester is dimemsionally identical to the Largo but considerably hotter loaded, a 9mm Magnum if you will

9x25 Dillon is a necked down 10mm developed for competition use

7.62/7.65mm rounds aren't much better:

7.65x17 is the .32 ACP/7.65 Browning, fairly common in pocket pistols

7.65x21 is the .30 Luger/7.65 Luger/7.65 Parabellum, developed and used in the Luger pistols

7.65x25 Borchardt is a cartridge used in an early autoloader, predating the Mauser round

7.63x25 Mauser was the round used in the 'Broomhandle' Mausers

7.62x25 Tokarev is a near dimensional twin of the Mauser, but loader hotter and used in Soviet pistols/submachine guns

7.62x33mm is the .30 Carbine round used in the M1 carbine

7.65mm Longue was an old WW2 French pistol round

Clear as mud now?

gyvel · January 26, 2010, 05:02 AM

Bottom line: Your Bernardelli Model 60 is chambered for .32 ACP, pretty much available everywhere.

nitetrane98 · January 26, 2010, 12:23 PM

One more little .380 oddity. I've got a box of S&B labeled 9mm Browning Court. Yes "court". Sounds like a street name in a fancy housing addition. It also has 380 AUTO.

gyvel · January 26, 2010, 12:59 PM

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One more little .380 oddity. I've got a box of S&B labeled 9mm Browning Court. Yes "court". Sounds like a street name in a fancy housing addition. It also has 380 AUTO.

"Court" is French for short, somewhat akin to "Corto" which is both Italian and Spanish for short. They are all derived from Latin from the ancient Roman occupations.

So, you can have .380 ACP, .380 CAP, .380 CAPH, 9mm Court, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, and 9mm Scurt, all of which are designations for the same cartridge in different languages. (There are probably more, too.)

Old Grump · January 26, 2010, 02:06 PM

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/pistol-...=9&product=170

92 gr bullet but Berdan primed if reloading is a factor on whether or not you want more of them.

varoadking · January 26, 2010, 08:23 PM

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Yes, that's right. .380acp, 9mm short, 9mm kurtz are all the same round just different names.

There is no "t" in Kurz...

January 25, 2010, 06:02 PM	#1
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January 26, 2010, 02:06 PM	#13
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January 25, 2010, 07:16 PM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	7.65 Parabellum is 7.65x21mm. .380 is only 17mm long. The 7.65 is quite a bit longer. VERY hard to get ammo for.

January 25, 2010, 07:17 PM	#3
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	Also called .30 Luger.

January 25, 2010, 10:40 PM	#5
troy_mclure Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: gulf of mexico Posts: 2,716	yep, .32acp, .32 auto, 7.65 browning. all different name for the same cartridge. used to be fairly popular in europe as a police cartridge till the mid 90's. i have a kel-tec p32 in .32acp as my main cary gun. its an old design round, older even than the .45acp.

January 25, 2010, 11:03 PM	#6
garry_99 Junior Member Join Date: December 15, 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5	I always thought .380ACP was the other name for 9mm short. Isn't it?

January 26, 2010, 12:52 AM	#9
45_Shooter Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,050	9mm rounds are a little confusing: 9x17 is .380ACP/ 9mm Kurz 9x18 is an Eastern European round chambered in Makarovs primarily 9x19 is 9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum that we all know and love 9x21 is a round designed to mimick 9x19 performance in countries that ban military calibers 9x23 Steyr is an old low pressure round rarely seen in milsurp pistols 9x23 Largo is an old Spanish round that generally performs lower than a 9x19 9x23 Winchester is dimemsionally identical to the Largo but considerably hotter loaded, a 9mm Magnum if you will 9x25 Dillon is a necked down 10mm developed for competition use 7.62/7.65mm rounds aren't much better: 7.65x17 is the .32 ACP/7.65 Browning, fairly common in pocket pistols 7.65x21 is the .30 Luger/7.65 Luger/7.65 Parabellum, developed and used in the Luger pistols 7.65x25 Borchardt is a cartridge used in an early autoloader, predating the Mauser round 7.63x25 Mauser was the round used in the 'Broomhandle' Mausers 7.62x25 Tokarev is a near dimensional twin of the Mauser, but loader hotter and used in Soviet pistols/submachine guns 7.62x33mm is the .30 Carbine round used in the M1 carbine 7.65mm Longue was an old WW2 French pistol round Clear as mud now?

January 26, 2010, 05:02 AM	#10
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Bottom line: Your Bernardelli Model 60 is chambered for .32 ACP, pretty much available everywhere.

January 26, 2010, 12:23 PM	#11
nitetrane98 Junior member Join Date: May 23, 2009 Posts: 143	One more little .380 oddity. I've got a box of S&B labeled 9mm Browning Court. Yes "court". Sounds like a street name in a fancy housing addition. It also has 380 AUTO.