Barnes Varmint Grenades

Qtiphky · January 14, 2010, 09:38 AM

Anybody have load data for a 36 grain Varmint grenade for a 223? I have the original from the old Barnes website, but their website is still down and was wondering if there were any other loads besides the two they listed?

McClintock · January 14, 2010, 11:28 AM

Lyman's #49 has 36 gr. Varmint Grenade data. I've used (from the Lyman manual) 26.0 gr. of Varget with a COAL of 2.240. Gives a chrono'd average velocity of 3260 fps, and was good for a 1" group at 100 yards. I would like to experiment more with them to see if I can get a smaller group, but I've switched to a 40 gr. Hornady V-Max behind a charge of H335. The VG's work just dandy on prairie dogs, often you will find only the top half or the bottom half of the poodle left, depending where you hit them.

I tried 3 different charges of Varget, and the VG's seem to like to go faster; the 26.0 gr. charge made the best group between a 25.0, 25.5, and 26.0 gr. charge.

Rifle was a Savage 16FCSS with a 22" 1:9 twist barrel.

I don't have the manual in front of me, but I know it lists various powders for this bullet.

CAUTION: This is the load that works in my gun. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

Hope that helps.

Cheers!
McClintock

A_Gamehog · January 14, 2010, 09:03 PM

http://www.ramshot.com/powders/ go to page 7 for this PDF document

223 Remington

Barrel: 24" ■ Twist: 1-12" ■ Primer: FED 205 ■ Bullet Diameter .224"

X-Terminator 36 BAR VG 25.7 3,420 28.6 3,800 51,500 2.180
X-Terminator 40 HDY V-MAX 24.8 3,340 27.5 3,711 52,260 2.240
X-Terminator 40 NOS B-TIP 25.2 3,389 28.0 3,765 52,990 2.275
X-Terminator 50 BAR VG 23.0 3,007 25.5 3,341 54,211 2.180
X-Terminator 50 BAR VLC 23.9 3,089 26.5 3,432 52,970 2.255
X-Terminator 50 NOS B-TIP 24.0 3,134 26.6 3,488 54,800 2.250
X-Terminator 52 HDY BTHP 23.0 3,030 25.5 3,133 50,820 2.260
X-Terminator 55 SIE BK 22.8 2,981 25.3 3,312 52,490 2.260
X-Terminator 60 SIE HP 21.6 2,790 24.0 3,100 54,900 2.260
X-Terminator 62 BRG HP 21.3 2,784 23.7 3,098 54,500 2.260
TAC 36 BAR VG 26.1 3,415 29.0 3,794 52,151 2.180
TAC 40 HDY V-Max 25.1 3,380 27.9 3,756 54,861 2.240
TAC 45 SIE SP 24.6 3,219 27.3 3,577 53,591 2.230
TAC 50 BAR VG 23.3 2,964 25.9 3,293 53,151 2.180
TAC 50 NOS BT 24.3 3,103 27.0 3,448 54,961 2.260
TAC 53 BAR TSX 23.7 3,002 26.3 3,336 55,000 2.180
TAC 55 SIE BK 23.4 2,966 26.0 3,295 54,881 2.240
TAC 60 SIE HP 22.3 2,818 24.8 3,131 55,000 2.250
TAC 62 BRG HP 22.0 2,775 24.5 3,100 55,000 2.250

Frangible Bullets

X-Terminator 45 SF WTP 24.3 3,186 27.0 3,540 54,177 2.224
X-Terminator 55 SF WTP 22.8 2,926 25.3 3,251 54,987 2.224
TAC 45 SF WTP 24.7 3,177 27.4 3,530 53,987 2.224
TAC 55 SF WTP 23.1 2,929 25.7 3,254 54,177 2.244

223 Remington (1 in 7 or 9 twist)

Barrel: 24" ■ Twist: 1-7" or 1-9" ■ Primer: FED 205 ■ Bullet Diameter .224"

TAC 68 HDY BTHP 21.7 2,714 24.1 2,980 52,580 2.260
TAC 69 SIE HPBT 21.6 2,668 24.0 2,965 53,500 2.260
TAC 75 HDY BTHP 21.2 2,511 23.6 2,790 50,760 2.260
TAC 77 NOS HPBT 21.2 2,515 23.5 2,794 52,500 2.260
TAC 80 SIE HPBT 20.7 2,444 23.0 2,715 53,500 2.260

Qtiphky · January 14, 2010, 09:19 PM

Thanks for the help. Now I have somewhere to start.

January 14, 2010, 09:38 AM	#1
Qtiphky Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2008 Location: Upper Michigan, above the Mackinac Bridge Posts: 568	Barnes Varmint Grenades Anybody have load data for a 36 grain Varmint grenade for a 223? I have the original from the old Barnes website, but their website is still down and was wondering if there were any other loads besides the two they listed?

January 14, 2010, 09:03 PM	#3
A_Gamehog Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2009 Location: Central Oregun Posts: 563	Ramshot's web data http://www.ramshot.com/powders/ go to page 7 for this PDF document 223 Remington Barrel: 24" ■ Twist: 1-12" ■ Primer: FED 205 ■ Bullet Diameter .224" X-Terminator 36 BAR VG 25.7 3,420 28.6 3,800 51,500 2.180 X-Terminator 40 HDY V-MAX 24.8 3,340 27.5 3,711 52,260 2.240 X-Terminator 40 NOS B-TIP 25.2 3,389 28.0 3,765 52,990 2.275 X-Terminator 50 BAR VG 23.0 3,007 25.5 3,341 54,211 2.180 X-Terminator 50 BAR VLC 23.9 3,089 26.5 3,432 52,970 2.255 X-Terminator 50 NOS B-TIP 24.0 3,134 26.6 3,488 54,800 2.250 X-Terminator 52 HDY BTHP 23.0 3,030 25.5 3,133 50,820 2.260 X-Terminator 55 SIE BK 22.8 2,981 25.3 3,312 52,490 2.260 X-Terminator 60 SIE HP 21.6 2,790 24.0 3,100 54,900 2.260 X-Terminator 62 BRG HP 21.3 2,784 23.7 3,098 54,500 2.260 TAC 36 BAR VG 26.1 3,415 29.0 3,794 52,151 2.180 TAC 40 HDY V-Max 25.1 3,380 27.9 3,756 54,861 2.240 TAC 45 SIE SP 24.6 3,219 27.3 3,577 53,591 2.230 TAC 50 BAR VG 23.3 2,964 25.9 3,293 53,151 2.180 TAC 50 NOS BT 24.3 3,103 27.0 3,448 54,961 2.260 TAC 53 BAR TSX 23.7 3,002 26.3 3,336 55,000 2.180 TAC 55 SIE BK 23.4 2,966 26.0 3,295 54,881 2.240 TAC 60 SIE HP 22.3 2,818 24.8 3,131 55,000 2.250 TAC 62 BRG HP 22.0 2,775 24.5 3,100 55,000 2.250 Frangible Bullets X-Terminator 45 SF WTP 24.3 3,186 27.0 3,540 54,177 2.224 X-Terminator 55 SF WTP 22.8 2,926 25.3 3,251 54,987 2.224 TAC 45 SF WTP 24.7 3,177 27.4 3,530 53,987 2.224 TAC 55 SF WTP 23.1 2,929 25.7 3,254 54,177 2.244 223 Remington (1 in 7 or 9 twist) Barrel: 24" ■ Twist: 1-7" or 1-9" ■ Primer: FED 205 ■ Bullet Diameter .224" TAC 68 HDY BTHP 21.7 2,714 24.1 2,980 52,580 2.260 TAC 69 SIE HPBT 21.6 2,668 24.0 2,965 53,500 2.260 TAC 75 HDY BTHP 21.2 2,511 23.6 2,790 50,760 2.260 TAC 77 NOS HPBT 21.2 2,515 23.5 2,794 52,500 2.260 TAC 80 SIE HPBT 20.7 2,444 23.0 2,715 53,500 2.260 Last edited by A_Gamehog; January 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM.

January 14, 2010, 11:28 AM	#2
McClintock Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2008 Location: The Bald Prairie of Southern Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 305	Lyman's #49 has 36 gr. Varmint Grenade data. I've used (from the Lyman manual) 26.0 gr. of Varget with a COAL of 2.240. Gives a chrono'd average velocity of 3260 fps, and was good for a 1" group at 100 yards. I would like to experiment more with them to see if I can get a smaller group, but I've switched to a 40 gr. Hornady V-Max behind a charge of H335. The VG's work just dandy on prairie dogs, often you will find only the top half or the bottom half of the poodle left, depending where you hit them. I tried 3 different charges of Varget, and the VG's seem to like to go faster; the 26.0 gr. charge made the best group between a 25.0, 25.5, and 26.0 gr. charge. Rifle was a Savage 16FCSS with a 22" 1:9 twist barrel. I don't have the manual in front of me, but I know it lists various powders for this bullet. CAUTION: This is the load that works in my gun. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information. Hope that helps. Cheers! McClintock

January 14, 2010, 09:19 PM	#4
Qtiphky Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2008 Location: Upper Michigan, above the Mackinac Bridge Posts: 568	Thanks Thanks for the help. Now I have somewhere to start.