Ruger M77 6mm

turnerdye1 · January 12, 2010, 10:25 PM

i have a ruger m77 in 6mm caliber. i was wondering if i need to spend 26 dollars for the 6mm remington ammo or can i get .243? ive heard that the 243 wont work and ive heard that it will. id really like to figure it out before i go and blow my gun up

Dougw47 · January 12, 2010, 10:40 PM

6mm uses the parent case of the German Military (8mm)
it is a 6 x 57...completely different than the 243. Can be hard to find.

Be careful.

turnerdye1 · January 12, 2010, 11:33 PM

yea its very hard and expensive

MosinM38 · January 12, 2010, 11:37 PM

Definately only use 6MM.

It's sorta tough to find, but a decent round. My uncle used it for a good while, and swore by it.

turnerdye1 · January 14, 2010, 08:31 AM

it is a good round and i think ill stick with it. really frickin pricey though. i was thinking about reloading it but i cant find any 6mm dies. ive only found 243

taylorce1 · January 14, 2010, 10:34 AM

Midway USA or Graf and Sons would have the dies. They aren't in very many stores, but RCBS, Hornady and Lee as well as many others still make the dies. The 6mm Remington has a little larger case capacity than the .243 Win and if you handload will do everything and more than the .243 Win.

dmazur · January 14, 2010, 10:57 AM

What you may have heard is that it uses the same bullets as the .243. As others have said, the case is different.

uncyboo · January 14, 2010, 11:54 AM

If you're located anywhere near Spokane WA let me swap you out of it. I've been looking for a bolt 6mm.......

Or Ruger #1. That would be the sh=t.....

ranger dave · January 14, 2010, 12:23 PM

why arn't you somping pvt. pile's guts out no no no no no you can't use 243 in a 6 mm rem one of the first rules of gun saftey use the right ammo marked on the gun .

uncyboo · January 14, 2010, 12:54 PM

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use the right ammo marked on the gun .

True but......

If you decide to handload (which I highly reccomend for this caliber) keep in mind the 6mm Rem was introduced as .244 Rem, and while I seriously doubt you'll find factory ammo labelled this way, I have seen and continue to see brass and dies at gun shows marked this way. They are the same, as are the guns you'll occasionally see with the .244 Rem barrel stamp.

1911 Shooter · January 14, 2010, 12:58 PM

No no no no no no

**Mike Irwin** · January 14, 2010, 01:46 PM

the only difference between the .244 Remington and the 6mm Remington, other than the name, is the fact that the .244 had a rifling twist that would not stabilize heavier bullets.

When Remington finally got around to actually listening to people, who were saying that they wanted a gun that would shoot both light bullets for varmints and heavy bullets for medium sized game, the company changed the cartridge's name and the rifling twist on the barrels.

Ammo that is labeled .244 Remington (You will see it at gunshows and the like, but it hasn't been loaded that way since the 1960s) will shoot fine in a gun marked 6mm Remington, but the reverse may not be true depending on the bullet weight.

turnerdye1 · January 14, 2010, 05:15 PM

thanks for all the input. ill just buy factory ammo and use 6mm marked dies to reload.

and i can use a 243 bullet cant i?

James R. Burke · January 14, 2010, 05:18 PM

Yup they are all correct. Dont do that. Sounds like you need to get into some reloading. Great hobby, fun, and you will produce the best you can get for your rifle.

JackL · January 14, 2010, 05:46 PM

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and i can use a 243 bullet cant i?

The .243 bullet, yes. The .243 cartridge case, no way.

turnerdye1 · January 14, 2010, 06:14 PM

alright good. i think i have the idea. im looking into getting into reloading. 9mm and 6mm.

Die- 6mm
Primer- small or large rifle?
Casing- 6mm casing. probably buy factory ammo and re use the cartridge
Bullet - 243

does that look right?

uncyboo · January 14, 2010, 06:46 PM

Step 1 - Get a reloading manual and read it. Twice.

turnerdye1 · January 14, 2010, 06:52 PM

yes i know im getting ready to order one soon

small or large rifle primers?

dmazur · January 14, 2010, 06:57 PM

+1 to reloading manual.

The first 50 pages or so cover the basics, and the 6 pages or so on the 6mm Remington answer questions about powder type & charge wt, size of primers, bullet weight and COL, etc.

General guideline on any rifle is to use only the cartridge that is marked on the barrel...so if the barrel says 6mm Remington, that's what the ammo box has to say, too.

The .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO rifles that are popular now may have introduced an element of confusion, and there are lots of arguments running on whether or not these are bidirectionally interchangeable.

It is safer to assume that something is not going to work until you prove otherwise, rather than assume it is...

turnerdye1 · January 14, 2010, 07:14 PM

thanks.

i still need to know whether or not to get small or large rifle primer

a gun store is going out of business and he has large rifle primers for really cheap and ill go get them tomorow if i can figure whether or not its small or large

taylorce1 · January 14, 2010, 07:31 PM

It is Large Rifle primers and see if they have some powder because it isn't worth the shipping to get just 1K of primers or 1lb of powder. Look for powders like H380, H4895, H4350, and IMR 4064.

I don't know what you have for a reloading set up but Midway has the brass, dies and bullets.

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Winchester Brass 6mm Remington Bag of 50
Product #: 344000
Available $20.99

Remington Bullets 243 Caliber, 6mm (243 Diameter) 80 Grain Pointed Soft Point Box of 100 (Bulk Packaged)
Product #: 377207
Available $16.99

Lee Pacesetter 3-Die Set 6mm Remington
Product #: 543463
Available $26.99

I used Lee dies because they give you the shell holder in the die set as well, that way you don't have to purchase it seperate.

turnerdye1 · January 15, 2010, 08:31 AM

thanks alot for the info

ill start looking into midway.

ill probably buy my powder local

BDX · January 15, 2010, 11:23 AM

Hi turner,

Drop me a Private message. I've been picking up my .244 recently and working up some loads. I dont feel comfortable recommending loads but I can certainly help you with a few 6mm basics.

George

turnerdye1 · January 15, 2010, 08:02 PM

just pm'd you

Red_Eagle · January 16, 2010, 10:12 AM

The .243/6mm bullet (projectile) is used in the 243 win, 6mm (244) rem, 243 WSSM, 6mm-06, and 6mm-284. However, the cartridge cases are very different.

January 12, 2010, 10:40 PM	#2
Dougw47 Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Lake Tawakoni Posts: 154	6mm 6mm uses the parent case of the German Military (8mm) it is a 6 x 57...completely different than the 243. Can be hard to find. Be careful.

January 14, 2010, 12:23 PM	#9
ranger dave Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2005 Posts: 485	what why arn't you somping pvt. pile's guts out no no no no no you can't use 243 in a 6 mm rem one of the first rules of gun saftey use the right ammo marked on the gun .

January 14, 2010, 01:46 PM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,642	the only difference between the .244 Remington and the 6mm Remington, other than the name, is the fact that the .244 had a rifling twist that would not stabilize heavier bullets. When Remington finally got around to actually listening to people, who were saying that they wanted a gun that would shoot both light bullets for varmints and heavy bullets for medium sized game, the company changed the cartridge's name and the rifling twist on the barrels. Ammo that is labeled .244 Remington (You will see it at gunshows and the like, but it hasn't been loaded that way since the 1960s) will shoot fine in a gun marked 6mm Remington, but the reverse may not be true depending on the bullet weight. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 15, 2010, 11:23 AM	#23
BDX Member Join Date: January 4, 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 61	Drop me a line Hi turner, Drop me a Private message. I've been picking up my .244 recently and working up some loads. I dont feel comfortable recommending loads but I can certainly help you with a few 6mm basics. George

January 15, 2010, 08:02 PM	#24
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	6mm just pm'd you

January 12, 2010, 10:25 PM	#1
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	Ruger M77 6mm i have a ruger m77 in 6mm caliber. i was wondering if i need to spend 26 dollars for the 6mm remington ammo or can i get .243? ive heard that the 243 wont work and ive heard that it will. id really like to figure it out before i go and blow my gun up

January 12, 2010, 11:33 PM	#3
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	yea its very hard and expensive

January 12, 2010, 11:37 PM	#4
MosinM38 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2007 Posts: 1,030	Definately only use 6MM. It's sorta tough to find, but a decent round. My uncle used it for a good while, and swore by it.

January 14, 2010, 08:31 AM	#5
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	it is a good round and i think ill stick with it. really frickin pricey though. i was thinking about reloading it but i cant find any 6mm dies. ive only found 243

January 14, 2010, 10:34 AM	#6
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,498	Midway USA or Graf and Sons would have the dies. They aren't in very many stores, but RCBS, Hornady and Lee as well as many others still make the dies. The 6mm Remington has a little larger case capacity than the .243 Win and if you handload will do everything and more than the .243 Win.

January 14, 2010, 10:57 AM	#7
dmazur Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2007 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,310	What you may have heard is that it uses the same bullets as the .243. As others have said, the case is different.

January 14, 2010, 11:54 AM	#8
uncyboo Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Location: Shelby, MT Posts: 1,013	If you're located anywhere near Spokane WA let me swap you out of it. I've been looking for a bolt 6mm....... Or Ruger #1. That would be the sh=t.....

January 14, 2010, 12:58 PM	#11
1911 Shooter Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Posts: 124	No no no no no no

January 14, 2010, 05:15 PM	#13
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	thanks for all the input. ill just buy factory ammo and use 6mm marked dies to reload. and i can use a 243 bullet cant i?

January 14, 2010, 05:18 PM	#14
James R. Burke Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2009 Location: U.P. of Mich/Quinnesec Posts: 1,897	Yup they are all correct. Dont do that. Sounds like you need to get into some reloading. Great hobby, fun, and you will produce the best you can get for your rifle.

January 14, 2010, 06:14 PM	#16
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	alright good. i think i have the idea. im looking into getting into reloading. 9mm and 6mm. Die- 6mm Primer- small or large rifle? Casing- 6mm casing. probably buy factory ammo and re use the cartridge Bullet - 243 does that look right?

January 14, 2010, 06:46 PM	#17
uncyboo Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2008 Location: Shelby, MT Posts: 1,013	Step 1 - Get a reloading manual and read it. Twice.

January 14, 2010, 06:52 PM	#18
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	yes i know im getting ready to order one soon small or large rifle primers?

January 14, 2010, 06:57 PM	#19
dmazur Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2007 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,310	+1 to reloading manual. The first 50 pages or so cover the basics, and the 6 pages or so on the 6mm Remington answer questions about powder type & charge wt, size of primers, bullet weight and COL, etc. General guideline on any rifle is to use only the cartridge that is marked on the barrel...so if the barrel says 6mm Remington, that's what the ammo box has to say, too. The .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO rifles that are popular now may have introduced an element of confusion, and there are lots of arguments running on whether or not these are bidirectionally interchangeable. It is safer to assume that something is not going to work until you prove otherwise, rather than assume it is...

January 14, 2010, 07:14 PM	#20
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	thanks. i still need to know whether or not to get small or large rifle primer a gun store is going out of business and he has large rifle primers for really cheap and ill go get them tomorow if i can figure whether or not its small or large

January 15, 2010, 08:31 AM	#22
turnerdye1 Member Join Date: December 30, 2009 Location: Wabash, In Posts: 92	thanks alot for the info ill start looking into midway. ill probably buy my powder local

January 16, 2010, 10:12 AM	#25
Red_Eagle Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2007 Location: Western NY Posts: 598	The .243/6mm bullet (projectile) is used in the 243 win, 6mm (244) rem, 243 WSSM, 6mm-06, and 6mm-284. However, the cartridge cases are very different.