357 magnum loads for ruger blackhawk

hickstick_10 · October 26, 2009, 01:27 AM

I do recall rugers magazine/catalog last year posted its blackhawk chambered for "357 +"

does this mean I can load my blackhawk to + levels or was it a dangerous typo?

If correct has anyone tried a load of 357+? What was your load?
Regards
Mike

KD5NRH · October 26, 2009, 05:38 AM

Not sure, but if there is any maker I trust to overbuild a handgun, it's Ruger. My hunting load in my .357 Blackhawk is a bit over max, and the gun handles it without the slightest signs of trouble.

Sport45 · October 26, 2009, 07:40 AM

The only "extra oomph" loads I recall seeing were for some Ruger .45Colt handguns. For instance, even though a .357 Redhawk cylinder has ridiculously thick walls I don't think anyone publishes special loads for it. I don't know how a Blackhawk cylinder compares to a Redhawk's

Is .357mag not enough for you in its "sane" loadings?

Stumper · October 26, 2009, 09:36 AM

I don't know about the .357 +........ but since the advent of .357 magnum J frames SAAMI has adopted a .357-. I realize that there is not a direct corelation between PSI and CUP and that Piezo readings and crusher reading differ with the same loads but 35000 PSI is resulting in lighter factory loadings than some of the old 46000 CUP standard loadings. The Ruger Blackhawk is fine with the original standard. (A former Ruger engineer has informed that typical BURST pressures on Rugers exceed 100kPSI...but that DOES NOT mean we should try to load proof loads for general use.)
As for extra heavy loads published for the Redhawk-yes they do exist and you can find some online but the powder and bullet makers aren't publishing and recommending them-some individuals do. Personally I think that going for the original load levels of the .357 mag has some limited practical applications but anything more is better answered with a bigger bore. If I had a Redhawk .357 I wouldn't push it out beyond top 46kCUP loads.....but I wouldn't hesitate to use the heaviest published loads.

AlaskaMike · October 26, 2009, 10:30 AM

I agree with Stumper. The farthest I'd go is use data from older manuals, but I wouldn't exceed that. Loads like 15 grains of 2400 with a 158 grain bullet.

Regardless, never try to push it with faster powders like Unique, Bullseye, etc. You only want to use slower powders for heavy loads like 2400, H110, 296, AA#9, N110, and maybe H or IMR 4227.

Good luck and be careful,
Mike

res45 · October 26, 2009, 11:29 AM

I've reloaded for my Ruger BH for more than 20 years any of the standard bullets loaded at MAX level or heavier cast bullet loads in the Manuals is all the "oomph" you will ever need. If the .357 doesn't get it like it is it's time to move up to something bigger.

Jeff H · October 26, 2009, 12:02 PM

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I agree with Stumper. The farthest I'd go is use data from older manuals, but I wouldn't exceed that. Loads like 15 grains of 2400 with a 158 grain bullet.

Oddly enough, Lee still shows 15.3g max in the paperwork that comes with their dies. I just looked yesterday. My load is 15.0 at the moment and that is pretty stout, but shows no pressure signs in my Blackhawk. May head up to 15.3 someday, but for now 15.0 is fine for me.

CraigC · October 26, 2009, 01:15 PM

I don't know what you're reading or what the "+" means but I can assure you that Ruger will only ever recommend factory loaded (no handloads) standard pressure cartridges in their guns. They do not recognize any +P loadings that are not rated by SAAMI. In their eyes, all .45Colt guns are created equal and designed to run at 15,000psi. So negative, there is no such thing as .357+P and Ruger does not condone or recommend any such critter.

KD5NRH · October 26, 2009, 11:10 PM

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Oddly enough, Lee still shows 15.3g max in the paperwork that comes with their dies. I just looked yesterday. My load is 15.0 at the moment and that is pretty stout, but shows no pressure signs in my Blackhawk. May head up to 15.3 someday, but for now 15.0 is fine for me.

I'm running 16gr of 2400 behind a 158gr bullet, with no issues in the Blackhawk. YMMV.

(Label any rounds like this very well: shooting one from a lightweight snub hurts.)

crowbeaner · October 27, 2009, 10:22 PM

Here's what I used to use in my 6 1/2" RBH.
WW case, 16.6 of WW 296, CCI 550, 158 Hornady or Speer JSP
Federal case, Lyman 358156 at .358", CCI 500, 14.0 of 2400
Federal case, CCI 550, 17.5 of WW 296, Speer 140 grain JHP
WW case, Lyman 358477 at .358", 14.5 of WW 296, CCI 550
Use a firm crimp and high neck tension.
These will suffice for 98% of your shooting. CB.

October 26, 2009, 01:27 AM	#1
hickstick_10 Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 477	357 magnum loads for ruger blackhawk I do recall rugers magazine/catalog last year posted its blackhawk chambered for "357 +" does this mean I can load my blackhawk to + levels or was it a dangerous typo? If correct has anyone tried a load of 357+? What was your load? Regards Mike

October 26, 2009, 07:40 AM	#3
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	The only "extra oomph" loads I recall seeing were for some Ruger .45Colt handguns. For instance, even though a .357 Redhawk cylinder has ridiculously thick walls I don't think anyone publishes special loads for it. I don't know how a Blackhawk cylinder compares to a Redhawk's Is .357mag not enough for you in its "sane" loadings? __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

October 26, 2009, 11:29 AM	#6
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 753	I've reloaded for my Ruger BH for more than 20 years any of the standard bullets loaded at MAX level or heavier cast bullet loads in the Manuals is all the "oomph" you will ever need. If the .357 doesn't get it like it is it's time to move up to something bigger. __________________ The Reloaders Network discord Channel https://discord.gg/Nafuzht

October 26, 2009, 05:38 AM	#2
KD5NRH Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2006 Location: Stephenville TX Posts: 176	Not sure, but if there is any maker I trust to overbuild a handgun, it's Ruger. My hunting load in my .357 Blackhawk is a bit over max, and the gun handles it without the slightest signs of trouble.

October 26, 2009, 09:36 AM	#4
Stumper Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 438	I don't know about the .357 +........ but since the advent of .357 magnum J frames SAAMI has adopted a .357-. I realize that there is not a direct corelation between PSI and CUP and that Piezo readings and crusher reading differ with the same loads but 35000 PSI is resulting in lighter factory loadings than some of the old 46000 CUP standard loadings. The Ruger Blackhawk is fine with the original standard. (A former Ruger engineer has informed that typical BURST pressures on Rugers exceed 100kPSI...but that DOES NOT mean we should try to load proof loads for general use.) As for extra heavy loads published for the Redhawk-yes they do exist and you can find some online but the powder and bullet makers aren't publishing and recommending them-some individuals do. Personally I think that going for the original load levels of the .357 mag has some limited practical applications but anything more is better answered with a bigger bore. If I had a Redhawk .357 I wouldn't push it out beyond top 46kCUP loads.....but I wouldn't hesitate to use the heaviest published loads.

October 26, 2009, 10:30 AM	#5
AlaskaMike Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 947	I agree with Stumper. The farthest I'd go is use data from older manuals, but I wouldn't exceed that. Loads like 15 grains of 2400 with a 158 grain bullet. Regardless, never try to push it with faster powders like Unique, Bullseye, etc. You only want to use slower powders for heavy loads like 2400, H110, 296, AA#9, N110, and maybe H or IMR 4227. Good luck and be careful, Mike

October 26, 2009, 01:15 PM	#8
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	I don't know what you're reading or what the "+" means but I can assure you that Ruger will only ever recommend factory loaded (no handloads) standard pressure cartridges in their guns. They do not recognize any +P loadings that are not rated by SAAMI. In their eyes, all .45Colt guns are created equal and designed to run at 15,000psi. So negative, there is no such thing as .357+P and Ruger does not condone or recommend any such critter.

October 27, 2009, 10:22 PM	#10
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	Here's what I used to use in my 6 1/2" RBH. WW case, 16.6 of WW 296, CCI 550, 158 Hornady or Speer JSP Federal case, Lyman 358156 at .358", CCI 500, 14.0 of 2400 Federal case, CCI 550, 17.5 of WW 296, Speer 140 grain JHP WW case, Lyman 358477 at .358", 14.5 of WW 296, CCI 550 Use a firm crimp and high neck tension. These will suffice for 98% of your shooting. CB.