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Old August 31, 2009, 10:27 PM   #1
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38/357 Titegroup Loads

I posted this earlier as part of another persons post. Need some help putting together some loads for 38 special and 357 using Titegroup.

I have lead 158 grain SWC bullets, Berry's 158 grain RN, Remington 158 JHP

Having trouble interpreting data on these bullets and Titegroup combo.

Here is what I find:

Lyman Book Data:
158 grain Linotype - 2.9 grains
158 grain JHP - no data

Hodgdon 2007 manual:
158 grain HDY XTP - 3.9 grains

This shows a difference of +1.0 grain to go from a Linotype bullet to a JHP in the same grain. How is that possible. 1.0 grain of Titegroup is significant.

I am looking for a nice load, not anything heavy until I load some 357 with the JHP's.

I have the same problem with the 357 loads, no data. Can someone help me out with what they are using, appreciate it. Thanks
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Old August 31, 2009, 10:56 PM   #2
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Check out IMR web site, thats where I found my loads for berry's 148 grain hbwc. I'm loading for 38, 357, it was around 3 grains. They have a load data chart that can help you figure out loads for about any caliber, bullet combo.
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Old September 1, 2009, 07:49 PM   #3
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Hodgdons site should have it

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Old September 2, 2009, 01:23 PM   #4
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Berry's website recommends you use low to mid range datea for jacketed bullets for their bullets / but you need to use data for a similar profile..

In the 158gr RN - I think Berry's is advising you to use the XTP data
and in .357 mag Hodgdon TiteGroup calls for 5.4 min / 6.1 max. For Berry's RN 158gr - I've loaded a few / and have been using 5.6 gr of TiteGroup with good results in my guns. When I use Montana Gold bullets / 158gr CMJ ( which is a much harder casing ) I load them up to 5.8 grains.

Hodgon data say .38 spl 158gr XTP 3.5 min / 3.9 max and I load mine to 3.6 because I'm looking for a light load for the grandkids to shoot. Cast bullets ( 3.2 to 3.8 in their data ).

I don't load any lead bullets - so I can't give you a personal recipe there.
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Old September 2, 2009, 01:54 PM   #5
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Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 8/30/2009 38 Special
Load Type: Pistol Powder: Titegroup
BW: 158

Cartridge Information
Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 7.7"
Twist: 1:18.75" Trim Length: 1.145"

38 Special
Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads

Maximum Loads


Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
158 GR. CAST LSWC Titegroup .358" 1.475" 3.2 815 11,500 CUP 3.8 920 15,400 CUP
158 GR. HDY XTP Titegroup .357" 1.455" 3.5 704 12,400 CUP 3.9 798 15,900 CUP

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Old September 2, 2009, 02:56 PM   #6
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I shoot 3.2gr TG under a 158 SWC. No problems. Light recoil.

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Old September 2, 2009, 06:57 PM   #7
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"I have lead 158 grain SWC bullets, Berry's 158 grain RN, Remington 158 JHP"

I cast my own 158 grain SWC bullets. I use 3.2 grains of Titegroup as listed in the Lee reloading manual for the .38 special. I use 4.5 grains of TiteGroup in my .357mag. Good accuracy, light recoil and a nice bang! Citywaterman
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Old September 6, 2009, 06:18 AM   #8
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Here's some Titegroup data I copied from Hodgdon's website in 2005. Maybe it will help.
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