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Old July 13, 2009, 05:34 PM   #51
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Parts like the firing pin and safeties can lock up in harsh wet icy condition. A bolt action would be just as vulneravle as any semi-auto in that.

I would go with a garand action.
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Old July 13, 2009, 09:49 PM   #52
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For all-around must work no questions asked, from what I own:

Ruger M77
Savage 110
Custom build Mauser 98

Those three I would never question, the Mauser I believe is much more forgiving of truly horrible conditions, but the Ruger is the only one that has iron sights as well as a scope. For that reason only, I choose the Ruger because I can still hit something if the scope goes south.
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Old July 13, 2009, 10:05 PM   #53
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I've only got 2 rifles (so far), and it's not really a fair comparison between the 2. In any case, the answer is M44 as far as which is more robust. The other rifle's a Mossberg 151k.
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Old July 13, 2009, 10:43 PM   #54
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There are a bunch of modern stanless steel and plastic guns out there that were designed for "rough" conditions.

There are a bunch of old milsurps out there that survived conditions that would make most of us cry for momma.

Whatever your choice you should learn how to maintain your rifle in adverse conditions or it won't matter what you choose.

Don't forget to hang a condom over the barrel of your rifle to keep the weather out.
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Old July 14, 2009, 01:21 AM   #55
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If I had to pick from what I 1944 vintage Nagant. Its tough as nails, shoots like a laser beam out to 300 yds, and the bayonet also doubles as a hotdog roaster
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Old July 14, 2009, 02:37 AM   #56
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Well, of the rifles I own ...

1) Mauser 98

2) HK 91

3) Everything else in the gun safe.

Buy and hold is my method of gun ownership!
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Old July 14, 2009, 12:01 PM   #57
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that depends, if it was a SHTF senario, i would take my 1903 springfield, if it was just, "your stuck in the woods with no way out" i would either take my 1903, or my 1874 sharps, in 135 years, i have heard very few complaints about sharps failing, and i trust mine.
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Old July 14, 2009, 04:42 PM   #58
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Prolly my Mosin Nagant PU sniper. Good rifle, and it helps in most situations in which you can do so to maintain some stand off distance so you can run like crazy.

Else my PTR91 w/ scope and 22 l.r. conversion kit. Not much you couldn't do with all that.
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Old July 14, 2009, 06:31 PM   #59
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Without a doubt...

my Mauser M48A
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Old July 14, 2009, 06:59 PM   #60
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M1 Garand hands down.
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Old July 14, 2009, 07:16 PM   #61
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If it had to be a gun that I own today it would be the nicer of my two Mosins, a 1952 Polish model that was refurbed in Hungary with a new bolt group and tighter fitting stock.

If I was buying a gun for this purpose I would want a Cooper-spec Scout Rifle, ideally a Steyr Scout in 7.62x51 with a fixed 4X scope in the forward position, synthetic stock and 18" barrel.
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Old July 14, 2009, 07:24 PM   #62
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P1917 Enfield 30-06 by Winchester. If it jambs, just crank the bolt a little harder. It will put'em where it's lookin'. Mine's was sporterized a long time ago (unfortunately) but it's still a fantastic old rifle for 91 years old!
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Old July 16, 2009, 12:05 PM   #63
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K98 or Yugo M70 both are stout and will likely be around long after I'm gone.
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Old July 16, 2009, 12:10 PM   #64
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Old July 16, 2009, 12:29 PM   #65
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My IZH 94

My Bikal IZH 94 12G over 223Rem single shot hunting rifle would be my choice

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Old July 16, 2009, 10:25 PM   #66
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Even though I just bought a new Remington 700, for that "I have to depend on it no matter what" rifle I would take my 1903-A3 30-06.

A supply 130 gr SP's and a supply of 220gr SP's should be adequate for 2 or 4-legged quarry.

Then again, my 700 is in Stainless Steel so I might take it too.

For total reliability I would definitely lean to a Bolt Action. Fewer small springs whose failure would make an autoloader just a club.
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Old July 16, 2009, 11:06 PM   #67
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I was going to say my Win mod 70 in 308 caliber because it shoots everything so well. But actually, based on my own PERSONAL real life experiences, I haven't actually owned that rifle long enough to subject it to a whole lot of different situations to truly test it. So... the real answer is my Winchester 94 30-30. It's ridden 5000 miles on a horse in a saddle scabbard and 400,000 miles in a pickup truck behind the seat bouncing around on the floor. It's been through rain, snow, ice, sand storms, and general neglect. But it's never ever failed to do what it's supposed to do. AND it's very short and light, which is a good thing if I'm fighting for survival since I might have my hands full of other pressing matters at the same time I'm trying to hold onto the rifle. It doesn't rust or fail to fire in 36 years of real life abuse. Yep, that's the one I want to be toting around with me.
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Old July 17, 2009, 12:17 AM   #68
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My Marlin 444, or my Marlin 44mag, which generally is my truck gun. Its been through everything. Its an old gun, which has been duracoated.
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Old July 18, 2009, 12:00 AM   #69
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The MN 44 (five rounds).

Otherwise, the LE Jungle Carbine (ten rounds) is lighter and handier with a nice safety, but the mag feed lips need to be adjusted. With just one round the bullet goes just to the upper left area outside the chamber and stops. Can such feed lips always be tweaked to solve this?
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Old July 18, 2009, 02:10 AM   #70
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"...Your most robust rifle..." Commercial hunting or any rifle? Great question, either way.
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Old July 18, 2009, 02:21 AM   #71
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Old July 18, 2009, 09:12 AM   #72
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It would have to be my VZ-24 Mauser custom that I, had chambered in .308 Winchester. The reason for .308 Winchester is that every military and police forces use 7.62 NATO ammunition. If I were trying to survive it would be comforting to know that I would not run out of ammunition, I could get it off the dead. I hope nothing like that ever happens but it does not hurt to think.

I, know that alot of agencies use 5.56, but they also use .308 Winchester and in Europe they love 7.62 NATO.
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Old July 18, 2009, 12:34 PM   #73
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@ Longrifle

The Mauser 98 System is always a good choice if it gets rough and tough, but .308?

I had 2 K98k in .308 and they had all sort of feeding issues, sometimes the rounds didnt want to slip into the extractor claw and therefore they couldnt be chambered or they got jammed on the barrel wall because they entered the chamber at a angel way too steep. The .308 is shorter than the 8x57mm so this causes this issues. (and yes, bot of them had the extra-feed ramp for the .308)
I sold both of them and replaced them with good old K98k's in 8x57, here in Europe the 8x57mm mauser is one of THE hunting cartridges so its way easier to get them than in the US. IMO the K98k is gerat in 8x57, never touch a running system I say.

I bet the 98 in 30-06 would be gerat too but I would NEVER use one in .308, its a jam-o-matic and such rifle can get you killed.
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Old July 18, 2009, 01:20 PM   #74
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Old July 18, 2009, 04:35 PM   #75
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I know you said rifle...but if my life depended on it, I'd choose a good pump or semi auto shotgun with a 5 or 6 round capacity and an 18.5 inch barrel.

You can always shoot slugs...right? (out to about 100 yards anyway)
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