Hog Meat Question?

Hirlau · March 31, 2009, 01:35 AM

Disclaimer First:

I don't hunt anymore, not since I was 20. Don't agree on running dogs on hogs or maybe I'm not sure about it.

Damn-it! I'm confused

and HogDogs, you are to Blame

I just watched the video segments you posted about " Pig Bomb" , Thanks, and I had no idea about the seriousness of this problem; or should I say the EXCESS availability of Bar-B-Que Pork running around. I have found conflict between my moral values and my stomach.

So here is the question for this thread:
How safe is this meat(wild hogs)? Since this "Boom" in the last 15 years, can there be genetic concerns( in-breeding in a small area/county)? The hogs eat almost anything, right? Is this a concern? A steady dose of this Bar-B-Que over the years; is it safe?

One last question; do I use my 375 H&H, M-1 Garand or do I have to buy a special hog gun?

VaFisher · March 31, 2009, 07:48 AM

Dogs on any game should be the right of any hunter to chose his or her way dogs or not. We as hunters have no need to fight among ourselves on how we hunt. You say you havent hunted,

Quote:

I don't hunt anymore, not since I was 20.

so why would you even bring up such for all to see. If you dont like it you do not have to do it but you have the right to hunt your way if you so chose.
No I do not hunt hogs with dogs but others have that right and I respect that for them and will not bash their way of hunting.

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 08:14 AM

wild hogs can carry "cooties" but fully cooked using a meat thermometer assures your safety.
I refuse to hunt hogs that have any chance of using a dump as a feeding stop as they can get the bad human cooties from medical waste or other nasty stuff.
There are warnings that we need to wear rubber gloves when butchering wild swine but I never worried about it and I always end up with a few nicks cleaning them. Never so much as gas from eating too much...

As was stated in a normally liberal agendized network documentary, hog doggin' is recognized as an effective control measure. I do not argue the dogs on game issues either and didn't when I was meeting with home owners associations. I stated my case and intentions to rid their neighborhood of dangerous (charging folks as they walked out for their mornin' paper or walkin' fluffy da' mutt) animals. If they didn't like the idea of doggin' them I would have them buy a thousand bucks worth of traps (4) and collect one little one at a time doing little to get the smarter older "trap shy" hogs.
Either gun you listed is fine.

YOU ARE INVITED to go on a hunt with dogs to see how, why and what we do.
I will answer any questions I can if you have more.
Brent

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 08:21 AM

As for the boom and breeding, inbreeding is not a threat to their health or yours as they cover enuff ground and have enuff variety of breeds and genetics that they are constantly cross breeding with other herds, mixing sows from one to another herd and boars live solitary once full grown unless a sow is in heat and at this point boars from several original groups may battle for her. In any given area I have hunted we have a likelihood of black, red, belted (hampshire), piebald/spotted, blue and russian colored hogs, all in the same patch of woods.
Brent

simonkenton · March 31, 2009, 08:46 AM

Yours is an interesting question about what the hogs eat.
Yes, the wild hog will eat anything.
I have a buddy down in central Georgia who is a guide for crow hunts. Believe it or not, Jerry makes a lot of money guiding crow hunts.
Last year, he and his hunters killed 3,200 crows!
Jerry has a buddy who keeps a couple dozen hogs in a semi-wild environment, he has 20 acres of woods and swamps fenced in. He lets people "hunt" these pigs for 50 cents a pound.
At any rate, Jerry will swing by there after a crow hunt, and dump 120 freshly killed crows in the big hog pen.
He tells me that the hogs will eat every scrap, including feathers, beaks, and claws.
I have been down there hunting deer and real wild hogs a couple times, got shut out, and Jerry said we could go by this place and shoot one of these hogs in the pen.
I was tempted to do it as it is some pretty cheap pork, but, it grossed me out to think of eating a pig that had been eating entire crows.
I never took Jerry up on this offer but he said other guys have eaten these crow hogging pigs, and they taste fine.

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 09:03 AM

Simon ain't joshin' no one either! It is common practice to toss deer leavings into the hog pens as well. With a full self feeder of corn they will still eat the deer parts. They leave the hide and skull but if they run out of corn, those too, get consumed eventually.

Brent

Hirlau · March 31, 2009, 11:40 AM

Thank you guys, for the information you provided. It has been a learning experience on this hunting hog issue.

As for VaFisher, you need to read the OP again after you have cooled off. I'm not bashing anyone or style of hunting. I have not hunted since 20 years, but asked the questions on the hunting forum, because I felt like it!

My Son is 11 years and talks about hunting now, due to the environment of the Bass Pro Shops we are in twice a week. I am considering this issue of hog hunting for his education, if that's O.K. with you, VaFisher?

VaFisher · March 31, 2009, 06:20 PM

I have no need to cool down, all I did was defend what I thought was bashing the hunting of hogs with dogs. I have gone back a read again and I agree I may have mis understood but the way you wrote it was misleading but I am not by any means bashing the way you write. I sincerely hope you teach your chrildren to respect everyones right to hunt they way they want to hunt with or withouit dogs and with their weapon of choice.

Nikop23 · March 31, 2009, 06:27 PM

To answer your gun question, I use a 45-70

Brian Pfleuger · March 31, 2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

A steady dose of this Bar-B-Que over the years; is it safe?

Note the effect it has had on "hogdogs". Clearly, it is not safe.

Hirlau · March 31, 2009, 07:51 PM

Thank You, VaFisher.

Hirlau · March 31, 2009, 07:53 PM

peetzakilla,
You just gave me a moment of Clarity!

sniperinky · March 31, 2009, 08:05 PM

Hunting anything with dogs is just ammorral. If you want to kill something have the balls to do it yourself. Sheesh!

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 08:06 PM

And goofy grins are another symptom... Here is junior and "CD" with the dogs and a very much alive pig...

Better hangin' out in the woods than the way many typical teens spend their evenings...
Brent

freakintoguns · March 31, 2009, 08:13 PM

i see no issue with havigna dog with you in the woods. wether hog huntin, camping, hiking, or hunting. most dogs are undyingly loyal to their owner and will defnd them til death. not to mention they make way better alarms then anythign else you can think of

Brian Pfleuger · March 31, 2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

peetzakilla,
You just gave me a moment of Clarity!

Take note of the above picture. It should solve any moral quandary... that pig is smilin' I tell ya. Look close, the pigs like it too.

Hirlau · March 31, 2009, 08:19 PM

Sniperinky,
First: Semper Fi

Second: Easy Boss, we just got things cooled down on this thread, after two days of fighting.

I doubt everyone here would agree on OUR tactics either, we may not be in the best position to judge on this one.

Let this one pass.

sniperinky · March 31, 2009, 08:33 PM

A private message from hotdogs

Quote:

I have more balls than you know!
The dogs do not usually kill a pig... and I do kill the pigs myself! I stick a knife under the arm pit and swish it around until quarts of blood are spilling out! If you want to kill something you should it yourself and hands on and not use a "gas powered" shotgun!
Brent

maybe you should read rule #3.

Brian Pfleuger · March 31, 2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

maybe you should read rule #3.

Actually, rule threes says "If you have a problem with a Member's religion, creed, national origin, sex, politics, associations or personal hygiene, take it to email."

I'd say a PRIVATE message qualifies as "e-mail". Publishing said PRIVATE message on the open forum does not, however.

Funny thing about PRIVATE messages. It is extremely poor taste to make them PUBLIC.

Oddly enough, I don't see how his PRIVATE message would have violated any rule, had he chosen to publish it publicly.

freakintoguns · March 31, 2009, 08:45 PM

BBQed wild hog is effin good by the way. gotta uncle from TX that hunts damn near everyday and never buys beef. lemme tell ya, deer burgers are goddanged good, and wild hogs ribs are just as good!

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 09:20 PM

Hey Freak-N-2,
So you may just like this little bugger!

Kinda like a personal size pig roast akin to a personal pan pizza...! Junior ate the whole thing minus a taste for me and the next day he assured me that "pork overdose" is a real condition with serious "repercussions"

We don't waste any pigs we get if at all possible... Junior said it was the best eating meat he ever had and I must say it was mighty fine eatin' and had zero spices, herbs or anything added...

Brent

freakintoguns · March 31, 2009, 09:27 PM

very nice HD!

B. Lahey · March 31, 2009, 09:30 PM

Heck yeah, the little piggies are delicious.

FrontSight · April 1, 2009, 03:09 AM

"Dey will go through BONNNE, like buhtah! So be very wary of any man who keeps a pig fahm!"

And that movie quote is the gosh darned truth, too.

When I was 7 and visiting my relatives in Italy, I came across a domestic pig in a cinderblock pen. Being 7, I wanted to play with and feed the piggy. Not having any real food, I peeled off a little chunk of mortar from the pen wall abot the size of a marble and tossed it into the pen.

God's honest truth, the pig ATE the piece of mortar. a.k.a. Cement. a.k.a. A rock.

He ATE it!!

Chewed it, crunchy as you can imagine, swallowed, and looked at me as if to say "mmm, thanks, got any more?"

simonkenton · April 1, 2009, 12:02 PM

In The Canterbury Tales Chaucer has a line about a hog wandering into a house, and eating a baby from the cradle.

March 31, 2009, 01:35 AM	#1
Hirlau Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 296	Hog Meat Question? Disclaimer First: I don't hunt anymore, not since I was 20. Don't agree on running dogs on hogs or maybe I'm not sure about it. Damn-it! I'm confused and HogDogs, you are to Blame I just watched the video segments you posted about " Pig Bomb" , Thanks, and I had no idea about the seriousness of this problem; or should I say the EXCESS availability of Bar-B-Que Pork running around. I have found conflict between my moral values and my stomach. So here is the question for this thread: How safe is this meat(wild hogs)? Since this "Boom" in the last 15 years, can there be genetic concerns( in-breeding in a small area/county)? The hogs eat almost anything, right? Is this a concern? A steady dose of this Bar-B-Que over the years; is it safe? One last question; do I use my 375 H&H, M-1 Garand or do I have to buy a special hog gun?

March 31, 2009, 08:14 AM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	wild hogs can carry "cooties" but fully cooked using a meat thermometer assures your safety. I refuse to hunt hogs that have any chance of using a dump as a feeding stop as they can get the bad human cooties from medical waste or other nasty stuff. There are warnings that we need to wear rubber gloves when butchering wild swine but I never worried about it and I always end up with a few nicks cleaning them. Never so much as gas from eating too much... As was stated in a normally liberal agendized network documentary, hog doggin' is recognized as an effective control measure. I do not argue the dogs on game issues either and didn't when I was meeting with home owners associations. I stated my case and intentions to rid their neighborhood of dangerous (charging folks as they walked out for their mornin' paper or walkin' fluffy da' mutt) animals. If they didn't like the idea of doggin' them I would have them buy a thousand bucks worth of traps (4) and collect one little one at a time doing little to get the smarter older "trap shy" hogs. Either gun you listed is fine. YOU ARE INVITED to go on a hunt with dogs to see how, why and what we do. I will answer any questions I can if you have more. Brent

March 31, 2009, 08:21 AM	#4
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	As for the boom and breeding, inbreeding is not a threat to their health or yours as they cover enuff ground and have enuff variety of breeds and genetics that they are constantly cross breeding with other herds, mixing sows from one to another herd and boars live solitary once full grown unless a sow is in heat and at this point boars from several original groups may battle for her. In any given area I have hunted we have a likelihood of black, red, belted (hampshire), piebald/spotted, blue and russian colored hogs, all in the same patch of woods. Brent

March 31, 2009, 08:46 AM	#5
simonkenton Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 891	Yours is an interesting question about what the hogs eat. Yes, the wild hog will eat anything. I have a buddy down in central Georgia who is a guide for crow hunts. Believe it or not, Jerry makes a lot of money guiding crow hunts. Last year, he and his hunters killed 3,200 crows! Jerry has a buddy who keeps a couple dozen hogs in a semi-wild environment, he has 20 acres of woods and swamps fenced in. He lets people "hunt" these pigs for 50 cents a pound. At any rate, Jerry will swing by there after a crow hunt, and dump 120 freshly killed crows in the big hog pen. He tells me that the hogs will eat every scrap, including feathers, beaks, and claws. I have been down there hunting deer and real wild hogs a couple times, got shut out, and Jerry said we could go by this place and shoot one of these hogs in the pen. I was tempted to do it as it is some pretty cheap pork, but, it grossed me out to think of eating a pig that had been eating entire crows. I never took Jerry up on this offer but he said other guys have eaten these crow hogging pigs, and they taste fine.

March 31, 2009, 09:03 AM	#6
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Simon ain't joshin' no one either! It is common practice to toss deer leavings into the hog pens as well. With a full self feeder of corn they will still eat the deer parts. They leave the hide and skull but if they run out of corn, those too, get consumed eventually. Brent

March 31, 2009, 11:40 AM	#7
Hirlau Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 296	Thank you guys, for the information you provided. It has been a learning experience on this hunting hog issue. As for VaFisher, you need to read the OP again after you have cooled off. I'm not bashing anyone or style of hunting. I have not hunted since 20 years, but asked the questions on the hunting forum, because I felt like it! My Son is 11 years and talks about hunting now, due to the environment of the Bass Pro Shops we are in twice a week. I am considering this issue of hog hunting for his education, if that's O.K. with you, VaFisher?

March 31, 2009, 06:20 PM	#8
VaFisher Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2006 Posts: 596	I have no need to cool down, all I did was defend what I thought was bashing the hunting of hogs with dogs. I have gone back a read again and I agree I may have mis understood but the way you wrote it was misleading but I am not by any means bashing the way you write. I sincerely hope you teach your chrildren to respect everyones right to hunt they way they want to hunt with or withouit dogs and with their weapon of choice.

March 31, 2009, 06:27 PM	#9
Nikop23 Member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Posts: 80	To answer your gun question, I use a 45-70

March 31, 2009, 07:51 PM	#11
Hirlau Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 296	Thank You, VaFisher.

March 31, 2009, 07:53 PM	#12
Hirlau Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 296	peetzakilla, You just gave me a moment of Clarity!

March 31, 2009, 08:05 PM	#13
sniperinky Junior member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: White Lightning Hills Posts: 35	Hunting anything with dogs is just ammorral. If you want to kill something have the balls to do it yourself. Sheesh!

March 31, 2009, 08:06 PM	#14
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	And goofy grins are another symptom... Here is junior and "CD" with the dogs and a very much alive pig... Better hangin' out in the woods than the way many typical teens spend their evenings... Brent

March 31, 2009, 08:13 PM	#15
freakintoguns Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2008 Posts: 496	i see no issue with havigna dog with you in the woods. wether hog huntin, camping, hiking, or hunting. most dogs are undyingly loyal to their owner and will defnd them til death. not to mention they make way better alarms then anythign else you can think of

March 31, 2009, 08:19 PM	#17
Hirlau Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 296	Sniperinky, First: Semper Fi Second: Easy Boss, we just got things cooled down on this thread, after two days of fighting. I doubt everyone here would agree on OUR tactics either, we may not be in the best position to judge on this one. Let this one pass.

March 31, 2009, 08:45 PM	#20
freakintoguns Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2008 Posts: 496	BBQed wild hog is effin good by the way. gotta uncle from TX that hunts damn near everyday and never buys beef. lemme tell ya, deer burgers are goddanged good, and wild hogs ribs are just as good!

March 31, 2009, 09:20 PM	#21
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Hey Freak-N-2, So you may just like this little bugger! Kinda like a personal size pig roast akin to a personal pan pizza...! Junior ate the whole thing minus a taste for me and the next day he assured me that "pork overdose" is a real condition with serious "repercussions" We don't waste any pigs we get if at all possible... Junior said it was the best eating meat he ever had and I must say it was mighty fine eatin' and had zero spices, herbs or anything added... Brent

March 31, 2009, 09:27 PM	#22
freakintoguns Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2008 Posts: 496	very nice HD!

March 31, 2009, 09:30 PM	#23
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,857	Heck yeah, the little piggies are delicious.

April 1, 2009, 03:09 AM	#24
FrontSight Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Posts: 1,712	"Dey will go through BONNNE, like buhtah! So be very wary of any man who keeps a pig fahm!" And that movie quote is the gosh darned truth, too. When I was 7 and visiting my relatives in Italy, I came across a domestic pig in a cinderblock pen. Being 7, I wanted to play with and feed the piggy. Not having any real food, I peeled off a little chunk of mortar from the pen wall abot the size of a marble and tossed it into the pen. God's honest truth, the pig ATE the piece of mortar. a.k.a. Cement. a.k.a. A rock. He ATE it!! Chewed it, crunchy as you can imagine, swallowed, and looked at me as if to say "mmm, thanks, got any more?"

April 1, 2009, 12:02 PM	#25
simonkenton Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 891	In The Canterbury Tales Chaucer has a line about a hog wandering into a house, and eating a baby from the cradle.