OORAH for 35 gr V-MAX

ELMOUSMC · March 18, 2008, 08:17 PM

Enough snow has melted around here so I could get down to my range and test some of my hand loads for my hornet.At a hundred yds they grouped under an inch for 3 5 shot groups.My neighbor has a dairy operation and 1 of the things you can not have around a dairy is pigeon and he has plenty.I went down to his place to see if he wanted to try knocking a few off.The 1st 1 I hit exploded all that was left was the wings and 1 foot we got 5 more before they hit the road and the result was the same on all of them.My load is 12.8 grs of Li'L gun with a 35 gr V-MAX before my crony took a dump I was seeing 2980 to 3050 fps.Does anyone know how to figure out FT-LBS of energy these rounds were putting out? Also do you think this load would have enough penetration on a coyote at say max of 150 yds?Or would it just blow up?I am really impressed with this bullet as I am a comitted Hornet shooter Thanks ELMOUSMC Mgunnerysgt USMC 1965-1992

4sarge · March 18, 2008, 09:26 PM

Was just here checking on the 40gr V-Max.
Punch in your numbers!

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ba...calculator.php

Ozzieman · March 18, 2008, 09:28 PM

HORNADY shows a V max of 35 gr. Has a BC of 0.109
But no charts.
The best I can do is with the Sierra book shows a 40 gr at 3000 FPS with muzzle energy of 799 FT-LB for the HORNET.
650 at 50 yd, 476 at 100 and still 151 at 300. I would say you’re within 10 % of that easily.
Sorry I looked at all the books but nothing for the 35.

One question,,, I have never been on a farm with cows,,, why no pigeon’s???

Ozzieman · March 18, 2008, 09:33 PM

WOW 4sarge never been there before, thanks for the information, this is what I came up with.

Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
Bullet Weight (grains) 35 Ballistic Coefficient .109
Muzzle Velocity (fps) 3000 Temperature 59
Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

Ballistics Table in Yards 35 gr., .109 B.C. www.hornady.com

Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
Velocity (fps) 3000 2576 2189 1528 1096 909 796
Energy (ft.-lb.) 699 516 373 182 93 64 49
Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 -0.1 0.0 -6.1 -27.8 -76.9 -162.1
Come Up in MOA -1.5 0.2 0.0 2.9 8.8 18.4 31.0

ELMOUSMC · March 18, 2008, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the information,thats really carring some impact for a 35 gr. pill.So I guess with #s like that it ought to work on the song dogs.The reason you can't allow pigeons around class A daries is fecal contamination of feed stocks which transilates into bacterial levels in the milk and sick cows.Hey thanks again guys ELMOUSMC

4sarge · March 18, 2008, 10:20 PM

Ozzieman thanks! I'm getting to that stage in life where the more I learn, the less I know!
I like the ballistic charts in the older Hornady book for reference out at the farm where we don't have internet. But its nice to can fine tune it with the calculator based on different BC's.

ELMOUSMC · March 18, 2008, 10:44 PM

Well after a little screwing around I got the info I needed but I still am a little leery about how this round will perform on songdogs(hair and hide) as compared to feathers ELMOUSMC

ELMOUSMC · March 18, 2008, 10:46 PM

Hey how do I get rid of that crud around my signature?

ELMOUSMC · March 18, 2008, 11:48 PM

Sorry about that guys I had to fall back on my Training to get it straightened out improvise,adapt,overcome ELMOUSMC

saudst · March 19, 2008, 07:23 AM

ELMO,

Hear is one that I use that may be alot more info than you want, but it's there if you need it. you can change the yardage to fit your needs, I usualy mark it for every 25-50 yards for the longer shots. See what you think.
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculati...culations.html

saudst · March 19, 2008, 07:24 AM

Trajectories Basic is the one I use the most as it gives all the information on one format.

4sarge · March 19, 2008, 07:35 AM

Saudst. Lots of good info there. Thanks for posting the link.

saudst · March 19, 2008, 07:54 AM

You're welcome sir. I use the card option as well and you can reduce it and take it with you. But, garbage in, garbage out. You have to chronograph your loads, take an acurate measurement of your scope hieght before you enter the information. after that, you're in.

March 18, 2008, 08:17 PM	#1
ELMOUSMC Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2007 Location: N.E.IOWA Posts: 384	OORAH for 35 gr V-MAX Enough snow has melted around here so I could get down to my range and test some of my hand loads for my hornet.At a hundred yds they grouped under an inch for 3 5 shot groups.My neighbor has a dairy operation and 1 of the things you can not have around a dairy is pigeon and he has plenty.I went down to his place to see if he wanted to try knocking a few off.The 1st 1 I hit exploded all that was left was the wings and 1 foot we got 5 more before they hit the road and the result was the same on all of them.My load is 12.8 grs of Li'L gun with a 35 gr V-MAX before my crony took a dump I was seeing 2980 to 3050 fps.Does anyone know how to figure out FT-LBS of energy these rounds were putting out? Also do you think this load would have enough penetration on a coyote at say max of 150 yds?Or would it just blow up?I am really impressed with this bullet as I am a comitted Hornet shooter Thanks ELMOUSMC Mgunnerysgt USMC 1965-1992

March 18, 2008, 09:56 PM	#5
ELMOUSMC Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2007 Location: N.E.IOWA Posts: 384	Thanks for the Info Thanks for the information,thats really carring some impact for a 35 gr. pill.So I guess with #s like that it ought to work on the song dogs.The reason you can't allow pigeons around class A daries is fecal contamination of feed stocks which transilates into bacterial levels in the milk and sick cows.Hey thanks again guys ELMOUSMC

March 18, 2008, 11:48 PM	#9
ELMOUSMC Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2007 Location: N.E.IOWA Posts: 384	Nevermind! Sorry about that guys I had to fall back on my Training to get it straightened out improvise,adapt,overcome ELMOUSMC

March 18, 2008, 09:26 PM	#2
4sarge Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Location: south of Chicago's shadow! Posts: 204	Was just here checking on the 40gr V-Max. Punch in your numbers! http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ba...calculator.php

March 18, 2008, 09:28 PM	#3
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	HORNADY shows a V max of 35 gr. Has a BC of 0.109 But no charts. The best I can do is with the Sierra book shows a 40 gr at 3000 FPS with muzzle energy of 799 FT-LB for the HORNET. 650 at 50 yd, 476 at 100 and still 151 at 300. I would say you’re within 10 % of that easily. Sorry I looked at all the books but nothing for the 35. One question,,, I have never been on a farm with cows,,, why no pigeon’s???

March 18, 2008, 09:33 PM	#4
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	WOW 4sarge never been there before, thanks for the information, this is what I came up with. Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5 Bullet Weight (grains) 35 Ballistic Coefficient .109 Muzzle Velocity (fps) 3000 Temperature 59 Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78% Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0 Ballistics Table in Yards 35 gr., .109 B.C. www.hornady.com Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500 Velocity (fps) 3000 2576 2189 1528 1096 909 796 Energy (ft.-lb.) 699 516 373 182 93 64 49 Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 -0.1 0.0 -6.1 -27.8 -76.9 -162.1 Come Up in MOA -1.5 0.2 0.0 2.9 8.8 18.4 31.0

March 18, 2008, 10:20 PM	#6
4sarge Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Location: south of Chicago's shadow! Posts: 204	Ozzieman thanks! I'm getting to that stage in life where the more I learn, the less I know! I like the ballistic charts in the older Hornady book for reference out at the farm where we don't have internet. But its nice to can fine tune it with the calculator based on different BC's.

March 18, 2008, 10:44 PM	#7
ELMOUSMC Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2007 Location: N.E.IOWA Posts: 384	Well after a little screwing around I got the info I needed but I still am a little leery about how this round will perform on songdogs(hair and hide) as compared to feathers ELMOUSMC

March 18, 2008, 10:46 PM	#8
ELMOUSMC Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2007 Location: N.E.IOWA Posts: 384	Hey how do I get rid of that crud around my signature?

March 19, 2008, 07:23 AM	#10
saudst Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2008 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 184	ELMO, Hear is one that I use that may be alot more info than you want, but it's there if you need it. you can change the yardage to fit your needs, I usualy mark it for every 25-50 yards for the longer shots. See what you think. http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculati...culations.html

March 19, 2008, 07:24 AM	#11
saudst Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2008 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 184	Trajectories Basic is the one I use the most as it gives all the information on one format.

March 19, 2008, 07:35 AM	#12
4sarge Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Location: south of Chicago's shadow! Posts: 204	Saudst. Lots of good info there. Thanks for posting the link.

March 19, 2008, 07:54 AM	#13
saudst Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2008 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 184	You're welcome sir. I use the card option as well and you can reduce it and take it with you. But, garbage in, garbage out. You have to chronograph your loads, take an acurate measurement of your scope hieght before you enter the information. after that, you're in.