the best 9mm brass?

kenneth owens · October 19, 2007, 02:21 PM

which company makes the best 9mm brass?? my loads are going to be fairly warm.should I get the +p brass.what do you guys use for hot 9mm loads??I have some starline brass should I just stick with it?its for my glock17L.

Trapper L · October 19, 2007, 03:04 PM

I prefer Remington +P brass over the others. You'll know the difference as soon as you run it thru the carbide die.

Shooter 973 · October 19, 2007, 06:27 PM

For me the best 9mm brass is the FREE brass, that I gather at the range.

Most of it is Win White Box brass.

kenneth owens · October 19, 2007, 06:45 PM

oh! heck yea!! I agree with( free brass!)

otasan · October 19, 2007, 07:23 PM

Winchester is my prefered brand, as well as Remington.

jhansman · October 19, 2007, 08:59 PM

Starline is as good as any handgun brass made today. The others may have a better known name, but not a better product. Try it.

swmike · October 19, 2007, 09:24 PM

About 25 years ago I bought 1,000 pieces of IVI (Quebec Canada mfr'd) military brass. Cut out the crimps and reloaded them uncounted times since then. I use them for all my HOT loads which are often well over published max loads. They don't bulge, they don't split, the headstamps are still visible. My best estimate is at least 15 and maybe as many as 20 reloads.

Now those were some strong cases.

If you want some real tough cases look for some Israeli Army Subgun brass. It is loaded to +P+ pressures (or more according to some). That brass should beat the commercial brass that was designed for SAAMI pressures.

Chief-7700 · October 19, 2007, 09:32 PM

A bit off topic I have some TZZ .45 brass headstamp 86 which is from the Israeli Army. Best brass I have ever had, could not tell you how many times it has been reloaded. The brass has a reddish color to it.
Chief-7700

alank2 · October 19, 2007, 09:33 PM

Hi,

Starline is my preferred brass so far. You can buy it direct too if you don't need nickel plated and it is priced well.

Thanks,

Alan

Linear Thinker · October 20, 2007, 09:18 AM

The best brass for me is the range brass I get for free, one of the benefits of being a RO at a public range. Never noticed any difference in 9mm brass among the commercial American makers, with exceptions below.

If you have to buy brass, Starline is highly recommended. I buy Starline in 454 Cas, 45 Schofield and 32 H&R.

After at least 100,000 9mm reloads, I developed some preferences. I sort the range brass and throw out:

A-Merc - garbage, everything is wrong with it.
MAL (Malaysian Military) - flash hole is undersized
S&B - wrong primer pocket size
PPU (Yugo Prvi Partisan) - wrong primer pocket size
FC - Federal brass made for the military - tight crimp on the primer, needs extra work. Not worth it.

In addition to American commercial brass, I keep:
Israeli Military marked IMI or TZZ, excellent brass
DM44 - World War II military brass, I am not sure who made it. I was given several thousand empties many years ago, they have been excellent.
European commercial brass from Norma and Geco.
LT

armoredman · October 20, 2007, 09:59 AM

PMP from South Africa, good stuff. After that, Winchester.

45Marlin carbine · October 20, 2007, 07:15 PM

you can tell from the pressure required to resize in a single stage press which brass is tougher. downside is the necks will split sooner than softer stuff but I seem to get better groups with the tough stuff. PMP, Hornady, Remington, IMI, Starline are my favs.

Dallas Jack · October 23, 2007, 04:56 AM

I use Remington just because I have some of it. If I were to buy pistol brass tomorrow I would buy Starline.
Dallas Jack

October 19, 2007, 02:21 PM	#1
kenneth owens Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2006 Posts: 355	the best 9mm brass? which company makes the best 9mm brass?? my loads are going to be fairly warm.should I get the +p brass.what do you guys use for hot 9mm loads??I have some starline brass should I just stick with it?its for my glock17L.

October 19, 2007, 06:27 PM	#3
Shooter 973 Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2001 Location: Home town of John M. Browning, Utah Posts: 499	Best Brass?? For me the best 9mm brass is the FREE brass, that I gather at the range. Most of it is Win White Box brass. __________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

October 19, 2007, 07:23 PM	#5
otasan Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2005 Posts: 226	9x19 Brass Winchester is my prefered brand, as well as Remington.

October 19, 2007, 09:24 PM	#7
swmike Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2005 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 670	About 25 years ago I bought 1,000 pieces of IVI (Quebec Canada mfr'd) military brass. Cut out the crimps and reloaded them uncounted times since then. I use them for all my HOT loads which are often well over published max loads. They don't bulge, they don't split, the headstamps are still visible. My best estimate is at least 15 and maybe as many as 20 reloads. Now those were some strong cases. If you want some real tough cases look for some Israeli Army Subgun brass. It is loaded to +P+ pressures (or more according to some). That brass should beat the commercial brass that was designed for SAAMI pressures. __________________ My definition of Gun Control--- A steady grip and hitting your target. "In God we trust, all others are suspects." "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying, either I won't need any more, or more won't be of any help". ____________________________________________

October 19, 2007, 09:32 PM	#8
Chief-7700 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Location: Carmel Valley, CA Posts: 112	A bit off topic I have some TZZ .45 brass headstamp 86 which is from the Israeli Army. Best brass I have ever had, could not tell you how many times it has been reloaded. The brass has a reddish color to it. Chief-7700 __________________ COLT M-1911 DOB 1918 and more a XL-650 to feed them

October 19, 2007, 03:04 PM	#2
Trapper L Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 804	I prefer Remington +P brass over the others. You'll know the difference as soon as you run it thru the carbide die.

October 19, 2007, 06:45 PM	#4
kenneth owens Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2006 Posts: 355	oh! heck yea!! I agree with( free brass!)

October 19, 2007, 08:59 PM	#6
jhansman Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2007 Posts: 639	Starline is as good as any handgun brass made today. The others may have a better known name, but not a better product. Try it.

October 19, 2007, 09:33 PM	#9
alank2 Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Posts: 47	Hi, Starline is my preferred brass so far. You can buy it direct too if you don't need nickel plated and it is priced well. Thanks, Alan

October 20, 2007, 09:18 AM	#10
Linear Thinker Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2007 Location: Blue State, NE US Posts: 202	The best brass for me is the range brass I get for free, one of the benefits of being a RO at a public range. Never noticed any difference in 9mm brass among the commercial American makers, with exceptions below. If you have to buy brass, Starline is highly recommended. I buy Starline in 454 Cas, 45 Schofield and 32 H&R. After at least 100,000 9mm reloads, I developed some preferences. I sort the range brass and throw out: A-Merc - garbage, everything is wrong with it. MAL (Malaysian Military) - flash hole is undersized S&B - wrong primer pocket size PPU (Yugo Prvi Partisan) - wrong primer pocket size FC - Federal brass made for the military - tight crimp on the primer, needs extra work. Not worth it. In addition to American commercial brass, I keep: Israeli Military marked IMI or TZZ, excellent brass DM44 - World War II military brass, I am not sure who made it. I was given several thousand empties many years ago, they have been excellent. European commercial brass from Norma and Geco. LT

October 20, 2007, 09:59 AM	#11
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,501	PMP from South Africa, good stuff. After that, Winchester.

October 20, 2007, 07:15 PM	#12
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	you can tell from the pressure required to resize in a single stage press which brass is tougher. downside is the necks will split sooner than softer stuff but I seem to get better groups with the tough stuff. PMP, Hornady, Remington, IMI, Starline are my favs.

October 23, 2007, 04:56 AM	#13
Dallas Jack Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 386	I use Remington just because I have some of it. If I were to buy pistol brass tomorrow I would buy Starline. Dallas Jack

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