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Old December 8, 2006, 12:09 PM   #1
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URBAN COMBAT's & con's

There is a great debate on the combat shotguns long range abilities. I am convinced that while very effective at close range the shotgun is simply not the proper tool past 40 yards or so. My questions are..........What range do you consider the maximum effective range of buckshot? What range do you consider maximum effective for slugs. By effective I mean capable of eliminating a threat with 1 shot consistently.

Remember that living thinking targets are capable of employing tactics to reduce their silhouette.

For me the maximum range I consider buckshot to be effective is 40 yards (from my shotgun which has a 26" barrel). At this range I can be comfortable that most of the buckshot will hit a human in any position.

For me the maximum range I consider the slug to be capable of consistently hitting a human in any position is 60 yards.

The key words are consistent and effective. Hits can be made much further especially against larger targets.
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Old December 8, 2006, 12:49 PM   #2
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I think for the average person using one for home defense, 10 yards is likely to be more than enough. If talking about urban combat as in perhaps a Katrina situation, I still don't think you would need much range if you are on the defensive, in a situation like that I would have to believe that most bg's would be carrying handguns and probably a terrible shot to boot. I just don't think taking shots at someone 40 yards away is likely to be a defensive in fear for your life act. Based on this it also makes more sense to practice at the expected range of engagement, rather than the more unlikely long distance shots. JMO
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I recently shot some Remington Express 00 buck in a 50 foot indoor range. At the limit of the range, my 870 put 8 of 9 pellets on a 16" wide piece of paper. I would call that the range limit of my SG with that particular (cheap) ammo.

Though I am no expert, I believe that the SG is a mostly defensive urban combat weapon (aside from entry use, which no civilian would or should need). If you are going on the offensive, a rifle is the way to go.
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Old December 8, 2006, 02:59 PM   #4
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I would definitely prefer it in an indoor defensive situation. Heck for that matter in an offensive close range exchange it would be my choice.

I guess the only con is its lack of range.
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Old December 8, 2006, 06:57 PM   #5
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if you have to worry about range, and modify your defensive plan to accomodate a weapon that may, or may NOT save your life, then just change your choice of weapons. I dumped the shotgun years ago, and depend on a Bushmaster now.
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Old December 8, 2006, 08:39 PM   #6
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My HD shotgun can shoot slugs with reasonable accuracy to 100yds. Its much better at 50yds and this is with a 19" barrel. In answer to your slug question.
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Old December 8, 2006, 08:41 PM   #7
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My semi auto shotgun is loaded with 7 rounds of Reduced Recoil 00 buck, It sits beside my bed. If that will not solve the problem I will get to a rifle. FWIW I always have a handgun close at hand.
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Old December 9, 2006, 07:44 AM   #8
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Nanuk, At what range would you consider the shotgun as maxed out?
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Old December 10, 2006, 05:00 AM   #9
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Here guys. A real test of what buck shot does and different ranges.

Aim those shot.
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Old December 10, 2006, 05:09 AM   #10
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I was following the other thread and have to say I agree with you. With buckshot about 35-40 yards, with slugs 50-75 yards. Do I believe you can train yourself to hit beyond those distances, yep but why would you want to if you have a rifle available that will do anything a shotgun can do to a human at the same distances and further. I still keep a HD shotgun, but I don't have any fantasies of it being better than a rifle, it's just different and fills a niche.
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Old December 10, 2006, 07:57 AM   #11
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DonR, Thanks. My shotgun is specialized for three gun matches. It has a 26inch barrel and with full choke it can hold some impressive groups with buckshot. Still the rifle would be my choice if only one could be used for all scenarios.
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Old December 10, 2006, 09:22 AM   #12
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I have seen sabot slugs shot accuratly 200 yards from a rifled barrel. I think 40 yards would probly be the maximum effective distance for buckshot though. Also keep in mind that bbl length has nothing to do with spread. It's all the chokes work. Sure it may have a tiny effect, but not significant especially at extended ranges.
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Old December 10, 2006, 11:11 PM   #13
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I could shoot slugs to COM at 75 yards out of the 24" barrel 870 I used to own. I currently have an 18.5" barrel with rifle sights and a Knoxx Comp-Stock that I can shoot quite accurately out to 100 yards. Would I rather have a rifle at those ranges, sure. But I'm a married college student and I can't afford the Arsenal AK or the M1a that I want. So the 870 will have to do for now.
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