Triburst, Hellfire, other "full auto" trigger gadgets

Dikyllis · August 9, 2000, 04:07 PM

I've read about a lot of these gadgets. The claim is that the thing-a-majig can be mounted externally, and manipulates the trigger in such a fashion as to duplicate full auto fire. Do these things work? I rented a few machineguns at Knob Creek this spring, and I'm hooked! Unfortunetly, I don't see any class 3 weapons in my near future. At least not until October......when I'll be going to Knob Creek again!!

DOCSpanky · August 9, 2000, 05:30 PM

Waste of time, and will just draw unwanted attention to yourself. IMHO.

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"Government is not the solution to the problem, Government is the problem!"--Ronald Reagan

Dead · August 9, 2000, 05:50 PM

Garbage!!! Ever see videos of those people shooting using those things??? They fire from the hip!! Doing that you MIGHT beable to hit a barn a few times at 25 yards!

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Dead [Black Ops]

Wingspan · August 9, 2000, 06:29 PM

It might not be the answer you want, but IMHO they are all junk. I have seen some people get them to work, but then only when firing from the hip. I bought one of those "TAC Trigger" things when I first got the full-auto bug. It was junk and a waste of hard earned money.

If you want to play with FA, take my advice and buy the real thing. There ARE still affordable machineguns out there.

August 9, 2000, 06:47 PM

Cheaper than dirt sells a crank that attatches to a 22 rifle.

Dikyllis · August 9, 2000, 07:57 PM

Enlighten me Wingspan. I'm under the impression that full auto wepons are nearly $$$$impossible$$$$$$$ to get.

dZ · August 9, 2000, 08:50 PM

the GAT has the best reputation

mount yer AR on a pintle, slap on a beta cmag and spin that GAT

The ground squirrels will never know what happened

dZ

**4V50 Gary** · August 9, 2000, 09:42 PM

Never mind those fancy gadgets. Learn the bounce method for simulated full auto. Better yet, learn to place your shots with semi-auto. After all, only hits count. (OK, full auto is lotsa fun too).

August 9, 2000, 09:49 PM

Bounce method?

Wingspan · August 9, 2000, 10:44 PM

$$$$impossible$$$$$$$ to get? Hardly.

Yes, if your heart is set on a MP5 or an M-16 you'd better take out a second mortgage. There are still other more affordable guns out there. I filled my "need" with a M11/9. Including all taxes and transfer fee's, it cost me $1300 to enter the world of legal full-auto. No, Macs are not the most glamerous of machineguns. They are however, the most common. That means parts are readily available and there is a vast array of upgrades and accessories.

My M11 has been ultra reliable, and more fun than all my other guns combined. The only jams I've had were caused by 1 bad magazine.

I don't know what your budget is (nor is it my business) but in todays market $1K is not alot of money to pay for a firearm, much less a machinegun.

Steve Smith · August 9, 2000, 10:50 PM

Hmm...I must have a full-auto trigger. All AK variants are capable of going quasi-full auto with the "bump method" that can be used from the shoulder...kind of. No need for the hell-fire!

dZ · August 9, 2000, 10:55 PM

here is a GAT review: http://www.ar15.com/products/triggers/gat/

Dikyllis · August 9, 2000, 11:21 PM

I didn't realize you could get into ANYTHING full auto for only $1300! Hmmmm......time to start doing some serious research in my area. Is Ohio a machinegun state? I've read a little bit in the full auto forum.......but I'm really uneducated on this topic.

Banzai · August 10, 2000, 12:42 AM

The GAT, while being a little gimmicky(like all of the trigger add-ons), works the best of them. I tried a Tac Trigger, a Tri Burst, the HellFire and the GAT was the only one that worked without breaking first use. In fact, after two years of sporadic use, my GAT is still going strong on one of my ARs.
Takes a little getting used to, but the advantage is that you get to keep very good control of your weapon with both hands.
The others use a method whereby you have to hold the weapon loosely, and let the recoil action "rock" the weapon against you finger. Thus, the videos often show firing from the hip. This is almost impossible for most people to grasp how to do, never mind to do it! It also gives you the sensation of being out of control of your weapon, and it almost impossible to aim anything when it rocks!
The GAT provides the firer with a better sight picture (read=more stable) due to the fact that you hold the weapon in a more natural firing position and it flat out works for anyone who can figure out how to hold the weapon and spin the dial with the trigger finger. (If you can pat your head and rub your tummy at the same time, you can use a GAT!)

Tom

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A "Miss" is the ultimate overpenetration!
You can never be too rich, too skinny, or too well armed!
Wake up and realize that you have the moral imperative of action..!!!

oberkommando · August 10, 2000, 06:21 AM

Glad to hear that those devices are junk I could never get mine to work very well on my Ruger No 1.

Would it be legal to convert a 14.4volt cordless drill to turn inside triger guard with some type of "finger" on end of drill?

Wingspan · August 10, 2000, 06:52 AM

Using a drill motor to turn a trigger crank would be illegal. You can use a hand crank, but not an eletric powered one.

I think Ohio is FA legal, but I'm not sure. You might want to check out Http://www.subguns.com. That is one of the main sources of Class 3 info on the web. If you post your questions over there, much more knowedgeble people than I can answer your questions.

Dikyllis · August 10, 2000, 08:04 AM

Thanks! This could be the begining of an expensive..............oh shucks........ya only live once!!

nedfig · August 10, 2000, 01:05 PM

You can build a sten mk2 for around 130 bucks

Wingspan · August 10, 2000, 04:36 PM

nedfig- I belive everyone here is talking about legal machineguns and trigger devices. Unless you are a Class 2 manufacturer, you cannot legally build a Sten for $130. Last I checked, legal Stens were going for around $2K.

[This message has been edited by Wingspan (edited August 10, 2000).]

Badger Arms · August 10, 2000, 11:15 PM

What about the BMF Activator? I've got a slew of 50 round mags for my 10/22 that are virtually unused. Sad.

James K · August 11, 2000, 03:24 PM

Hi, guys,

None of those gadgets make a semi-auto into a full auto. The law defines a machinegun as a weapon (except a shotgun firing pellets) which fires more than one shot with a single operation of the firing mechanism (trigger). Those gadgets operate the trigger very rapidly, but do not fire more than one shot per trigger pull.

Mostly, though, they are junk. Even the good ones are touchy partly because they can pull the trigger before the rifle can reload itself and go back in battery, usually resulting in a jam or misfire.

They provide a simulation of FA fire, which in some cases can be a problem, as it gets attention. As I have mentioned in another context (dummy M14 selector), something may be legal, but you might spend time convincing ATF, the local cops, or a prosecutor of that, and meantime you may be "detained" for an investigation.

Jim

anodes · August 11, 2000, 04:01 PM

Now I get to brag.

This would be the next best thing to FA.

It does indeed fire one shot per trigger pull. However, an "action bar" translates a rotary crank motion into one that alternatly fires one barrel then the other in such a coordinated way, as to give continuous and repetitive directable fire. I can't wait!

badgerarms, define, "slew".

anodes.

Badger Arms · August 11, 2000, 07:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anodes:
badgerarms, define, "slew".
anodes.[/quote]

Okay, MY dictionary defines it as "a large amount or number; lot."

It just sounded right in that context. Or, were you looking for an exact number? As for numbers, not even my wife knows.

Dikyllis · August 12, 2000, 08:16 AM

anode.........WHAT THE (expletive) IS THAT THING?!

anodes · August 14, 2000, 11:00 AM

Dikyllis, It's my new Gattlin' Gun! http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/...ML/003468.html
anodes.

August 9, 2000, 04:07 PM	#1
Dikyllis Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 150	I've read about a lot of these gadgets. The claim is that the thing-a-majig can be mounted externally, and manipulates the trigger in such a fashion as to duplicate full auto fire. Do these things work? I rented a few machineguns at Knob Creek this spring, and I'm hooked! Unfortunetly, I don't see any class 3 weapons in my near future. At least not until October......when I'll be going to Knob Creek again!!

August 9, 2000, 05:30 PM	#2
DOCSpanky Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 1999 Location: Ashland City, TN Posts: 779	Waste of time, and will just draw unwanted attention to yourself. IMHO. ------------------ "Government is not the solution to the problem, Government is the problem!"--Ronald Reagan

August 9, 2000, 05:50 PM	#3
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	Garbage!!! Ever see videos of those people shooting using those things??? They fire from the hip!! Doing that you MIGHT beable to hit a barn a few times at 25 yards! ------------------ Dead [Black Ops]

August 9, 2000, 06:29 PM	#4
Wingspan Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 35	It might not be the answer you want, but IMHO they are all junk. I have seen some people get them to work, but then only when firing from the hip. I bought one of those "TAC Trigger" things when I first got the full-auto bug. It was junk and a waste of hard earned money. If you want to play with FA, take my advice and buy the real thing. There ARE still affordable machineguns out there.

August 9, 2000, 06:47 PM	#5
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	Cheaper than dirt sells a crank that attatches to a 22 rifle.

August 9, 2000, 07:57 PM	#6
Dikyllis Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 150	Enlighten me Wingspan. I'm under the impression that full auto wepons are nearly $$$$impossible$$$$$$$ to get.

August 9, 2000, 08:50 PM	#7
dZ Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	the GAT has the best reputation mount yer AR on a pintle, slap on a beta cmag and spin that GAT The ground squirrels will never know what happened dZ

August 9, 2000, 09:42 PM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,296	Never mind those fancy gadgets. Learn the bounce method for simulated full auto. Better yet, learn to place your shots with semi-auto. After all, only hits count. (OK, full auto is lotsa fun too).

August 9, 2000, 09:49 PM	#9
Jeff, CA Guest Posts: n/a	Bounce method?

August 9, 2000, 10:44 PM	#10
Wingspan Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 35	$$$$impossible$$$$$$$ to get? Hardly. Yes, if your heart is set on a MP5 or an M-16 you'd better take out a second mortgage. There are still other more affordable guns out there. I filled my "need" with a M11/9. Including all taxes and transfer fee's, it cost me $1300 to enter the world of legal full-auto. No, Macs are not the most glamerous of machineguns. They are however, the most common. That means parts are readily available and there is a vast array of upgrades and accessories. My M11 has been ultra reliable, and more fun than all my other guns combined. The only jams I've had were caused by 1 bad magazine. I don't know what your budget is (nor is it my business) but in todays market $1K is not alot of money to pay for a firearm, much less a machinegun.

August 9, 2000, 10:50 PM	#11
Steve Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 1999 Posts: 4,131	Hmm...I must have a full-auto trigger. All AK variants are capable of going quasi-full auto with the "bump method" that can be used from the shoulder...kind of. No need for the hell-fire!

August 9, 2000, 10:55 PM	#12
dZ Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	here is a GAT review: http://www.ar15.com/products/triggers/gat/

August 9, 2000, 11:21 PM	#13
Dikyllis Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 150	I didn't realize you could get into ANYTHING full auto for only $1300! Hmmmm......time to start doing some serious research in my area. Is Ohio a machinegun state? I've read a little bit in the full auto forum.......but I'm really uneducated on this topic.

August 10, 2000, 12:42 AM	#14
Banzai Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2000 Posts: 275	The GAT, while being a little gimmicky(like all of the trigger add-ons), works the best of them. I tried a Tac Trigger, a Tri Burst, the HellFire and the GAT was the only one that worked without breaking first use. In fact, after two years of sporadic use, my GAT is still going strong on one of my ARs. Takes a little getting used to, but the advantage is that you get to keep very good control of your weapon with both hands. The others use a method whereby you have to hold the weapon loosely, and let the recoil action "rock" the weapon against you finger. Thus, the videos often show firing from the hip. This is almost impossible for most people to grasp how to do, never mind to do it! It also gives you the sensation of being out of control of your weapon, and it almost impossible to aim anything when it rocks! The GAT provides the firer with a better sight picture (read=more stable) due to the fact that you hold the weapon in a more natural firing position and it flat out works for anyone who can figure out how to hold the weapon and spin the dial with the trigger finger. (If you can pat your head and rub your tummy at the same time, you can use a GAT!) Tom ------------------ A "Miss" is the ultimate overpenetration! You can never be too rich, too skinny, or too well armed! Wake up and realize that you have the moral imperative of action..!!!

August 10, 2000, 06:21 AM	#15
oberkommando Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 1999 Posts: 1,158	Glad to hear that those devices are junk I could never get mine to work very well on my Ruger No 1. Would it be legal to convert a 14.4volt cordless drill to turn inside triger guard with some type of "finger" on end of drill?

August 10, 2000, 06:52 AM	#16
Wingspan Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 35	Using a drill motor to turn a trigger crank would be illegal. You can use a hand crank, but not an eletric powered one. I think Ohio is FA legal, but I'm not sure. You might want to check out Http://www.subguns.com. That is one of the main sources of Class 3 info on the web. If you post your questions over there, much more knowedgeble people than I can answer your questions.

August 10, 2000, 08:04 AM	#17
Dikyllis Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 150	Thanks! This could be the begining of an expensive..............oh shucks........ya only live once!!

August 10, 2000, 01:05 PM	#18
nedfig Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2000 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 263	You can build a sten mk2 for around 130 bucks

August 10, 2000, 04:36 PM	#19
Wingspan Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 35	nedfig- I belive everyone here is talking about legal machineguns and trigger devices. Unless you are a Class 2 manufacturer, you cannot legally build a Sten for $130. Last I checked, legal Stens were going for around $2K. [This message has been edited by Wingspan (edited August 10, 2000).]

August 10, 2000, 11:15 PM	#20
Badger Arms Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2000 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 1,700	What about the BMF Activator? I've got a slew of 50 round mags for my 10/22 that are virtually unused. Sad.

August 11, 2000, 03:24 PM	#21
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, guys, None of those gadgets make a semi-auto into a full auto. The law defines a machinegun as a weapon (except a shotgun firing pellets) which fires more than one shot with a single operation of the firing mechanism (trigger). Those gadgets operate the trigger very rapidly, but do not fire more than one shot per trigger pull. Mostly, though, they are junk. Even the good ones are touchy partly because they can pull the trigger before the rifle can reload itself and go back in battery, usually resulting in a jam or misfire. They provide a simulation of FA fire, which in some cases can be a problem, as it gets attention. As I have mentioned in another context (dummy M14 selector), something may be legal, but you might spend time convincing ATF, the local cops, or a prosecutor of that, and meantime you may be "detained" for an investigation. Jim

August 11, 2000, 04:01 PM	#22
anodes Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2000 Location: Sedona, AZ, USA Posts: 160	Now I get to brag. This would be the next best thing to FA. It does indeed fire one shot per trigger pull. However, an "action bar" translates a rotary crank motion into one that alternatly fires one barrel then the other in such a coordinated way, as to give continuous and repetitive directable fire. I can't wait! badgerarms, define, "slew". anodes.

August 11, 2000, 07:47 PM	#23
Badger Arms Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2000 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 1,700	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anodes: badgerarms, define, "slew". anodes.[/quote] Okay, MY dictionary defines it as "a large amount or number; lot." It just sounded right in that context. Or, were you looking for an exact number? As for numbers, not even my wife knows.

August 12, 2000, 08:16 AM	#24
Dikyllis Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 150	anode.........WHAT THE (expletive) IS THAT THING?!

August 14, 2000, 11:00 AM	#25
anodes Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2000 Location: Sedona, AZ, USA Posts: 160	Dikyllis, It's my new Gattlin' Gun! http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/...ML/003468.html anodes.