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Old November 25, 2021, 04:08 AM   #26
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The original AR-15 and M16 did not have forward assists. The forward assist didn't come along until the M16A1, and was ONE of the attempted cures for the problems the M16 was having due to the Army's misfeasance (or malfeasance, depending on your point of view).

(and if you don't know what the Army did to screw up the M16, do some research, or PM me if you want my rant about it.)

The forward assist only partially makes up for the fact that the AR design lacks a charging handle that works both ways. It fails to completely remedy that situation because instead of one handle that works both ways you now have two, each one only working one way.

Also note that none of the AR10 class rifles have forward assists. I will qualify that statement slightly, I don't know if there is someone making an AR 10 class rifle with a forward assist today, but for decades they never had one.

The only other rifle I'm aware of that has a one way handle is the HK designs, and they don't have forward assists. Nor does the M1 Garand, M14, M1 carbine, FAL or any of the Soviet designs.

My personal experience with forward assists has always been crappy. In basic I had an older M16A1 with one of the "teardrop" FA buttons and that sumbitch snagged on EVERYTHING. Later on I had a newer one with the round button, and that was much better, solving the snagging problem. Never had to use it, so I won't say it worked well.

In the 80s I had an AR with the round button assist and on those few occasions when I had a bad round, using the FA always created a serious jam. So serious you couldn't clear the chamber using the charging handle. The rifle had to be disassembled and the bolt carrier tapped rearward until the round came loose from being stuck in the chamber.

This happened more than once with some poorly sized reloads. Shooting that same ammo (including those stuck rounds) from my mini 14 where a couple of rounds did not fully go into battery, and a rap on the back of the op rod handle locked the gun shut so it could be fired. The rest of the batch that jammed in the AR ran through my mini like a sewing machine....

SO, my experience is, that using the FA is a flip the coin thing. IF it closes the action fully, you're good to go, but IF NOT, you've got a jam you can't easily or quickly clear, so I don't use them anymore.

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.
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Old November 25, 2021, 06:06 AM   #27
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In BCT, or AIT

The rifles are constantly cleaned and at no time are they fired with live ammunition while dirty.
BCT. Don't think there was any shooting at AIT (they're 68W)..

Again, I'm not anti-FA, I just never had a need for it and apparently neither did they.
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Old November 25, 2021, 02:19 PM   #28
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I have never used it even once. But carrying through with Kyle's account of things, it saved his live in the closest of close quarter combat. Gotta give it credit where credit is due.
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Old November 25, 2021, 02:25 PM   #29
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That Huber guy had a lot of gall to not want to get blasted at point blank range--very inconsiderate of him. That Tucker Carlson is a POS AFAIC.
Why?
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Old November 25, 2021, 02:27 PM   #30
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I just don’t think that I’d ever be in a life or limb situation with an AR.
I won’t be carrying one around as a defensive weapon. If I ever find myself needing one of my ARs to defend myself or property, things would have gotten really bad.

I have had a riot on my street that approached my home, I stayed inside and avoided conflict... then made the decision not long after to return to Texas lol.
Basically I avoid situations as much as possible that I’d need a gun... I carry a pistol wherever I’m allowed, however.

If I planned on entering a scenario with an AR15, I might change my opinion of the forward assist.
In the Kyle R. Situation, his sling played a bigger role and was what allowed him to retain the weapon.
So you'd use a pistol over an AR?
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Old November 25, 2021, 02:37 PM   #31
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Anyone see this , he doesn't use the correct term/wording but ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnw0R6lhFm0

So what do all of you that said the forward assist is useless say now ? Glad all mine have them . Not sure how many followed the trial or have seen the video/photos . When Mr Hubert tries to take Kyles gun I'm thinking maybe some clothing or something got hung up and slowed the BCG from fully closing.
Kyle probably eased the bolt forward rather than allowing the bolt to go forward with the bolt release. Under certain circumstances you might want the option of quietly easing the bolt forward.
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Old November 25, 2021, 02:41 PM   #32
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So you'd use a pistol over an AR?
Everything isn’t a socom operation.

I would never have an AR at hand.
They’d be in the closet or gun cabinet.
Pistol is always on my belt.

Why would I count on using a weapon that isn’t close at hand?
I’m not going to a Walmart with a rifle strapped to my chest but I will have a pistol on my side.
When I used to do ranch work, I’d carry a rifle with me, but that was almost exclusively a Mini14.
My ARs are all toys, recreational items. The Mini14 was my working gun, that has taken dozens of coyotes, 100s of feral pigs and a few oddball nuisance animals.
I’ve assembled some purpose built ARs for varmints and such, just keep grabbing the Mini14 instead.
Again, the AR isn’t my choice for self defense. I carry pistols, not rifles.
Foward assist is a vestigial appendage
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Old November 25, 2021, 04:07 PM   #33
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Everything isn’t a socom operation.
Oh, I feel better knowing that.
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Old November 25, 2021, 05:08 PM   #34
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Kyle probably eased the bolt forward rather than allowing the bolt to go forward with the bolt release. Under certain circumstances you might want the option of quietly easing the bolt forward.
I don't think so , he had just fired the weapon 1.5sec before using the forward assist . then fired his weapon about 1.5sec after . Not a whole lot of time to ease the bolt down and tap it home .

See video linked in post #3 at about 2min
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Old November 25, 2021, 05:20 PM   #35
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Both of mine have forward assists, but the only time I use them is for peace of mind if I do a brass check (let the bolt go forward then hit the FA with my palm).

I can't think of a single malfunction drill that includes the forward assist.
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Old November 25, 2021, 05:21 PM   #36
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Forgot to say,

I don't mind having it at all. I use it, and something looks odd to me on an AR without one.
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Old November 25, 2021, 07:43 PM   #37
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I don't think so , he had just fired the weapon 1.5sec before using the forward assist . then fired his weapon about 1.5sec after . Not a whole lot of time to ease the bolt down and tap it home .

See video linked in post #3 at about 2min
Good point! I should have watched the video; ouch.
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Old November 25, 2021, 08:01 PM   #38
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Even though it is not a comforting feeling being issued a piece with a Fwd Assist, I found it a necessary evil in the field. Along with the dust flap.
We spent a lot of time in a swampy environment where the piece sometimes got submerged in dirty water.
As mentioned in another forum, it was a good idea to open the action a bit and "drain" the bore.
Bits of floating detritus also got into the action and magazines as well.
Sometimes we would empty and disassemble the mags and clean out the stuff.
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Old November 25, 2021, 09:01 PM   #39
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Eh, I still don't like them. I ordered an Aero slick side upper without the forward assist (because I can't get my go-to Anderson one anymore), and am having to return the Aero for the 2nd time. I can't get charging handles to fit in them. Anderson, Bravo, Geissele, and Strike Ind. won't fit, I discovered the new Rise Armament handle will fit my Aero though. It's going back. Again. And will probably buy a standard stripped upper instead, haven't had charging handle fitment problems with that model.
FYI...my cheapy Bear Creek Arsenal side charging upper doesn't have a forward assist, doesn't need it with a side charger...
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