Shotshell load wanted.

pathdoc · June 9, 2021, 05:05 PM

Does anyone know of a load that can be used to throw 7/8oz of shot over a charge of 700X? I've looked in Lyman 5th and the RCBS manual and can't seem to find anything that fits.

I do have other powders I can use for such loads; just wondering if there's something in print somewhere I have missed.

mehavey · June 9, 2021, 06:03 PM

What hull?

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=456170

USSR · June 9, 2021, 06:06 PM

Just use 24 gram load data which is out there. The difference between 24 grams and 7/8 oz is miniscule. With Remington or Winchester hulls it varies between 14.5gr and 18.5gr depending upon the wad and primer used and how much velocity you want. I have been using 16gr with either the CB1100-12 or CB0178-12 wad with Winchester and Remington hulls for about 1200fps for several years now for trap shooting.

Don

FITASC · June 9, 2021, 09:18 PM

Why are you looking at RCBS? Try Hodgdon and Alliant for the bore size and hull and then go for wad/powder/primer

pathdoc · June 20, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FITASC

Why are you looking at RCBS? Try Hodgdon and Alliant for the bore size and hull and then go for wad/powder/primer

Because RCBS published a book on shotshell reloading, likely to go with the presses they make for that purpose. When I first got into shotshell reloading I bought both it and Lyman 5th Ed, for as much information as I could.

pathdoc · June 20, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by USSR

Just use 24 gram load data which is out there. The difference between 24 grams and 7/8 oz is miniscule. With Remington or Winchester hulls it varies between 14.5gr and 18.5gr depending upon the wad and primer used and how much velocity you want. I have been using 16gr with either the CB1100-12 or CB0178-12 wad with Winchester and Remington hulls for about 1200fps for several years now for trap shooting.

Don

Do you have a printed or online reference source for those loads? Thanks in advance.

FITASC · June 20, 2021, 11:32 AM

Go to the powder maker websites; you will get all of the data you need.

USSR · June 20, 2021, 06:19 PM

pathdoc,

The current reloading manuals don't contain 24 gram reloading data. Here is a link to an older manual that has this info: http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIR..._reloading.pdf.

Don

pathdoc · June 21, 2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by USSR

pathdoc,

The current reloading manuals don't contain 24 gram reloading data. Here is a link to an older manual that has this info: http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIR..._reloading.pdf.

Don

Got it; thanks.

Unclenick, 7/8 oz is 0.875 oz x 28.35 grams per ounce = nearly 25 grams. It's HEAVIER, not lighter. (Three-quarter ounce is 21.3 grams.) It's PROBABLY safe if I use the lightest load in the table, but I'm not sure I want to risk my hands and face. My job is exquisitely dependent on my eyesight.

**Unclenick** · June 21, 2021, 03:33 PM

Hah! I grabbed my Excel multiple conversion file and entered too fast. Put 0.875 into the inches-to-millimeters converter instead of the ounces to grams converter. Thanks for the catch! You are correct. Typos are another reason you have to double-check everything you see on the Internet. I'm going to delete that post before someone stubs their check weight on it.

FITASC · June 21, 2021, 10:18 PM

Are you using this in a 12 or 20? What hull are you using?

FITASC · June 21, 2021, 10:19 PM

Hodgdon shows 3/4oz, 1oz and 1-1/8 loads for 700X

pathdoc · June 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FITASC

Are you using this in a 12 or 20? What hull are you using?

12 gauge, I have Federal high brass plastic hunting-load hulls, Winchester AA and promo-type, and Cheddite hulls available, a selection of Winchester, claybuster and Federal wads, and a mix of Federal and Winchester 209-size primers.

The gun in question is an over/under so there will be no issues with low loads being unable to cycle the action.

I was just on Hodgdon's website, but cannot seem to bring up any such loads which include the hulls I have.

GE-Minigun · June 22, 2021, 01:58 PM

Toss all the hulls you have EXCEPT the Winchester AA’s, get some Claybuster CB0178-12 wads…drop 17gr of the 700x and call it a day. Face and fingers will be OK…

USSR · June 22, 2021, 03:57 PM

pathdoc,

Nothing wrong with the Winchester promo-type hulls. Same construction as the AA's, just cheaper material used so you will get fewer reloads out of them. My 7/8 oz load in Winchester hulls consists of 16.0gr of 700X, Winchester primer, and either a CB1078-12 or CB1100-12 hull. Hope that helps.

Don

FITASC · June 22, 2021, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FITASC View Post
Are you using this in a 12 or 20? What hull are you using?
12 gauge, I have Federal high brass plastic hunting-load hulls, Winchester AA and promo-type, and Cheddite hulls available, a selection of Winchester, claybuster and Federal wads, and a mix of Federal and Winchester 209-size primers.

The gun in question is an over/under so there will be no issues with low loads being unable to cycle the action.

I was just on Hodgdon's website, but cannot seem to bring up any such loads which include the hulls I have.

Federal and Euro hulls take straight wall data and wads; Remington and Winchester AA take tapered wads. US primers work best in US hulls since Euros are metric

FITASC · June 22, 2021, 09:52 PM

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Nothing wrong with the Winchester promo-type hulls. Same construction as the AA's, just cheaper material used so you will get fewer reloads out of them.

It was my understanding that they used a different base wad and were straight-walled

USSR · June 23, 2021, 08:34 AM

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Nothing wrong with the Winchester promo-type hulls. Same construction as the AA's, just cheaper material used so you will get fewer reloads out of them.

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It was my understanding that they used a different base wad and were straight-walled

That's exactly what Winchester did 20 years ago when they dropped the one-piece CF construction of AA's and went with the HS construction. The Winchester hulls are now straight-walled and the taper is provided by the base wad that is inserted. The Winchester Super Targets are not as good as the AA's, but they are a heck of a lot better than the Universals that are pretty terrible.

Don

pathdoc · June 23, 2021, 09:57 AM

I've reloaded universals when I was just getting started and had no other WInchester hulls available (and a recipe that needed them). I'll be watching them carefully if I reuse the reloads all that much. Remember, some of us have to make do with not much.

Ricklin · June 23, 2021, 10:12 AM

I am a big fan of the Remington promo hulls. A lot of guys shoot them. When the crimp gets too crispy I toss them, I get 6-8 loadings from the Remington cheapos.
Just don't get them wet.

June 9, 2021, 05:05 PM	#1
pathdoc Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2013 Posts: 669	Shotshell load wanted. Does anyone know of a load that can be used to throw 7/8oz of shot over a charge of 700X? I've looked in Lyman 5th and the RCBS manual and can't seem to find anything that fits. I do have other powders I can use for such loads; just wondering if there's something in print somewhere I have missed.

June 9, 2021, 06:06 PM	#3
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Just use 24 gram load data which is out there. The difference between 24 grams and 7/8 oz is miniscule. With Remington or Winchester hulls it varies between 14.5gr and 18.5gr depending upon the wad and primer used and how much velocity you want. I have been using 16gr with either the CB1100-12 or CB0178-12 wad with Winchester and Remington hulls for about 1200fps for several years now for trap shooting. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

June 9, 2021, 09:18 PM	#4
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,646	Why are you looking at RCBS? Try Hodgdon and Alliant for the bore size and hull and then go for wad/powder/primer __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

June 20, 2021, 11:32 AM	#7
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,646	Go to the powder maker websites; you will get all of the data you need. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

June 20, 2021, 06:19 PM	#8
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	pathdoc, The current reloading manuals don't contain 24 gram reloading data. Here is a link to an older manual that has this info: http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIR..._reloading.pdf. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

June 9, 2021, 06:03 PM	#2
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,209	What hull? https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=456170

June 21, 2021, 03:33 PM	#10
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,742	Hah! I grabbed my Excel multiple conversion file and entered too fast. Put 0.875 into the inches-to-millimeters converter instead of the ounces to grams converter. Thanks for the catch! You are correct. Typos are another reason you have to double-check everything you see on the Internet. I'm going to delete that post before someone stubs their check weight on it. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

June 21, 2021, 10:18 PM	#11
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,646	Are you using this in a 12 or 20? What hull are you using? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

June 21, 2021, 10:19 PM	#12
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,646	Hodgdon shows 3/4oz, 1oz and 1-1/8 loads for 700X __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

June 22, 2021, 01:58 PM	#14
GE-Minigun Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2008 Posts: 240	Toss all the hulls you have EXCEPT the Winchester AA’s, get some Claybuster CB0178-12 wads…drop 17gr of the 700x and call it a day. Face and fingers will be OK…

June 22, 2021, 03:57 PM	#15
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	pathdoc, Nothing wrong with the Winchester promo-type hulls. Same construction as the AA's, just cheaper material used so you will get fewer reloads out of them. My 7/8 oz load in Winchester hulls consists of 16.0gr of 700X, Winchester primer, and either a CB1078-12 or CB1100-12 hull. Hope that helps. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

June 23, 2021, 09:57 AM	#19
pathdoc Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2013 Posts: 669	I've reloaded universals when I was just getting started and had no other WInchester hulls available (and a recipe that needed them). I'll be watching them carefully if I reuse the reloads all that much. Remember, some of us have to make do with not much.

June 23, 2021, 10:12 AM	#20
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,392	Remington promos I am a big fan of the Remington promo hulls. A lot of guys shoot them. When the crimp gets too crispy I toss them, I get 6-8 loadings from the Remington cheapos. Just don't get them wet. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free