Howitzer

Captchee · June 20, 2016, 02:36 PM

.So this is my latest piece .
I delivered it yesterday and we ran 4lbs of powder through it before I left .
Still waiting for friction fuses so we fired her with timed fuse . Ill post the video as soon as photo bucket gets around to loading it ??!!!
This is a full scale 12 lb Mountain howitzer .

Thompsongunner · June 20, 2016, 02:56 PM

That is Sweet!

Captchee · June 20, 2016, 03:24 PM

not sure how to post a video on here so here is a link to it .
Small 1/4lb load
No its not aimed ta the horse trailer . its the angle of the camera. Trailer was about 20 yards to the left of the trajectory .
Yes blank round not a live fire waiting on fuses for that .

http://vid6.photobucket.com/albums/y...psr8lvx3xw.mp4

Hawg · June 20, 2016, 05:18 PM

COOL BEANS!!

Model12Win · June 20, 2016, 06:33 PM

Does anyone know the one-shot-stop rating for a 12 lb howitzer?

r010159 · June 20, 2016, 08:10 PM

My mind is now boggled.

Stormson · June 20, 2016, 10:14 PM

Man that is COOL!!!

You delivered it? Did you make it??? If so that really rocks!!

How much does something like that cost anyway?

Captchee · June 20, 2016, 11:06 PM

ya i made it

Rachen · June 21, 2016, 12:18 PM

Now, if "The Thing That Stalks The Fields" (popular creepypasta story monster) ever pay a visit to your place, it may finally realize that it has met it's match

Bishop Creek · June 23, 2016, 10:11 PM

I want one! That is nice.

vostracker · June 24, 2016, 02:27 AM

Beautiful, always wanted on just like that!

swedish champion · June 24, 2016, 02:44 AM

Off the HOOK! That is next level, that is.

foolzrushn · June 24, 2016, 05:26 AM

for the Fourth of July ! Might pull that baby behind the antique tractor in the big parade.

For those of us with inadequate cannoneer knowledge.....you might want to explain some of the accessories and their purpose/function. It looks like the ramrod/swab is tucked along the left side ( a little hard to see fine details in the shade).

What do the chains do?

Is a friction fuse set off with a lanyard?

Did you make the wheels, or are they repurposed?

The covered cylinder on the right side?

Hawg · June 24, 2016, 09:45 AM

Not howitzers but live fire explosive shells. I like this vid because you can hear the shells. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1DkrYL70s

Grizz12 · June 24, 2016, 10:15 AM

The best zombie gun I've seen yet

BarryLee · June 24, 2016, 10:32 AM

Wow, something that big I guess you almost have to carry OWB.

Rachen · June 24, 2016, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Wow, something that big I guess you almost have to carry OWB.

RIDING LAWN MOWER FOR THE WIN!!!

Strap that thing to the back of the mower with a wagon, or, replace those wheels with rubber-tired ones, so it would be street-legal

Hawg · June 24, 2016, 03:47 PM

Love the bell tone from this 12 pounder firing canister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86XhYS8GJI

Captchee · June 24, 2016, 06:13 PM

Ok so this piece is a full size , 12lb ,1841 Mountain howitzer on a 2nd model carriage
Looking at the first picture you see on the lefts side the worm and mop. Think of the mop as a swab for wiping the bore both to reduce fouling and get rid of hot embers . The worm is used for pulling loads and for cleaning out the improved breech ‘
. On the right side is the rammer and another mop. Which would be used to grease and or swab the bore . Rammer is used to set the load just like a ram rod would be .
These are hanging from belts because out west the mountain howitzers were most often taken apart and carried on pack mules then set back up when they were deployed . So no chains would be on the carriage. Or large implement hooks for the rammers
However the customer wanted the chains that would be on a towed piece ..
One a towed piece the cannon would be hooked to an Limber . “ think small two wheel ammunition cart “ that cart would then be hooked to a team of horses . Thus the chains are the stay chains that are hooked to the limber when towed .

Yes the friction fuse is set off by a lanyard . The owner was to have those ordered . But they had not came in last weekend so we fired with a timed fuse

I did not make the wheels , they are original wheels from a prairie carriage. We purchased the wheels and barrel . I made the rest of the Iron work and the main carriage an axel

The covered cylinder on the right side is what we use for whats called a tampon . IE it plugs the bore so nothing gets into the bore either while towed , displayed or stored . An original would have been made from wood . In this case we had to make a last minute one from foam and wrap it with tape so that we could transport the cannon .
People and police don’t like it much when they follow you and the bore is aimed at their front windshield. Its rather odd thing to see . First they are like COOOLLL look at that . Then they start to slow down or pass LMAO so we made a tampon for it
However it doesn’t exist anymore as we also used it as a wad for firing blank rounds LMAO

brazosdave · June 24, 2016, 06:42 PM

That is the coolest thing I have seen in quite awhile!

foolzrushn · June 25, 2016, 10:32 AM

Thanks for the artillery info Captchee!

Is the bore diameter such that he can use something premade for a ball and wad, or will those need to be cut and cast? What will he use? Any legal hoops to jump through for a piece that size?

You said you used about 4 pounds to test it. About how much powder would be used for each expected load?

Hope I haven't asked too many questions, guess I should web search to see if there are answers.
Foolz

Tidewater_Kid · June 25, 2016, 11:00 AM

Very very cool! Nice job!

TK

**4V50 Gary** · June 25, 2016, 11:15 AM

With guns such as those, Sibley wanted to capture Fort Union. If he had anticipated placing those guns on the bluff that overlooked Fort Union, his shells would not reach it as the Union made a star fort a bit further away after Sibley resigned and went to Virginia.

Nearby Raton has a bronze 12 pdr sitting on a pedestal. I wish the town would sell it to me to raise $$$$. I'll give them $200 for it as scrap metal.

I'll give them $2k for the M-42 Duster. Art told me that they took the regulator out of their M-42 and that sucker would do 65 mph.

Captchee · June 25, 2016, 06:18 PM

The bore is 4.69 inchs
He will cast his own balls
We fired the first round with 1 Lb all other shots were with ½ and 1/4lb charges .
Standard load for this piece was one lb the breech is turned for 1lb so when loading a smaller charge you have to make up the difference. We been using flour for that .
As I mention the 1841 had a improved breech design so rolled cartridges are made .
For live fire a sabot would have originally been used on the back of the sabot the charge would be tied . On the front the ball is strapped to the sabot or a large bagged shot charge .
The 1841 isn’t a long range piece . Effective range is alittle over a mile . Mostly from what I have read , these were used for close in work either on troops or targets .
No fedrial regulations tell you get to playing with Rifled bores
2k wouldnt even scratch the cost of a barrel GARY lol . The barrel on this piece was just under 8000.00

June 20, 2016, 02:36 PM	#1
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	Howitzer .So this is my latest piece . I delivered it yesterday and we ran 4lbs of powder through it before I left . Still waiting for friction fuses so we fired her with timed fuse . Ill post the video as soon as photo bucket gets around to loading it ??!!! This is a full scale 12 lb Mountain howitzer .

June 20, 2016, 08:10 PM	#6
r010159 Member Join Date: January 15, 2016 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 94	My mind is now boggled. __________________ I am novice collector of Colt firearms. Recently I have been focusing on collecting antiques. Here are some of my "gems". http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/r0...0of%20Firearms

June 24, 2016, 05:26 AM	#13
foolzrushn Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2015 Location: middle of the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 396	Just in time...... for the Fourth of July ! Might pull that baby behind the antique tractor in the big parade. For those of us with inadequate cannoneer knowledge.....you might want to explain some of the accessories and their purpose/function. It looks like the ramrod/swab is tucked along the left side ( a little hard to see fine details in the shade). What do the chains do? Is a friction fuse set off with a lanyard? Did you make the wheels, or are they repurposed? The covered cylinder on the right side? __________________ If you feel that you're pretty important...you should think about your significance to the Universe....and re-evaluate ! certified 'soap welder'

June 24, 2016, 10:32 AM	#16
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,965	Wow, something that big I guess you almost have to carry OWB. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

June 25, 2016, 10:32 AM	#21
foolzrushn Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2015 Location: middle of the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 396	Captchee Thanks for the artillery info Captchee! Is the bore diameter such that he can use something premade for a ball and wad, or will those need to be cut and cast? What will he use? Any legal hoops to jump through for a piece that size? You said you used about 4 pounds to test it. About how much powder would be used for each expected load? Hope I haven't asked too many questions, guess I should web search to see if there are answers. Foolz __________________ If you feel that you're pretty important...you should think about your significance to the Universe....and re-evaluate ! certified 'soap welder' Last edited by foolzrushn; June 25, 2016 at 10:53 AM.

June 20, 2016, 02:56 PM	#2
Thompsongunner Junior Member Join Date: January 3, 2013 Posts: 13	That is Sweet!

June 20, 2016, 03:24 PM	#3
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	not sure how to post a video on here so here is a link to it . Small 1/4lb load No its not aimed ta the horse trailer . its the angle of the camera. Trailer was about 20 yards to the left of the trajectory . Yes blank round not a live fire waiting on fuses for that . http://vid6.photobucket.com/albums/y...psr8lvx3xw.mp4

June 20, 2016, 05:18 PM	#4
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	COOL BEANS!!

June 20, 2016, 06:33 PM	#5
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Does anyone know the one-shot-stop rating for a 12 lb howitzer?

June 20, 2016, 10:14 PM	#7
Stormson Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2014 Location: Mountains of SouthWest VA. Posts: 193	Man that is COOL!!! You delivered it? Did you make it??? If so that really rocks!! How much does something like that cost anyway?

June 20, 2016, 11:06 PM	#8
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	ya i made it

June 21, 2016, 12:18 PM	#9
Rachen Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 2006 Location: Weekend cowboy Posts: 542	Now, if "The Thing That Stalks The Fields" (popular creepypasta story monster) ever pay a visit to your place, it may finally realize that it has met it's match

June 23, 2016, 10:11 PM	#10
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 568	I want one! That is nice.

June 24, 2016, 02:27 AM	#11
vostracker Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 416	Beautiful, always wanted on just like that!

June 24, 2016, 02:44 AM	#12
swedish champion Member Join Date: January 28, 2015 Location: big lake alaska Posts: 51	Off the HOOK! That is next level, that is.

June 24, 2016, 09:45 AM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	Not howitzers but live fire explosive shells. I like this vid because you can hear the shells. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1DkrYL70s

June 24, 2016, 10:15 AM	#15
Grizz12 Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2012 Posts: 527	The best zombie gun I've seen yet

June 24, 2016, 03:47 PM	#18
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	Love the bell tone from this 12 pounder firing canister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86XhYS8GJI

June 24, 2016, 06:13 PM	#19
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	Ok so this piece is a full size , 12lb ,1841 Mountain howitzer on a 2nd model carriage Looking at the first picture you see on the lefts side the worm and mop. Think of the mop as a swab for wiping the bore both to reduce fouling and get rid of hot embers . The worm is used for pulling loads and for cleaning out the improved breech ‘ . On the right side is the rammer and another mop. Which would be used to grease and or swab the bore . Rammer is used to set the load just like a ram rod would be . These are hanging from belts because out west the mountain howitzers were most often taken apart and carried on pack mules then set back up when they were deployed . So no chains would be on the carriage. Or large implement hooks for the rammers However the customer wanted the chains that would be on a towed piece .. One a towed piece the cannon would be hooked to an Limber . “ think small two wheel ammunition cart “ that cart would then be hooked to a team of horses . Thus the chains are the stay chains that are hooked to the limber when towed . Yes the friction fuse is set off by a lanyard . The owner was to have those ordered . But they had not came in last weekend so we fired with a timed fuse I did not make the wheels , they are original wheels from a prairie carriage. We purchased the wheels and barrel . I made the rest of the Iron work and the main carriage an axel The covered cylinder on the right side is what we use for whats called a tampon . IE it plugs the bore so nothing gets into the bore either while towed , displayed or stored . An original would have been made from wood . In this case we had to make a last minute one from foam and wrap it with tape so that we could transport the cannon . People and police don’t like it much when they follow you and the bore is aimed at their front windshield. Its rather odd thing to see . First they are like COOOLLL look at that . Then they start to slow down or pass LMAO so we made a tampon for it However it doesn’t exist anymore as we also used it as a wad for firing blank rounds LMAO

June 24, 2016, 06:42 PM	#20
brazosdave Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2012 Location: Crockett, Texas Posts: 363	That is the coolest thing I have seen in quite awhile!

June 25, 2016, 11:00 AM	#22
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 926	Very very cool! Nice job! TK

June 25, 2016, 11:15 AM	#23
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,289	With guns such as those, Sibley wanted to capture Fort Union. If he had anticipated placing those guns on the bluff that overlooked Fort Union, his shells would not reach it as the Union made a star fort a bit further away after Sibley resigned and went to Virginia. Nearby Raton has a bronze 12 pdr sitting on a pedestal. I wish the town would sell it to me to raise $$$$. I'll give them $200 for it as scrap metal. I'll give them $2k for the M-42 Duster. Art told me that they took the regulator out of their M-42 and that sucker would do 65 mph. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 25, 2016, 06:18 PM	#24
Captchee Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 439	The bore is 4.69 inchs He will cast his own balls We fired the first round with 1 Lb all other shots were with ½ and 1/4lb charges . Standard load for this piece was one lb the breech is turned for 1lb so when loading a smaller charge you have to make up the difference. We been using flour for that . As I mention the 1841 had a improved breech design so rolled cartridges are made . For live fire a sabot would have originally been used on the back of the sabot the charge would be tied . On the front the ball is strapped to the sabot or a large bagged shot charge . The 1841 isn’t a long range piece . Effective range is alittle over a mile . Mostly from what I have read , these were used for close in work either on troops or targets . No fedrial regulations tell you get to playing with Rifled bores 2k wouldnt even scratch the cost of a barrel GARY lol . The barrel on this piece was just under 8000.00