140 yard shot with Uberti 1858.

maillemaker · June 14, 2016, 11:07 AM

Last weekend I was at a competition at our usual skirmish haunt, the range at the Brierfield Ironworks State Park. There is a gong on the right-most edge of the field about 120 yards away from the firing line, up on the backstop burm.

I was shooting 25 yard revolver, which was set up on the opposite end of the firing line, the left-most of the firing line. So as the crow flies, it was about 140-150 yards to the gong.

Having put 5 rounds into the target with my Uberti 1858 New Model Army Remington, I squeezed off the last one at the gong. A tiny "ting!" greeted our ears as a .457 round ball propelled by a mere 18 grains of 3F Goex connected with steel.

5thShock · June 14, 2016, 11:12 AM

Good stuff, don't let anyone who witnessed it ever forget it.

foolzrushn · June 14, 2016, 11:31 AM

Dang.....you could'a been Clint Eastwood!

Model12Win · June 14, 2016, 12:59 PM

Nice job pard! Who says these old smoke wagons can't be accurate?

BlackPowderBen · June 17, 2016, 08:13 AM

Wow! Great shooting!

drobs · June 17, 2016, 09:24 AM

Nice shooting!

Model12Win · June 17, 2016, 09:41 AM

Wonder what the stopping power would be at that range? Enough to knock a cavalryman/indian off their horse?

maillemaker · June 17, 2016, 12:25 PM

With this gun and this load? I doubt it.

18 grains 3F, .457 round ball.

I don't think I'd want to be hit with it, but it's no Walker.

Based on this:

http://www.poconoshooting.com/blackp...allistics.html

I'd say you are looking at a muzzle velocity of about 500 fps about a muzzle energy of around 70 ft-lbs.

Based on this:
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_...allistics.html

Punching the data into Excel and extrapolating I'd say that at 150 yards you are looking at a velocity of 280 fps with an energy of 25 ft-lbs.

This is about the same as the muzzle energy of a .22 caliber pellet rifle shooting at 900 fps.

I wouldn't want to be shot with it.

Steve

SIGSHR · June 17, 2016, 03:26 PM

Let's see that shot with a service load. Those of who have fired black powder revolver have usually found the sights adjusted for longer ranges than we modern shooters usually fire at.

maillemaker · June 17, 2016, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Let's see that shot with a service load. Those of who have fired black powder revolver have usually found the sights adjusted for longer ranges than we modern shooters usually fire at.

Those of us who shoot black powder revolvers competitively have already altered the sights to account for that.

Steve

Hawg · June 17, 2016, 04:50 PM

I'm surprised 18 grains would push a .44 ball that far.

**4V50 Gary** · June 17, 2016, 05:30 PM

Awesome shot. It probably didn't have much energy at that distance, but I woudln't want to find out if my skin is tougher. I know it's not.

brazosdave · June 17, 2016, 06:27 PM

That would be cool to test out with a service load. I haven't altered any of mine for competition sight wise, but then again, I'm not sure i'm a good enough shot to hit the target ole Mailemaker did.

Hawg · June 17, 2016, 06:35 PM

If you can do it once it's repeatable. It's just a matter of figuring out where on the barrel to use as a sight base so you can keep the front sight on target.

maillemaker · June 17, 2016, 09:15 PM

I actually shot at it 3 times when unloading the 6th round, only the first attempt hit.

However, I have done this similarly with my Colt Walker with 45 grains 3F. Probably a 120 yard shot on that one.

I also hit it the same day as the 1858 with my 1842 smoothbore musket from about 130 yards.

Steve

maillemaker · June 20, 2016, 05:34 PM

So over here:

http://www.n-ssa.net/vbforum/showthr...ed=1#post55418

He got an average of 588 fps with 18 grains 3F. Goex.

So according to the ballistic calculator above, at 150 yards that is about 335 fps and about 35 ft-lb in energy.

Steve

swathdiver · June 21, 2016, 04:47 PM

Paper and computer ballistics are not a valid comparison with regards to round balls powered by black powder. They kill far out of proportion and more effectively than their paper ballistics suggest.

June 14, 2016, 11:07 AM	#1
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	140 yard shot with Uberti 1858. Last weekend I was at a competition at our usual skirmish haunt, the range at the Brierfield Ironworks State Park. There is a gong on the right-most edge of the field about 120 yards away from the firing line, up on the backstop burm. I was shooting 25 yard revolver, which was set up on the opposite end of the firing line, the left-most of the firing line. So as the crow flies, it was about 140-150 yards to the gong. Having put 5 rounds into the target with my Uberti 1858 New Model Army Remington, I squeezed off the last one at the gong. A tiny "ting!" greeted our ears as a .457 round ball propelled by a mere 18 grains of 3F Goex connected with steel.

June 14, 2016, 11:31 AM	#3
foolzrushn Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2015 Location: middle of the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 396	Dang.....you could'a been Clint Eastwood! __________________ If you feel that you're pretty important...you should think about your significance to the Universe....and re-evaluate ! certified 'soap welder'

June 17, 2016, 08:13 AM	#5
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	Wow! Great shooting! __________________ "If you have to shoot, shoot! Dont talk"

June 17, 2016, 09:24 AM	#6
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Nice shooting! __________________ NRA Life Member

June 17, 2016, 05:30 PM	#12
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,293	Awesome shot. It probably didn't have much energy at that distance, but I woudln't want to find out if my skin is tougher. I know it's not. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 14, 2016, 11:12 AM	#2
5thShock Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2006 Posts: 400	Good stuff, don't let anyone who witnessed it ever forget it.

June 14, 2016, 12:59 PM	#4
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Nice job pard! Who says these old smoke wagons can't be accurate?

June 17, 2016, 09:41 AM	#7
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Wonder what the stopping power would be at that range? Enough to knock a cavalryman/indian off their horse?

June 17, 2016, 12:25 PM	#8
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	With this gun and this load? I doubt it. 18 grains 3F, .457 round ball. I don't think I'd want to be hit with it, but it's no Walker. Based on this: http://www.poconoshooting.com/blackp...allistics.html I'd say you are looking at a muzzle velocity of about 500 fps about a muzzle energy of around 70 ft-lbs. Based on this: http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_...allistics.html Punching the data into Excel and extrapolating I'd say that at 150 yards you are looking at a velocity of 280 fps with an energy of 25 ft-lbs. This is about the same as the muzzle energy of a .22 caliber pellet rifle shooting at 900 fps. I wouldn't want to be shot with it. Steve

June 17, 2016, 03:26 PM	#9
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,712	Let's see that shot with a service load. Those of who have fired black powder revolver have usually found the sights adjusted for longer ranges than we modern shooters usually fire at.

June 17, 2016, 04:50 PM	#11
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	I'm surprised 18 grains would push a .44 ball that far.

June 17, 2016, 06:27 PM	#13
brazosdave Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2012 Location: Crockett, Texas Posts: 363	That would be cool to test out with a service load. I haven't altered any of mine for competition sight wise, but then again, I'm not sure i'm a good enough shot to hit the target ole Mailemaker did.

June 17, 2016, 06:35 PM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,376	If you can do it once it's repeatable. It's just a matter of figuring out where on the barrel to use as a sight base so you can keep the front sight on target.

June 17, 2016, 09:15 PM	#15
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	I actually shot at it 3 times when unloading the 6th round, only the first attempt hit. However, I have done this similarly with my Colt Walker with 45 grains 3F. Probably a 120 yard shot on that one. I also hit it the same day as the 1858 with my 1842 smoothbore musket from about 130 yards. Steve

June 20, 2016, 05:34 PM	#16
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	So over here: http://www.n-ssa.net/vbforum/showthr...ed=1#post55418 He got an average of 588 fps with 18 grains 3F. Goex. So according to the ballistic calculator above, at 150 yards that is about 335 fps and about 35 ft-lb in energy. Steve

June 21, 2016, 04:47 PM	#17
swathdiver Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 335	Paper and computer ballistics are not a valid comparison with regards to round balls powered by black powder. They kill far out of proportion and more effectively than their paper ballistics suggest. __________________ “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” - Job 38:3