30-06 load help please.

Jayc7633 · February 25, 2015, 11:53 PM

I'm having a hard time finding a load with alliant realoder 19 powder.
Does anyone have the current Hornady guide? I need load data for the following.

Caliber: 30-06 Springfield
Bullet: 150gr Sst
Powder: Reloader 19

If you could just list the upper and lower listed powder charges and suggest overall cartridge length, I would be very thankful.

1stmar · February 26, 2015, 12:12 AM

Alliant site says 62 gr, believe that is mas load.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...3&cartridge=81

Starting load is 53.3 according to sierras manual.

Will-j · February 26, 2015, 02:16 AM

JAYC; Nothing in HORNADY #9 for 150Gr: NOSLER's #7 lists 57.5Gr.@2776 FPS(start) & 61.5Gr. @2982(max) in24"LILJA barrel. with their 150Gr. bullets.
NOSLER says it's the most accurate powder tested.
WILL
( I've loaded both SSTs and Ballistic Tips/Partitions with no pressure problems using the same load data.) Good Luck.

hooligan1 · February 26, 2015, 06:18 AM

57.5 grns of rl19, 150 grn Btip is a very consistant load in a few of my rifles, no pressure signs but velocity not measured by us yet.

JefferS · February 26, 2015, 07:57 AM

We (hooligan1 and myself) measured some of my RL-19 loads

57.5 gr RL-19
Nosler 150 gr BT, #30150
Lake City Brass, trim=2.487"
CCI #200
COAL: 3.271"

and I got the following result (five rounds):

1. High was 2619
2. Low was 2599
3. Average was 2606
4. Extreme spread: 20
5. Standard Deviation: 8

This was a pretty accurate load for the rifle I was using. Now that I know more, I want to go back and play with it a little more and see if I can make it better, mostly in the trim and COAL and see how sensitive to powder variations it is. But this one just worked, so I haven't messed with it for awhile. They were some of my very first loads and I can't deny that they're accurate and there's no pressure signs.

Bart B. · February 26, 2015, 08:55 AM

Rarely does a powder as slow as Re19 shoot 150's from a .30-06 as powders in the 4895 range do as far as accuracy is concerned.

That combination's quite a mismatch in my opinion. There's a good reason the arsenals chose IMR4895 for the 150-gr. bullets in M1903's and M1 service rifles shooting .30-06 ammoi. Same for folks shooting 150-grain bullets in .30-06 match rifles. That powder's burn rate produces very repeatable pressure curves with 150's. Powders in the 4831 and Re19 range (identical speeds?) are best with 220 grain bullets in the .30-06 case if accuracy's important.

JefferS · February 26, 2015, 09:32 AM

I should have mentioned that my tests were with a 1903-A3.

I was probably within 1 - 1.5 MOA with it. Most of it was probably due to my exceptional skills (that's a butt-load of sarcasm about my skill, by the way). I was just trying to get something quick that could get my elusive first deer (my source of sarcasm

). I haven't got back to that rifle with any other powders yet because I got a different deer rifle that I currently use IMR-4350 with (so far). But I can't deny that the RL-19 did decent enough for me at the range.

Why isn't there ever enough time and money to load and shoot all the time with new combinations?

**Unclenick** · February 26, 2015, 11:04 AM

If you play with different powders, look at IMR 4064. It will almost fill the case as well at RL19 for a given velocity, but the charge weight will be lighter and recoil 11% lower.

jmr40 · February 26, 2015, 11:10 AM

I agree. RL19 is not a good choice with 150's. It is a good option for bullets heavier than 180 gr. I've had good luck with and prefer either IMR4350 or H4350 with 150-180 gr bullets. 4895 and 4064 certainly work well too. A lot depends on what you have available. Powder choices are still spotty.

jimbob86 · February 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

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a good reason the arsenals chose IMR4895 for the 150-gr. bullets in M1903's and M1 service rifles shooting .30-06 ammoi.

I surmise that the biggest, most important reason for not shooting powder as slow as RL19 in M1 service rifles would be the tendency of slow powders to do bad things to op rods .... the Garand was designed around a certain pressure curve .... go outside it's design parameters ..... bad things can happen to the envelope if you insist on pushing on it ....

hooligan1 · February 26, 2015, 11:26 AM

Maybe not a powder most would try, but when JeffrS started rl19 was the only powder he could find, and the Nosler manual called for it, and it is a very consist loading with a low standard deviation as well as extreme spread...
Its fine.

GeauxTide · February 26, 2015, 03:22 PM

I've tried slower powders, like 760 and 4350 with 150s and my results mirror the others. In six different rifles of different manufacture, 52gr of 4064 puts 150 Hornady, Speer, Sierra, and Nosler BT into 5/8" or less. One grain off of book max and about 85% case full. 2900 at the chrony, too.

Dufus · February 26, 2015, 06:02 PM

All of my 06s prefer H4895 with 150s. Groups average from 3/8" to 1.125" between 5 different rifles. Velocities average from 2864 to 2946 between them.

I agree that RL19 is too slow for good velocities with a 150 gr bullet, but when it is all you have, make it work for you.

William T. Watts · February 26, 2015, 07:40 PM

If you have no other choice of powder I would encourage you to use a magnum primer with this double base slow burner especially if you will be shooting in a cold environment.. William

February 25, 2015, 11:53 PM	#1
Jayc7633 Junior Member Join Date: February 25, 2015 Posts: 1	30-06 load help please. I'm having a hard time finding a load with alliant realoder 19 powder. Does anyone have the current Hornady guide? I need load data for the following. Caliber: 30-06 Springfield Bullet: 150gr Sst Powder: Reloader 19 If you could just list the upper and lower listed powder charges and suggest overall cartridge length, I would be very thankful.

February 26, 2015, 06:18 AM	#4
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,593	57.5 grns of rl19, 150 grn Btip is a very consistant load in a few of my rifles, no pressure signs but velocity not measured by us yet. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

February 26, 2015, 07:57 AM	#5
JefferS Member Join Date: April 27, 2013 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 89	We (hooligan1 and myself) measured some of my RL-19 loads 57.5 gr RL-19 Nosler 150 gr BT, #30150 Lake City Brass, trim=2.487" CCI #200 COAL: 3.271" and I got the following result (five rounds): 1. High was 2619 2. Low was 2599 3. Average was 2606 4. Extreme spread: 20 5. Standard Deviation: 8 This was a pretty accurate load for the rifle I was using. Now that I know more, I want to go back and play with it a little more and see if I can make it better, mostly in the trim and COAL and see how sensitive to powder variations it is. But this one just worked, so I haven't messed with it for awhile. They were some of my very first loads and I can't deny that they're accurate and there's no pressure signs. __________________ *Jeff* Last edited by JefferS; February 26, 2015 at 08:12 AM.

February 26, 2015, 11:04 AM	#8
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,122	If you play with different powders, look at IMR 4064. It will almost fill the case as well at RL19 for a given velocity, but the charge weight will be lighter and recoil 11% lower. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

February 26, 2015, 11:26 AM	#11
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,593	Maybe not a powder most would try, but when JeffrS started rl19 was the only powder he could find, and the Nosler manual called for it, and it is a very consist loading with a low standard deviation as well as extreme spread... Its fine. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

February 26, 2015, 12:12 AM	#2
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	Alliant site says 62 gr, believe that is mas load. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...3&cartridge=81 Starting load is 53.3 according to sierras manual.

February 26, 2015, 02:16 AM	#3
Will-j Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2014 Location: SW Ga. Near Ft. Benning Posts: 251	R-19 Load/.30-06 JAYC; Nothing in HORNADY #9 for 150Gr: NOSLER's #7 lists 57.5Gr.@2776 FPS(start) & 61.5Gr. @2982(max) in24"LILJA barrel. with their 150Gr. bullets. NOSLER says it's the most accurate powder tested. WILL ( I've loaded both SSTs and Ballistic Tips/Partitions with no pressure problems using the same load data.) Good Luck. Last edited by Will-j; February 26, 2015 at 02:25 AM.

February 26, 2015, 08:55 AM	#6
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 8,927	Rarely does a powder as slow as Re19 shoot 150's from a .30-06 as powders in the 4895 range do as far as accuracy is concerned. That combination's quite a mismatch in my opinion. There's a good reason the arsenals chose IMR4895 for the 150-gr. bullets in M1903's and M1 service rifles shooting .30-06 ammoi. Same for folks shooting 150-grain bullets in .30-06 match rifles. That powder's burn rate produces very repeatable pressure curves with 150's. Powders in the 4831 and Re19 range (identical speeds?) are best with 220 grain bullets in the .30-06 case if accuracy's important.

February 26, 2015, 09:32 AM	#7
JefferS Member Join Date: April 27, 2013 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 89	I should have mentioned that my tests were with a 1903-A3. I was probably within 1 - 1.5 MOA with it. Most of it was probably due to my exceptional skills (that's a butt-load of sarcasm about my skill, by the way). I was just trying to get something quick that could get my elusive first deer (my source of sarcasm ). I haven't got back to that rifle with any other powders yet because I got a different deer rifle that I currently use IMR-4350 with (so far). But I can't deny that the RL-19 did decent enough for me at the range. Why isn't there ever enough time and money to load and shoot all the time with new combinations? __________________ *Jeff*

February 26, 2015, 11:10 AM	#9
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,830	I agree. RL19 is not a good choice with 150's. It is a good option for bullets heavier than 180 gr. I've had good luck with and prefer either IMR4350 or H4350 with 150-180 gr bullets. 4895 and 4064 certainly work well too. A lot depends on what you have available. Powder choices are still spotty.

February 26, 2015, 03:22 PM	#12
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,433	I've tried slower powders, like 760 and 4350 with 150s and my results mirror the others. In six different rifles of different manufacture, 52gr of 4064 puts 150 Hornady, Speer, Sierra, and Nosler BT into 5/8" or less. One grain off of book max and about 85% case full. 2900 at the chrony, too.

February 26, 2015, 06:02 PM	#13
Dufus Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2014 Posts: 1,965	All of my 06s prefer H4895 with 150s. Groups average from 3/8" to 1.125" between 5 different rifles. Velocities average from 2864 to 2946 between them. I agree that RL19 is too slow for good velocities with a 150 gr bullet, but when it is all you have, make it work for you.

February 26, 2015, 07:40 PM	#14
William T. Watts Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 1,074	If you have no other choice of powder I would encourage you to use a magnum primer with this double base slow burner especially if you will be shooting in a cold environment.. William