Any recommended powders from Hodgdons? - Page 2

mnoirot64 · April 19, 2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jersurf101

I really like IMR 4064 with the 168 and 190 gr projectiles in .308.

IMR 4064 is my favorite powder for 308 loads. It works great for me with 150 and 168 grain bullets.

Kevin Rohrer · April 19, 2014, 10:30 AM

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Any good Hodgdon powders for .44 Mag, .44, Spl, .38Spl or .308?

H110 for .44mag

BLC2 for .308

A basic search here would have gotten you the info you wanted.

NWPilgrim · April 19, 2014, 10:31 AM

Agree with HP38 and Universal for light to medium loads in the magnum and full range in the Specials. Universal will get you to slightly higher velocities.

H110 is great for maximum velocity in the magnum but you are not suppose to download it more than 3%, so N110 would be good to fill in between top end Universal and below H110.

Several good powders for .308. I would start with BL-C2 (ball powder) which was used for military loads. And Varget or H4895 the 150 gr bullets, both short stick powders. For heavier bullets H4350 would be good to try.

Pond, James Pond · April 19, 2014, 11:03 AM

Thanks to those who have answered so far.

HP38 and Universal are the only ones that have come up regularly that the shop sells. I may have to ask about H110: seems too good not to try!

For the .308, only one seems to be sold (I don't remember seeing the BL-C2 powder): H4895, so I may try it or N140 next. Those who have shot it say it is very good for .308...

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A basic search here would have gotten you the info you wanted.

True, but not with the ideal comparison to VV powders which was part of the context.

buck460XVR · April 19, 2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by NWPilrrim:

H110 is great for maximum velocity in the magnum but you are not suppose to download it more than 3%

I see this stated all the time, but still, if one goes to the Hodgdon website, you'll see they download H110/W296 approx. 11% in their own recipes. I've found that a firm crimp and magnum primers are more important to proper ignition of them, than the extra 7-8%.

IMR4227, while it is not a Hodgdon powder per se, is still distributed by them and if available, an excellent powder for .44 mag, especially in long piped revolvers and carbines.

skizzums · April 19, 2014, 11:32 AM

yeah, i am not sure where the 3% thing comes from for H110, does that mean from the starting load or from the max? because they list loads where the spread is more than 11% between min and max, my favorite carbine load is about 15% from max, but thats using a 20inch barrel, maybe that takes the 3% rule out of play

Pond, James Pond · April 19, 2014, 12:47 PM

Not sure what is meant by this "3%" issue.

Can someone explain?

Please use simple english and type slowly so I can keep up!!

WESHOOT2 · April 19, 2014, 01:31 PM

They're talking about the percentage of charge weight reduction from the published MAX.

Which I find backwards, as I try to determine a safe 'Start' load, then work my way up.

Pond, James Pond · April 19, 2014, 02:04 PM

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They're talking about the percentage of charge weight reduction from the published MAX.

Does this narrow window mean that H110 is not a progressive powder in the way N110 is?

RC20 · April 20, 2014, 11:53 AM

James: I am not up on what is progressive and non, so go with the ohter, but I think H110 is old school plain powder.

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H110 for .44mag

BLC2 for .308

A basic search here would have gotten you the info you wanted.

I thought that was a bit snarky. A basic search gets you an overload of information.

I don't mind answering in the least James questions or at least what I can. And those two powders are opinions not facts and it helps to have conversations in regards to the OPs specific request in comparisons on the VV powders he is shooting.

buck460XVR · April 20, 2014, 12:20 PM

I too do not know what a progressive powder is. H110/W296 have a narrow parameter, but within that parameter work very well. They are clean burning, measure extremely well thru a powder thrower and are impossible to double charge in a magnum case. They are also extremely safe and accurate when used at published charges.

RC20 · April 20, 2014, 01:33 PM

To clear it up, I know what a progressive powder is, I just am not postive that H-110 is not (I don't think so but............) It was made well before progresvie powders came into existence.

The progressive powders burn at different rates as the mix goes boom in the cartridge (hopefully)

As such they have a longer pressure dwell time but at a lower peak than normal powders.

Pond, James Pond · April 20, 2014, 03:11 PM

The term progressive as I used it was from another thread in which a member described N110 as very progressive.

That is to say that the increase in pressure, compared to the increase in charge, was linear and predictable meaning that when working with unlisted component combinations (as I often seem to be), the likelihood of unpleasant pressure spikes.

I tell you... From the point of view of a novice reloader, that is gold dust!!

H110 still sounds very interesting, despite the technical challenges. I'll have to see if they can order!

April 19, 2014, 10:31 AM	#28
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,357	Agree with HP38 and Universal for light to medium loads in the magnum and full range in the Specials. Universal will get you to slightly higher velocities. H110 is great for maximum velocity in the magnum but you are not suppose to download it more than 3%, so N110 would be good to fill in between top end Universal and below H110. Several good powders for .308. I would start with BL-C2 (ball powder) which was used for military loads. And Varget or H4895 the 150 gr bullets, both short stick powders. For heavier bullets H4350 would be good to try.

April 19, 2014, 11:32 AM	#31
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	yeah, i am not sure where the 3% thing comes from for H110, does that mean from the starting load or from the max? because they list loads where the spread is more than 11% between min and max, my favorite carbine load is about 15% from max, but thats using a 20inch barrel, maybe that takes the 3% rule out of play

April 19, 2014, 12:47 PM	#32
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Not sure what is meant by this "3%" issue. Can someone explain? Please use simple english and type slowly so I can keep up!!

April 19, 2014, 01:31 PM	#33
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	They're talking about the percentage of charge weight reduction from the published MAX. Which I find backwards, as I try to determine a safe 'Start' load, then work my way up.

April 20, 2014, 12:20 PM	#36
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	I too do not know what a progressive powder is. H110/W296 have a narrow parameter, but within that parameter work very well. They are clean burning, measure extremely well thru a powder thrower and are impossible to double charge in a magnum case. They are also extremely safe and accurate when used at published charges.

April 20, 2014, 01:33 PM	#37
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,334	To clear it up, I know what a progressive powder is, I just am not postive that H-110 is not (I don't think so but............) It was made well before progresvie powders came into existence. The progressive powders burn at different rates as the mix goes boom in the cartridge (hopefully) As such they have a longer pressure dwell time but at a lower peak than normal powders.

April 20, 2014, 03:11 PM	#38
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	The term progressive as I used it was from another thread in which a member described N110 as very progressive. That is to say that the increase in pressure, compared to the increase in charge, was linear and predictable meaning that when working with unlisted component combinations (as I often seem to be), the likelihood of unpleasant pressure spikes. I tell you... From the point of view of a novice reloader, that is gold dust!! H110 still sounds very interesting, despite the technical challenges. I'll have to see if they can order!