Lucas gun oil - Page 2

BoogieMan · April 27, 2012, 08:27 AM

No difinitive test. But the action on my 96 is butter after using the Lucas oil. I think it would be after being freshly oiled no matter what I used. It is heavier than 3 in 1 oil.

What is proper lubing on a semi-auto pistol. I oiled the trigger, hammer, firing pin, stop block and slide. Basicaly everything that has motion.
Should a slide be oiled, greased or left clean and dry?

zombieslayer · April 27, 2012, 08:55 AM

I use amsoil leftover from my car oil changes to lube the rails of the slide.

danez71 · April 27, 2012, 09:08 AM

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OK, here's my opinion of Lucas Gun Oil based on reading the MSDS and Spec sheet.

It's oil.

I'm not saying it's horrible, but neigther is 3 in 1 oil either.

From Lucas:

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•Use on fishing reels
•Excellent household oil

Sound familiar? Cuz it's oil

3 in 1 oil and Lucus gun oil are very different to their core.

http://www.lucasoil.com/images/media.../MSDS10006.pdf

http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf...in58412697.pdf

To start.... 3 in 1 is consider a naphthenic oil and Lucus gun oil is a paraffinic oil.

Walt Sherrill · April 27, 2012, 10:33 AM

Re: sperm whale oil in autos...

From the Straight Dope... It was once so:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...with-whale-oil

C0untZer0 · April 27, 2012, 12:02 PM

I wasn't trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is the same as 3 in 1.

I'm just saying that Lucas is not bad for your pistol, but neither is 3 in 1 or a lot of other GP lubricants.

Unless there are ASTM tests associated with it, or corrosion tests associated with it, you don't know how "good" it is.

I think Mobile One is missing out on a great marketing opportnunity, Instead of calling it Mobile One they should call it Mobile One Hundred and One and list 100 other uses for it:

Fishing reels
Bicycle chains
Bicycle geers
Squeaky hinges
Automatic garage door openers..
etc, etc ...

C0untZer0 · April 27, 2012, 12:08 PM

I love lubrication threads and I love grease and oil and all that stuff. I purchased copper lube - like what comes in a Glock, but then after actually using it in my Glock I thought there was way better grease to use in it - just based on how it felt cycling it when dry-firing.

I put it on my bicycle chain and it worked great !

My gears stopped clicking, it became easier to shift, and when I rode on white gravel bike paths - it hardly picked up any dust.

I expected dust, I guess that's lime, but it didn't really collect it.

KyJim · April 27, 2012, 03:04 PM

I use Mobil One 5W-30 on the rails but motor oils were not primarily designed for corrosion resistance. That's why I wipe down the slides with CLP before applying the motor oil.

C0untZer0 · April 27, 2012, 04:29 PM

I think it's pretty difficult to get one single product that does all three things well - Cleans Protects Lubricates.

I have to hand it to Breakfree CLP though - it does a pretty good job at all three.

I use 4 different substances to do those things.

I use Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax for the exterior of the slide. Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax is fairly oily, it also is PH neutral and has no abrasives in it.

I waxed the slides on my G34 and 17L and I like it. It is easier to grip the slide than if it had a light coat of oil on it. And it's more protected than if the slide were wiped completely dry. The slide ends up with a fairly hydrophobic coating on top of the gun's finish.

**JohnKSa** · April 27, 2012, 10:58 PM

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So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.

The fact that I referred to the results but didn't post a link only means I didn't post a link, it doesn't mean that the results don't exist and it doesn't mean I'm assuming anything.

The tests are the ones linked to by Walt. The one I was thinking of specifically was the one from the 6mmbr site. It's been posted on TFL a number of times, including 3 or 4 times by me.

The motor oil provided the least corrosion protection of any of the tested products with the possible exception of FP10.

DaleA · April 27, 2012, 11:53 PM

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Just placed the order but im out a couple weeks till delivery. NJ permits. Can only use 1 in a 30 day period.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/...on-specialist/

Very nice! I'm looking forward to a new thread in the semi-auto forum when you get it and have a chance to test it out!

C0untZer0 · April 28, 2012, 06:13 PM

I did look at the MSDS before I made my first post, but I didn't say "Looking at the MSDS.. this, IMO looks like plain oil" I just said it was oil. So I should have qualified my first post, and I didn't, but I'm not trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is horrible or anything, I'm just saying that, to me, it looks like a fairly simple oil.

An MSDS does not have to reveal every ingredient in the product, it just has to tell emergency crews how to deal with a spill BUT If you look at the MSDS of something like Breakfree CLP or Weaponshield and some other similar products, they have 3 or 4 components to them - significantly different enough from each other to warrant separate mention on the MSDS sheet, whereas Lucus Gun Oil is just hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillate - which is a general term and synonymous with another general term - oil.

And as far as motor oil versus Lucas Gun Oil, I'm betting they're pretty similar, but that's just my opinion.

**JohnKSa** · April 28, 2012, 08:28 PM

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An MSDS does not have to reveal every ingredient in the product...

Correct, I was merely providing an example.

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And as far as motor oil versus Lucas Gun Oil, I'm betting they're pretty similar, but that's just my opinion.

I guess it depends on what one means by similar. What generally makes one type of oil (e.g. gun oil vs. motor oil) different from another is the application specific additives that the manufacturer adds to the base lubricant. In one sense, all oils are pretty similar in that the majority of the oil is "just oil". In another sense, given that the additive package is really the main distinguishing factor between oils, they're all pretty different in that respect.

To provide a rough idea, the additive package for a typical motor oil is probably less than 5% of the weight of the formula based on what I can find with basic internet search. Back when companies were less cagey about their MSDS content, I looked through some MSDS data for gun specific products and found that it wasn't terribly uncommon for the product to be made up of about 20-25% application specific additives.

C0untZer0 · April 28, 2012, 09:35 PM

I'm wondering if some of these companies - like CLP BreakFree are just being dumb about their MSDS.

CLP Breakfree's MSDS:

Isodecyl Pelargonate
Petroleum Distillates, Hydrotreated Light
1-Decene, dimer, hydrogenated
Polyalphaolefin

Lucas gun oil product description is "Base Oil and Additives" The only item listed in the MSDS is:

Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic Distillate

If CLP could get away with just listing Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillates, I'd think they would, but maybe not.

There could be an error in my logic but I think CLP is more than just oil with an additive package.

I think I'm going back to "Bob is the Oil Guy" forum to ask them this... I know that detergents often go in an additive package and zink, and sometimes PTFE, and other stuff. I'm not sure if Isodecyl Pelargonate and hydrogenated 1-Decene, dimer would be found in additive packages.

Well, I'm off !!!

**JohnKSa** · April 28, 2012, 10:11 PM

I've noticed that they're being very careful about what they put in their MSDS these days.

Maybe 5 years ago, the BF CLP MSDS was MUCH more specific and contained entries like:

Polyalphaolefin synthetic oil CAS #: 68037-01-4 Percent by weight: 53.4%

You could read and MSDS and come away with a very good idea of the contents and mix of the product. Now they are very general about the mix and specific ingredients.

drail · April 29, 2012, 10:59 AM

I have been using Breakfree CLP since it was first on the market and it does everything claimed for it. A few years ago after reading about Dexron/ATF I started using it for various tasks,(guns, locks, tools and various and sundry mechanisms in the shop.) It works just as well as CLP for every application I have tried it on. I don't know how long it will last before it starts to evaporate away but it is a extremely good light lubricating oil that will not turn into a gummy varnish like many others will. If you've ever seen the inside of an automatic transmisssion you can understand need for a quality oil that won't break down under a load. And yes, a firearm is not an automatic transmission but a lube that can handle the demands of a transmission should have no trouble keeping a pistol running.

**JohnKSa** · April 29, 2012, 03:59 PM

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A few years ago after reading about Dexron/ATF I started using it for various tasks,(guns, locks, tools and various and sundry mechanisms in the shop.) It works just as well as CLP for every application I have tried it on.

I've seen at least a couple of "experts" opine that for those who aren't happy using gun-specific products, a good quality ATF is a better choice than motor oil.

http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html

In addition, Ed (of Ed's Red fame) advised using 50/50 Kerosene & Dexron II, IIe or III ATF as a gun oil.

http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=9

PawPaw · April 29, 2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zombieslayer

at least in the Subaru community

There's a Subaru community? I learn the neatest things in this forum.

Who'd-a thunk that there would be a Subaru community?

C0untZer0 · April 30, 2012, 03:46 PM

The MSDS for Lubriplate FMO 350-AW ( which is highly recomended by Grant Cunningham) has only 2 components:

1) White mineral oil (petroleum)
2) Proprietary additive package

So either you can put a lot of cool stuff in an additive package and make it a super gun lubricant - in which case Lucas Gun Oil can really be a super product, or both Lucas Gun Oil and Lubriplate FMO 350-AW are fairly simple products with limited capabilities compared to something like Breakfree CLP.

drail · May 1, 2012, 12:20 AM

Just use CLP and don't worry.

April 28, 2012, 10:11 PM	#39
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 25,066	I've noticed that they're being very careful about what they put in their MSDS these days. Maybe 5 years ago, the BF CLP MSDS was MUCH more specific and contained entries like: Polyalphaolefin synthetic oil CAS #: 68037-01-4 Percent by weight: 53.4% You could read and MSDS and come away with a very good idea of the contents and mix of the product. Now they are very general about the mix and specific ingredients. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

April 27, 2012, 08:27 AM	#26
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	No difinitive test. But the action on my 96 is butter after using the Lucas oil. I think it would be after being freshly oiled no matter what I used. It is heavier than 3 in 1 oil. What is proper lubing on a semi-auto pistol. I oiled the trigger, hammer, firing pin, stop block and slide. Basicaly everything that has motion. Should a slide be oiled, greased or left clean and dry?

April 27, 2012, 08:55 AM	#27
zombieslayer Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,198	I use amsoil leftover from my car oil changes to lube the rails of the slide.

April 27, 2012, 10:33 AM	#29
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 6,348	Re: sperm whale oil in autos... From the Straight Dope... It was once so: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...with-whale-oil

April 27, 2012, 12:02 PM	#30
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I wasn't trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is the same as 3 in 1. I'm just saying that Lucas is not bad for your pistol, but neither is 3 in 1 or a lot of other GP lubricants. Unless there are ASTM tests associated with it, or corrosion tests associated with it, you don't know how "good" it is. I think Mobile One is missing out on a great marketing opportnunity, Instead of calling it Mobile One they should call it Mobile One Hundred and One and list 100 other uses for it: Fishing reels Bicycle chains Bicycle geers Squeaky hinges Automatic garage door openers.. etc, etc ...

April 27, 2012, 12:08 PM	#31
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I love lubrication threads and I love grease and oil and all that stuff. I purchased copper lube - like what comes in a Glock, but then after actually using it in my Glock I thought there was way better grease to use in it - just based on how it felt cycling it when dry-firing. I put it on my bicycle chain and it worked great ! My gears stopped clicking, it became easier to shift, and when I rode on white gravel bike paths - it hardly picked up any dust. I expected dust, I guess that's lime, but it didn't really collect it.

April 27, 2012, 03:04 PM	#32
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,142	I use Mobil One 5W-30 on the rails but motor oils were not primarily designed for corrosion resistance. That's why I wipe down the slides with CLP before applying the motor oil.

April 27, 2012, 04:29 PM	#33
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I think it's pretty difficult to get one single product that does all three things well - Cleans Protects Lubricates. I have to hand it to Breakfree CLP though - it does a pretty good job at all three. I use 4 different substances to do those things. I use Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax for the exterior of the slide. Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax is fairly oily, it also is PH neutral and has no abrasives in it. I waxed the slides on my G34 and 17L and I like it. It is easier to grip the slide than if it had a light coat of oil on it. And it's more protected than if the slide were wiped completely dry. The slide ends up with a fairly hydrophobic coating on top of the gun's finish.

April 28, 2012, 06:13 PM	#36
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I did look at the MSDS before I made my first post, but I didn't say "Looking at the MSDS.. this, IMO looks like plain oil" I just said it was oil. So I should have qualified my first post, and I didn't, but I'm not trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is horrible or anything, I'm just saying that, to me, it looks like a fairly simple oil. An MSDS does not have to reveal every ingredient in the product, it just has to tell emergency crews how to deal with a spill *BUT* If you look at the MSDS of something like Breakfree CLP or Weaponshield and some other similar products, they have 3 or 4 components to them - significantly different enough from each other to warrant separate mention on the MSDS sheet, whereas Lucus Gun Oil is just hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillate - which is a general term and synonymous with another general term - oil. And as far as motor oil versus Lucas Gun Oil, I'm betting they're pretty similar, but that's just my opinion.

April 28, 2012, 09:35 PM	#38
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I'm wondering if some of these companies - like CLP BreakFree are just being dumb about their MSDS. CLP Breakfree's MSDS: Isodecyl Pelargonate Petroleum Distillates, Hydrotreated Light 1-Decene, dimer, hydrogenated Polyalphaolefin Lucas gun oil product description is "Base Oil and Additives" The only item listed in the MSDS is: Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic Distillate If CLP could get away with just listing Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillates, I'd think they would, but maybe not. There could be an error in my logic but I think CLP is more than just oil with an additive package. I think I'm going back to "Bob is the Oil Guy" forum to ask them this... I know that detergents often go in an additive package and zink, and sometimes PTFE, and other stuff. I'm not sure if Isodecyl Pelargonate and hydrogenated 1-Decene, dimer would be found in additive packages. Well, I'm off !!!

April 29, 2012, 10:59 AM	#40
drail Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2008 Posts: 3,150	I have been using Breakfree CLP since it was first on the market and it does everything claimed for it. A few years ago after reading about Dexron/ATF I started using it for various tasks,(guns, locks, tools and various and sundry mechanisms in the shop.) It works just as well as CLP for every application I have tried it on. I don't know how long it will last before it starts to evaporate away but it is a extremely good light lubricating oil that will not turn into a gummy varnish like many others will. If you've ever seen the inside of an automatic transmisssion you can understand need for a quality oil that won't break down under a load. And yes, a firearm is not an automatic transmission but a lube that can handle the demands of a transmission should have no trouble keeping a pistol running.

April 30, 2012, 03:46 PM	#43
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	The MSDS for Lubriplate FMO 350-AW ( which is highly recomended by Grant Cunningham) has only 2 components: 1) White mineral oil (petroleum) 2) Proprietary additive package So either you can put a lot of cool stuff in an additive package and make it a super gun lubricant - in which case Lucas Gun Oil can really be a super product, or both Lucas Gun Oil and Lubriplate FMO 350-AW are fairly simple products with limited capabilities compared to something like Breakfree CLP.

May 1, 2012, 12:20 AM	#44
drail Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2008 Posts: 3,150	Just use CLP and don't worry.