Col 45 acp

Steelers Fan · September 17, 2009, 11:56 AM

I have loaded 50 rounds of .45 ACP using 185 grain Hornady Hollow points over 5.7 grains of Bullseye with a COL averaging 1.206” which is the receipt I got out of the Speer #14 reloading manual (the manual stated a COL of 1.2” for Speer Gold Dot HP 185 grain).

Unfortunately I thought I could substitute the Hornady Hollow points over the Gold Dot’s. After my mistake, I e-mailed Hornady to get the COL for there bullets and the Rep gave me a COL of 1.230”.

The question is; should I take the 50 rounds apart I put together and start over, or are these safe to shoot. I e-mailed Hornady this morning (should hear something back soon), but wanted to get your feedback as well.

DavidM55 · September 17, 2009, 01:31 PM

Speer gives a max load of 6.4 on the Bullseye so I'd say your safe.

margiesex · September 17, 2009, 03:16 PM

My 50th Anniversary Sierra says it'll be warm, but you're OK.

Be an interesting load, can't say that my autos shoot heavy loads well, but my wheel guns just love 'em!

God bless and good shooting.

Margiesex

And remember: Hug your God and your guns - 'cause he's coming for them both, and soon!

FORKLIFT352 · September 17, 2009, 07:56 PM

Load up a clip "cycle" the rounds.If they don't hang up you should be fine.
Some of my first rounds were a little "deep" but I corrected.At the time
I had no way of pulling them....so I shot them....I only type with two
fingers any way...

Ozzieman · September 18, 2009, 09:53 AM

My guess is Hornady is going to send you back lawyereese in the form of "DONT SHOOT THEM!".
I agree with margiesex (some name

) it will be a little hot but you should be alright, I would shoot one and take a very good look at the case, if the primer shows a lot of pressure then I would listen to the lawyereese.

Jim243 · September 18, 2009, 10:28 AM

You could use your impact hammer (if you have one) and bring the head out a little bit and re-seat the bullets to the correct OAL. A couple of light taps should do the job unless you crimped the case.

When changing pistol bullets (mfg or type) from a tested load, I usually measure the two bullets for length. Example - 9mm Remington 124 gr JHP to Winchester 124 gr FMJ, I will take the difference and adjust the OAL.

Rem JHP = 0.566
Win FMJ = 0.586

Diffence = 0.020

Old OAL = 1.120 New OAL = 1.140

You want to make sure that the base of the bullet seats to the same place in the case, that way with the same powder load and case space and bullet weight your pressure should be the same.

You want the volume of space within the case to be the same. As always it is best to test the new load on one or two rounds before loading up a 100 or more.

Stay safe
Jim

Steelers Fan · September 18, 2009, 10:38 AM

The round cycles through the chamber without a problem. Took the gun apart and placed the round in the barrel and took note of its depth, same as a factory HP.

Finally got a response back from Hornady see below; simple and to the point!

I only have the Speer reloading manual and am surprised that the starting load of 5.7 grains is so high comparatively to other reloading manuals. (based on what I am reading here)

Will take your advice and check the first round primer and brass before going through the rest of the lot. I was hesitant about taking them all apart, since I have no bullet puller and I did crimp all 50.

Let you know how they shoot.

-----Original Message-----
From: tech [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:16 PM
To: Melani,Frank
Subject: RE: Technical Inquiries

With a starting charge you should be ok.

TEDDY · September 18, 2009, 02:37 PM

something you can ponder I dont know what my OAL is I seat to front band on SWC.and roll crimp.It all depends on the nose.some are short and some long.seat to front band about 1/32 from end of bullet band. and try, guns are like women there all diferent.main length is base on mag.

September 17, 2009, 03:16 PM	#3
margiesex Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Levittown, PA Posts: 210	Age old Sierra... My 50th Anniversary Sierra says it'll be warm, but you're OK. Be an interesting load, can't say that my autos shoot heavy loads well, but my wheel guns just love 'em! God bless and good shooting. Margiesex And remember: Hug your God and your guns - 'cause he's coming for them both, and soon!

September 18, 2009, 09:53 AM	#5
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	My guess is Hornady is going to send you back lawyereese in the form of "DONT SHOOT THEM!". I agree with margiesex (some name) it will be a little hot but you should be alright, I would shoot one and take a very good look at the case, if the primer shows a lot of pressure then I would listen to the lawyereese.

September 18, 2009, 02:37 PM	#8
TEDDY Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2006 Location: MANNING SC Posts: 837	OAL something you can ponder I dont know what my OAL is I seat to front band on SWC.and roll crimp.It all depends on the nose.some are short and some long.seat to front band about 1/32 from end of bullet band. and try, guns are like women there all diferent.main length is base on mag.

September 17, 2009, 11:56 AM	#1
Steelers Fan Junior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 9	Col 45 acp I have loaded 50 rounds of .45 ACP using 185 grain Hornady Hollow points over 5.7 grains of Bullseye with a COL averaging 1.206” which is the receipt I got out of the Speer #14 reloading manual (the manual stated a COL of 1.2” for Speer Gold Dot HP 185 grain). Unfortunately I thought I could substitute the Hornady Hollow points over the Gold Dot’s. After my mistake, I e-mailed Hornady to get the COL for there bullets and the Rep gave me a COL of 1.230”. The question is; should I take the 50 rounds apart I put together and start over, or are these safe to shoot. I e-mailed Hornady this morning (should hear something back soon), but wanted to get your feedback as well.

September 17, 2009, 01:31 PM	#2
DavidM55 Junior Member Join Date: July 12, 2009 Posts: 12	Speer gives a max load of 6.4 on the Bullseye so I'd say your safe.

September 17, 2009, 07:56 PM	#4
FORKLIFT352 Member Join Date: July 18, 2009 Posts: 29	Load up a clip "cycle" the rounds.If they don't hang up you should be fine. Some of my first rounds were a little "deep" but I corrected.At the time I had no way of pulling them....so I shot them....I only type with two fingers any way...

September 18, 2009, 10:28 AM	#6
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	You could use your impact hammer (if you have one) and bring the head out a little bit and re-seat the bullets to the correct OAL. A couple of light taps should do the job unless you crimped the case. When changing pistol bullets (mfg or type) from a tested load, I usually measure the two bullets for length. Example - 9mm Remington 124 gr JHP to Winchester 124 gr FMJ, I will take the difference and adjust the OAL. Rem JHP = 0.566 Win FMJ = 0.586 Diffence = 0.020 Old OAL = 1.120 New OAL = 1.140 You want to make sure that the base of the bullet seats to the same place in the case, that way with the same powder load and case space and bullet weight your pressure should be the same. You want the volume of space within the case to be the same. As always it is best to test the new load on one or two rounds before loading up a 100 or more. Stay safe Jim

September 18, 2009, 10:38 AM	#7
Steelers Fan Junior Member Join Date: August 27, 2009 Posts: 9	The round cycles through the chamber without a problem. Took the gun apart and placed the round in the barrel and took note of its depth, same as a factory HP. Finally got a response back from Hornady see below; simple and to the point! I only have the Speer reloading manual and am surprised that the starting load of 5.7 grains is so high comparatively to other reloading manuals. (based on what I am reading here) Will take your advice and check the first round primer and brass before going through the rest of the lot. I was hesitant about taking them all apart, since I have no bullet puller and I did crimp all 50. Let you know how they shoot. -----Original Message----- From: tech [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:16 PM To: Melani,Frank Subject: RE: Technical Inquiries With a starting charge you should be ok.