Which Primer?

Servant · January 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

When I was first getting my consumables, I went into a LGS and told them what I was reloading, and asked what primers I should use, and the fella told me I should look in the book, with the load data I was using to determine which brand I needed. Well, when I look in the "Modern Reloading" book, I see nothing about brand, just the size. In the Hornady I do see a brand with it, but I am wondering how big a difference it makes as to brand. From the way the fella at the store said it, it was safe/unsafe difference. Opinions/views?

Brian Pfleuger · January 24, 2012, 04:00 PM

Brand doesn't generally matter as long as you're following the reloader's creed "Start low and work up!"

There are preferences, and exceptions... for example, an exception being that certain auto-loading guns can slam-fire with certain primers....

Otherwise, large rifle for large rifle, small pistol for small pistol..... etc, etc... don't need magnums unless load data says so....

I use CCI BR (bench rest) for rifle loads. Federal match primers are also popular for precision rifle (not so much for auto-loaders I guess due to the slam fire thing but I could be mistaken)....

Lots of people see no need for match primers at all, and they are more expensive.

m&p45acp10+1 · January 24, 2012, 04:03 PM

For me type trumps brand in most situations. If switching primes I use the starting load, and work up.

Exceptions to this are using standard Remington Small Rifle primers for loading .223, There is a warning on the box about not using them. I made the mistake early on and pierced one in my Savage. I used the rest of them for 9 mm which they worked just fine for.

Oh I also use CCI small rifle primers in place of pistol primers if in a pinch, though I check with a starting load and work up. Also I check them in each pistol I am going to use them in, to assure the firing pin will crush them.

Catfish · January 24, 2012, 08:47 PM

I once did some experminting with different brands of primers. I was totally confused with what I found. Useing the same load and only different primers I found that some times with some powders I would get exactly the same velocity with standard and mag primers useing several different brands. I think I was useing 8 different primers. With other powders the primers had a very large difference in velocity. What totally baffeled me was that with 1 powder I started showing persure signs with standard primers long before I saw presure signs with mag. primers.

The only thing I am sure of is that you can never be sure what will happen when you change primers.

Brian Pfleuger · January 24, 2012, 09:54 PM

I did a small experiment like that myself, Catfish.

Regular and magnum primers in 357sig.... no difference in velocity whatsoever.

rclark · January 24, 2012, 10:17 PM

All depends on the powder. For example Unique is primer insensitive. Only a few fps difference. On the other hand, 2400 is primer sensitive (example Ruger .45 Colt load -> CCI-300 1022, WLP 1123, CCI-350 1181) . Over 150fps difference in test I ran. Then some powders like H-110 and IMR 4227 require a magnum primer for good performance. So, it is all about the powder. Unless you are the 'bleeding' edge it usually doesn't matter. When you are, you back off and work back up with the new primer.

dacaur · January 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

It doesn't matter what primer you use to develop your load, as long as its the right type (magnum/non magnum, etc) whats important is that once you develop a load with a specific primer, you keep using that specific primer, and if you have to switch primers for whatever reason, you need to reduce the load 10% and work up. Many times it will make no difference. However sometimes It does, and you dont want to be the poor sap that happens to find the primer/powder/brass/bullet/crimp combo that does bad things to your gun and/or you when you switch primers, right?

Anyone that says anything different goes on my *dont listen to that person* list...

January 24, 2012, 03:45 PM	#1
Servant Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 116	Which Primer? When I was first getting my consumables, I went into a LGS and told them what I was reloading, and asked what primers I should use, and the fella told me I should look in the book, with the load data I was using to determine which brand I needed. Well, when I look in the "Modern Reloading" book, I see nothing about brand, just the size. In the Hornady I do see a brand with it, but I am wondering how big a difference it makes as to brand. From the way the fella at the store said it, it was safe/unsafe difference. Opinions/views? __________________ "If you want to lead, you must first learn to serve, for the 1st shall be last and the last shall be first." If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

January 24, 2012, 04:00 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Western Colorado, finally. Posts: 19,101	Brand doesn't generally matter as long as you're following the reloader's creed "Start low and work up!" There are preferences, and exceptions... for example, an exception being that certain auto-loading guns can slam-fire with certain primers.... Otherwise, large rifle for large rifle, small pistol for small pistol..... etc, etc... don't need magnums unless load data says so.... I use CCI BR (bench rest) for rifle loads. Federal match primers are also popular for precision rifle (not so much for auto-loaders I guess due to the slam fire thing but I could be mistaken).... Lots of people see no need for match primers at all, and they are more expensive. __________________ Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza. --- The problem, as you so eloquently put it, is choice. -The Architect ----- He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose. -Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.

January 24, 2012, 04:03 PM	#3
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,543	For me type trumps brand in most situations. If switching primes I use the starting load, and work up. Exceptions to this are using standard Remington Small Rifle primers for loading .223, There is a warning on the box about not using them. I made the mistake early on and pierced one in my Savage. I used the rest of them for 9 mm which they worked just fine for. Oh I also use CCI small rifle primers in place of pistol primers if in a pinch, though I check with a starting load and work up. Also I check them in each pistol I am going to use them in, to assure the firing pin will crush them. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

January 24, 2012, 10:17 PM	#6
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 1,986	All depends on the powder. For example Unique is primer insensitive. Only a few fps difference. On the other hand, 2400 is primer sensitive (example Ruger .45 Colt load -> CCI-300 1022, WLP 1123, CCI-350 1181) . Over 150fps difference in test I ran. Then some powders like H-110 and IMR 4227 require a magnum primer for good performance. So, it is all about the powder. Unless you are the 'bleeding' edge it usually doesn't matter. When you are, you back off and work back up with the new primer. __________________ A clinger. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes improperly referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. Ok.... the .44Spec is growing on me ... but the .45 Colt is still king.

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January 24, 2012, 08:47 PM	#4
Catfish Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 171	I once did some experminting with different brands of primers. I was totally confused with what I found. Useing the same load and only different primers I found that some times with some powders I would get exactly the same velocity with standard and mag primers useing several different brands. I think I was useing 8 different primers. With other powders the primers had a very large difference in velocity. What totally baffeled me was that with 1 powder I started showing persure signs with standard primers long before I saw presure signs with mag. primers. The only thing I am sure of is that you can never be sure what will happen when you change primers.

January 24, 2012, 09:54 PM	#5
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Western Colorado, finally. Posts: 19,101	I did a small experiment like that myself, Catfish. Regular and magnum primers in 357sig.... no difference in velocity whatsoever.

January 24, 2012, 10:42 PM	#7
dacaur Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2010 Posts: 733	It doesn't matter what primer you use to develop your load, as long as its the right type (magnum/non magnum, etc) whats important is that once you develop a load with a specific primer, you keep using that specific primer, and if you have to switch primers for whatever reason, you need to reduce the load 10% and work up. Many times it will make no difference. However sometimes It does, and you dont want to be the poor sap that happens to find the primer/powder/brass/bullet/crimp combo that does bad things to your gun and/or you when you switch primers, right? Anyone that says anything different goes on my dont listen to that person list...