So, About Bore Size Again...

Josh Smith · September 18, 2011, 03:16 PM

Hi Folks,

I keep reading that the bore size in the Gewehr 88 is supposed to be 0.321" bore by 0.311" or so lands, and that the 0.318" bullet was a holdover from the blackpowder days, but that it was found this caused unacceptable gas erosion so they bumped the bullet to 0.323" to fit the bore.

Now, I've been shooting and cleaning, shooting and cleaning.

First time I slugged the bore I got 0.3165". Now I'm getting 0.318".

That's all well and good -- the crud's gone.

But, why are folks saying these are 0.321" by 0.311"? I do have the "S" conversion.

I'm sort of confused. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Josh

PetahW · September 18, 2011, 04:28 PM

AFAIK, the older "J" bore = .318", & the later "S" (spitzer) bore = .323".

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James K · September 18, 2011, 05:23 PM

Sorry, not correct.

The BORE size of both the old and new rifles is .311". The GROOVE size may differ.

Briefly, here is what happened. The Germans first made the barrels .311" bore, .318" groove. They found that the .0035" deep grooves weren't deep enough and the lands wore and corroded badly after a short time. So they went to deeper grooves, giving a groove diameter of .323", and a groove depth of .006". (All dimensions in U.S. measurements for clarity.)

Since in any modern breech loading rifle, the groove diameter is the bullet diameter, the ammunition was changed to use the larger bullet.

When thousands of 1888 rifles were converted to use the new caliber, the Germans did not rebarrel the rifles or re-rifle the existing barrels. What they did was to simply run a new reamer into the chamber to ream the neck of the chamber. That allows the larger neck of the new cartridge room to expand and release the bullet. If that is not done, there will be a sharp increase in pressure. They seem to not have been overly concerned about firing the larger bullet in a barrel with a smaller groove diameter and in my (limited) tests, I have seen no problem in doing so.

Jim

September 18, 2011, 03:16 PM	#1
Josh Smith member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wabash IN Posts: 740	So, About Bore Size Again... Hi Folks, I keep reading that the bore size in the Gewehr 88 is supposed to be 0.321" bore by 0.311" or so lands, and that the 0.318" bullet was a holdover from the blackpowder days, but that it was found this caused unacceptable gas erosion so they bumped the bullet to 0.323" to fit the bore. Now, I've been shooting and cleaning, shooting and cleaning. First time I slugged the bore I got 0.3165". Now I'm getting 0.318". That's all well and good -- the crud's gone. But, why are folks saying these are 0.321" by 0.311"? I do have the "S" conversion. I'm sort of confused. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Josh

September 18, 2011, 04:28 PM	#2
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	AFAIK, the older "J" bore = .318", & the later "S" (spitzer) bore = .323". .

September 18, 2011, 05:23 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Sorry, not correct. The BORE size of both the old and new rifles is .311". The GROOVE size may differ. Briefly, here is what happened. The Germans first made the barrels .311" bore, .318" groove. They found that the .0035" deep grooves weren't deep enough and the lands wore and corroded badly after a short time. So they went to deeper grooves, giving a groove diameter of .323", and a groove depth of .006". (All dimensions in U.S. measurements for clarity.) Since in any modern breech loading rifle, the groove diameter is the bullet diameter, the ammunition was changed to use the larger bullet. When thousands of 1888 rifles were converted to use the new caliber, the Germans did not rebarrel the rifles or re-rifle the existing barrels. What they did was to simply run a new reamer into the chamber to ream the neck of the chamber. That allows the larger neck of the new cartridge room to expand and release the bullet. If that is not done, there will be a sharp increase in pressure. They seem to not have been overly concerned about firing the larger bullet in a barrel with a smaller groove diameter and in my (limited) tests, I have seen no problem in doing so. Jim