270 WIN - Page 2

cdoc42 · November 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

Thanks, 2ndtimer. I see there are 163 powders listed, more than Lyman's 149. I do NOT see H-414 listed -? Was it discontinued?

We probably should start a separate thread to continue its discussion.

**Unclenick** · November 11, 2020, 05:59 PM

Yes. They discontinued H414 as a separate powder number this year, but it is and always has been the same powder as Winchester 760, a St. Marks powder called WC780 which is not discontinued. They still have plenty of loads listed under H414 at their load data site. You can select it and 760 to see that the charge weights are idential.

cdoc42 · November 12, 2020, 12:03 AM

I have H- and IMR 4350, as well as H414, with which I at some point came to understand it was not that much different than H-4350. Now I find it is the same as W760, which I might have purchased. For years I had H110 and 296 side by side, eventually to find they are the same.
That really should give some of us - mostly me -pause, when picking powders. I have to admit to having fallen prey. Right now I have in my inventory 39 powders that I'm playing with for 17 calibers with no other guidance than relative burning rate, recipes with lower pressures and higher velocities while reviewing a myriad of sources for what I should be doing. Admittedly, I have achieved success more often than failure but at what expense? But then, if the expense is the final determinant, what fun would I have missed in experimenting for 44 years? But we really do need some guidance with powder election that is more precisely clarified to avoid excess expense.

kilotanker22 · November 12, 2020, 10:07 AM

In my opinion, the information is already available. We discuss such topics among other individuals who share the same psssions we do. I believe that just about any powder that is appropriate for a given cartridge will shoot well given a proper load work up and accounting for harmonics.

When I am attempting to pick a powder for a cartridge I am unfamiliar with. I try to pick a powder that is in the slower range of acceptable powders for that cartridge unless I already have something that works well

Pathfinder45 · November 12, 2020, 09:23 PM

Scatterbrain asked:

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Pathfinder45, where are you getting the Norma 205 powder?

Norma N-205 was discontinued decades ago. I found mine at the gunshow and bought a couple of cans from a guy that had several clean, un-opened, well-kept cans of it. I had read a long time ago that it was a good 270 powder, so I thought I'd give it a try. Well, after trying it, I kick myself for not buying all of it! And the guy only wanted $8 a can...what a fool I was! It is just the cat's meow in my 270. On the lucky occasion I have found a little more here and there, but only at gunshows.

RC20 · November 14, 2020, 06:31 PM

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my m70 tack driver uses 4831sc jack conners load

Sorry, H4831 SC did not exist in JOC day!

kilotanker22 · November 14, 2020, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RC20

Sorry, H4831 SC did not exist in JOC day!

Yeah, but H-4831 has been around since 1950. Jack lived until 1978

scatterbrain · November 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

Pathfinder45, I remember when the notice was sent out, Norma warned that it could explode on the shelf and advised to dump it out. It was the best of powders for my 25-06, 280 and 270. Send me a can.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · November 16, 2020, 07:48 PM

Although when using both 4350 & 4831 near or at full MAX charging's. There velocity's are very near the same. The one issue I have with 4831 with 06 capacity brass. (270) Slower burning 4831 seems to have a sharper noticeable recoil than 4350.

Old soldier's with "old shoulders are sensitive too or lack of recoil."

CleanDean · November 16, 2020, 08:18 PM

When I bought my Voere Titan / KDF Rifle ... in a time long long ago, 1986 , a specific hand load accompanied the booklet .
The “worked down “ load using H 4831 stated 57.6 gr. Topped with a SPEER 130 gr. Spitzer #1830. Fed case & primers.
.. The KDF folks Kleinguenther & Keune , Said best accuracy came using this ^^ in my rifle.
For most of you folks , that takes all the fun out of it. SHUCKS.

November 11, 2020, 05:59 PM	#27
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Yes. They discontinued H414 as a separate powder number this year, but it is and always has been the same powder as Winchester 760, a St. Marks powder called WC780 which is not discontinued. They still have plenty of loads listed under H414 at their load data site. You can select it and 760 to see that the charge weights are idential. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

November 12, 2020, 10:07 AM	#29
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	In my opinion, the information is already available. We discuss such topics among other individuals who share the same psssions we do. I believe that just about any powder that is appropriate for a given cartridge will shoot well given a proper load work up and accounting for harmonics. When I am attempting to pick a powder for a cartridge I am unfamiliar with. I try to pick a powder that is in the slower range of acceptable powders for that cartridge unless I already have something that works well __________________ “We do not seek peace in order to be at war, but we go to war that we may have peace. Be peaceful, therefore, in warring, so that you may vanquish those whom you war against, and bring them to the prosperity of peace. – St. Augustine

November 16, 2020, 08:18 PM	#35
CleanDean Member Join Date: March 18, 2012 Location: Penna◇VIGILANT CURMUDGEON Posts: 80	When I bought my Voere Titan / KDF Rifle ... in a time long long ago, 1986 , a specific hand load accompanied the booklet . The “worked down “ load using H 4831 stated 57.6 gr. Topped with a SPEER 130 gr. Spitzer #1830. Fed case & primers. .. The KDF folks Kleinguenther & Keune , Said best accuracy came using this ^^ in my rifle. For most of you folks , that takes all the fun out of it. SHUCKS. __________________ FNH Scar 17 s --Black ; cause it goes so well with my formal wear, for those special occasions. Customized Mini 14 ,& ATI stock and a 3.5 lb.-- Pittsburgh trigger. / SIG P227 / Colt Python 8 in.Nickel / Colt Gold Cup N.M. ; Voere * KDF in .270 ; N. frame S&W revolvers; and TC Contender in 41 Magnum .

November 11, 2020, 12:45 PM	#26
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,687	Thanks, 2ndtimer. I see there are 163 powders listed, more than Lyman's 149. I do NOT see H-414 listed -? Was it discontinued? We probably should start a separate thread to continue its discussion.

November 12, 2020, 12:03 AM	#28
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,687	I have H- and IMR 4350, as well as H414, with which I at some point came to understand it was not that much different than H-4350. Now I find it is the same as W760, which I might have purchased. For years I had H110 and 296 side by side, eventually to find they are the same. That really should give some of us - mostly me -pause, when picking powders. I have to admit to having fallen prey. Right now I have in my inventory 39 powders that I'm playing with for 17 calibers with no other guidance than relative burning rate, recipes with lower pressures and higher velocities while reviewing a myriad of sources for what I should be doing. Admittedly, I have achieved success more often than failure but at what expense? But then, if the expense is the final determinant, what fun would I have missed in experimenting for 44 years? But we really do need some guidance with powder election that is more precisely clarified to avoid excess expense.

November 14, 2020, 10:46 PM	#33
scatterbrain Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2015 Posts: 160	Pathfinder45, I remember when the notice was sent out, Norma warned that it could explode on the shelf and advised to dump it out. It was the best of powders for my 25-06, 280 and 270. Send me a can.

November 16, 2020, 07:48 PM	#34
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Although when using both 4350 & 4831 near or at full MAX charging's. There velocity's are very near the same. The one issue I have with 4831 with 06 capacity brass. (270) Slower burning 4831 seems to have a sharper noticeable recoil than 4350. Old soldier's with "old shoulders are sensitive too or lack of recoil."