Teen drawn on/approached by gangbanger- disarms and punches to submission

S_Constitutionist · July 24, 2009, 05:23 AM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=154_1248394681

As I understand it, this just recently occurred.

There are so many things to pick apart here that I'm not sure I see the benefit in even trying to. Obviously, the kid made a VERY irrational move which easily could have been fatal. I understand that his "fight or flight" response was going absolutely haywire, and apparently he had a background in jujitsu, but still... I got goosebumps and shudders watching it. The actions of MANY in the film were definately illegal, on both ends.

Again, im not trying to turn this into a big thing. Of course, I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of us are not 14 year olds who obviously have some bad blood with a gang/gangbanger type- hanging out in the neighborhood skateboarding. It is, however, a real situation that I believe some things can be learned from.

WhistlerSWE · July 24, 2009, 05:57 AM

The kid handled it well when it started getting physical, he had a clear dominant position with the gangbanger not really posing any threat after losing the gun.

But who in his right mind would punch a guy pointing a gun towards you?

Hope the GB learned something from the experience, but its more likely he'll just bring more friends next time.

In my opinion the kid failed as soon as he started confronting.

MLeake · July 24, 2009, 06:18 AM

... and I hope it was. Otherwise, if the GB didn't want revenge for the fight itself, he and all his friends will want to get even over the internet video.

csmsss · July 24, 2009, 06:39 AM

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The actions of MANY in the film were definately illegal, on both ends.

*** are you talking about? Who did anything illegal besides the gang banger? No one I saw. As long as the gangster continued to fight, he was a threat and anyone there had every right to assist in subduing him.

Frankly, he's lucky the skateboarder didn't kill him. I hope the gang banger was arrested for the unprovoked aggravated assault he committed.

scottaschultz · July 24, 2009, 07:54 AM

Staged?? No way!!

Here is some guy recording his buddy skateboarding then all of a sudden this GB comes up to him and starts giving him a hard time. Does the guy recording all of this with his cellphone go to help his friend? Of course not! He just keeps watching and recording it all!

Scott

LeopardCurDog · July 24, 2009, 08:09 AM

Looked good to me. Only thing that could have made it better was if the BG would have gotten beaten more.

I liked the half homie under the chin thing though! 10 points for "ghetto cool"!

freakshow10mm · July 24, 2009, 08:39 AM

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But who in his right mind would punch a guy pointing a gun towards you?

If you're looking at the business end of a gun, you're a dead man on your feet. He had the mentality many of us have. It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

As to their being much illegalities in the video, probably in reference to the beating after the gun was taken away, is not IMO illegal. The deadly threat changed to a physical threat which was being taken care of. If the gangsta pressed charges and I was on the jury, I would find no fault on the part of any of the skateboarders.

Sparks2112 · July 24, 2009, 08:43 AM

Certainly not staged.

ZeSpectre · July 24, 2009, 08:45 AM

I was kinda surprised there wasn't more skateboard use.

It always amazes me how people get into a fistfight and keep punching each other in the head. The skull is BONE, there are a whole host of better places to hit someone if you want to disable them.

hogdogs · July 24, 2009, 08:46 AM

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But who in his right mind would punch a guy pointing a gun towards you?

In one word... ME!!! Can't out run a bullet so may as well make it far harder to hit me...
Brent

Cope's Dist · July 24, 2009, 09:37 AM

I imagine the guy with the phone figured it was better to record it all in case they needed proof of anything in the future. The guy beating the heck out of the GB had already made up his mind he wasn't takin no crap and he didn't seem to need help. May have been "no too smart" cuz GB had gun, but some folks just ain't got a sense of humor about a gun in their face. I can say I don't.

Sparks2112 · July 24, 2009, 09:48 AM

As an aside, this is a GREAT example as to why having a gun protects you from absolutely nothing if you choose to close within striking distance of an individual.

howwie · July 24, 2009, 09:58 AM

It was smart for the guy to record for evidence sake, but I can't say I wouldn't have turned tail and gotten out of the situation as soon as I saw the gun. But it ended okay in this incident, but this is not always the case. He's really lucky the GB wasn't willing to use that gun. I am/was a skater and I know how common it is to skate in bad areas. I always had my mini Ka-Bar in my belt and a G19 in the car.

Eskimo · July 24, 2009, 10:23 AM

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The actions of MANY in the film were definately illegal, on both ends.

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong.. : ) Those guys had every right to knock that guy in the head with those skateboards.

csmsss · July 24, 2009, 10:29 AM

Again, the ONLY actor in that video who did anything illegal was the gang banger.

Eskimo · July 24, 2009, 10:39 AM

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Again, the ONLY actor in that video who did anything illegal was the gang banger.

Not true.. they didn't even try to hold the guy down, he was laying there covering himself and they were beating him. You mean to tell me you think you would get a pat on the back for that?

BeeGee · July 24, 2009, 10:48 AM

I would give him a pat on the back if I were there!!!!
BeeGee

Lavid2002 · July 24, 2009, 10:50 AM

hell yeah man thats what tat guy gets

Sixer · July 24, 2009, 10:59 AM

That was great! The kid even tried to walk away!

When that didn't work, he let his elbow do the talking.

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.. they didn't even try to hold the guy down, he was laying there covering himself and they were beating him. You mean to tell me you think you would get a pat on the back for that?

HELL YES. I'm officially giving this kid a "e-pat" on the back

I mean, seriously? If you're gonna pull a gun on someone, not use it, then have it taken away... you probably deserve to get shot. Matter of fact it should be MANDATORY that you receive an a$$ whooping that's at least equal or greater to this one. The mini-thug got off lucky! Got his bell rung and lost his gat, but that was the extent of it. So many things about the wannabe gangbanger tick me off. He thought he could bully a kid just because he had a gun.

He learned his lesson though .... never get too close to your target

johnwilliamson062 · July 24, 2009, 10:59 AM

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he was laying there covering himself and they were beating him

That was not exactly how I would describe it.

Lets not rule out the possibility that these were in fact rival gangs members.

BTW, the PSI of a skateboard turned sideways is much greater than with the wheels. Easy to do much more damage with that way. The guy who didn't know how to use his gun is lucky those guys didn't know how to use their skateboards.

ZeSpectre · July 24, 2009, 10:59 AM

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As an aside, this is a GREAT example as to why having a gun protects you from absolutely nothing if you choose to close within striking distance of an individual.

Actually it's a great example of "posturing" (Read Dave Grossman's book "On Killing").

To be blunt.

Gun-boy wasn't ready to go all the way to "maim/kill" (which is strangely reassuring) but since firearms don't have a "less lethal" setting he was stuck in a feedback loop.

Skateboard-boy, on the other hand, had plenty of non-lethal on hand and a willingness to employ it immediately.

Mentality, not tools.

csmsss · July 24, 2009, 11:02 AM

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Not true.. they didn't even try to hold the guy down, he was laying there covering himself and they were beating him. You mean to tell me you think you would get a pat on the back for that?

You must have been watching an entirely different video than I was. The guy with the gun was struggling to get to his feet the entire time. He was NOT simply covering himself. As long as he keeps moving and struggling, he's a threat and they had every right to keep pummeling him.

I guess they should have helped him to his feet and walked him over to his weapon so he could resume his attack?

Sweet baby Jebus.

scottaschultz · July 24, 2009, 11:13 AM

Cope's Dist wrote:

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I imagine the guy with the phone figured it was better to record it all in case they needed proof of anything in the future.

howwie wrote:

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It was smart for the guy to record for evidence sake...

I will remember what good friends you guys are while I am recovering from my injuries in a hospital bed while this GB waits to go on trial!

Scott

Eskimo · July 24, 2009, 11:16 AM

I'm sure a few skateboarders can easily outrun some fat gang member. They had his gun, all they had to do was get up and leave. You guys can play stupid if you want, but we both know there would have been no risk at all if they had simply taken his gun and left.

Keep in mind that I agree 100% that he should have been beaten 5x harder than he was.. I'm just talking legalities here.

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You must have been watching an entirely different video than I was. The guy with the gun was struggling to get to his feet the entire time. He was NOT simply covering himself. As long as he keeps moving and struggling, he's a threat and they had every right to keep pummeling him.

I guess they should have helped him to his feet and walked him over to his weapon so he could resume his attack?

Sweet baby Jebus.

csmsss · July 24, 2009, 11:24 AM

You still haven't detailed which laws they broke. Also, why on earth should they leave? They weren't doing anything wrong! The gangbanger initiated the entire event and each and every person there was legally justified in doing whatever was necessary to force him to submit. Again, no laws broken.

July 24, 2009, 05:23 AM	#1
S_Constitutionist Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2009 Posts: 325	Teen drawn on/approached by gangbanger- disarms and punches to submission http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=154_1248394681 As I understand it, this just recently occurred. There are so many things to pick apart here that I'm not sure I see the benefit in even trying to. Obviously, the kid made a VERY irrational move which easily could have been fatal. I understand that his "fight or flight" response was going absolutely haywire, and apparently he had a background in jujitsu, but still... I got goosebumps and shudders watching it. The actions of MANY in the film were definately illegal, on both ends. Again, im not trying to turn this into a big thing. Of course, I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of us are not 14 year olds who obviously have some bad blood with a gang/gangbanger type- hanging out in the neighborhood skateboarding. It is, however, a real situation that I believe some things can be learned from.

July 24, 2009, 06:18 AM	#3
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Looked staged... ... and I hope it was. Otherwise, if the GB didn't want revenge for the fight itself, he and all his friends will want to get even over the internet video.

July 24, 2009, 07:54 AM	#5
scottaschultz Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 392	Staged?? No way!! Here is some guy recording his buddy skateboarding then all of a sudden this GB comes up to him and starts giving him a hard time. Does the guy recording all of this with his cellphone go to help his friend? Of course not! He just keeps watching and recording it all! Scott __________________ "I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders!" Ted Nugent

July 24, 2009, 08:43 AM	#8
Sparks2112 Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2008 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 479	Certainly not staged. __________________ -- Sparks AKA J.M. Johnston

July 24, 2009, 08:45 AM	#9
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	I was kinda surprised there wasn't more skateboard use. It always amazes me how people get into a fistfight and keep punching each other in the head. The skull is BONE, there are a whole host of better places to hit someone if you want to disable them. __________________ "The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on"

July 24, 2009, 05:57 AM	#2
WhistlerSWE Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 70	The kid handled it well when it started getting physical, he had a clear dominant position with the gangbanger not really posing any threat after losing the gun. But who in his right mind would punch a guy pointing a gun towards you? Hope the GB learned something from the experience, but its more likely he'll just bring more friends next time. In my opinion the kid failed as soon as he started confronting.

July 24, 2009, 08:09 AM	#6
LeopardCurDog Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Posts: 81	Looked good to me. Only thing that could have made it better was if the BG would have gotten beaten more. I liked the half homie under the chin thing though! 10 points for "ghetto cool"!

July 24, 2009, 09:37 AM	#11
Cope's Dist Member Join Date: October 8, 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 26	Not too Smart...But... I imagine the guy with the phone figured it was better to record it all in case they needed proof of anything in the future. The guy beating the heck out of the GB had already made up his mind he wasn't takin no crap and he didn't seem to need help. May have been "no too smart" cuz GB had gun, but some folks just ain't got a sense of humor about a gun in their face. I can say I don't. __________________ You can reach us at 866 523 2673 or www.copesdistributing.com Last edited by Cope's Dist; July 24, 2009 at 09:42 AM. Reason: changed wording

July 24, 2009, 09:48 AM	#12
Sparks2112 Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2008 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 479	As an aside, this is a GREAT example as to why having a gun protects you from absolutely nothing if you choose to close within striking distance of an individual. __________________ -- Sparks AKA J.M. Johnston

July 24, 2009, 09:58 AM	#13
howwie Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 188	It was smart for the guy to record for evidence sake, but I can't say I wouldn't have turned tail and gotten out of the situation as soon as I saw the gun. But it ended okay in this incident, but this is not always the case. He's really lucky the GB wasn't willing to use that gun. I am/was a skater and I know how common it is to skate in bad areas. I always had my mini Ka-Bar in my belt and a G19 in the car. __________________ "Whoever bleeds the least wins."

July 24, 2009, 10:29 AM	#15
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Again, the ONLY actor in that video who did anything illegal was the gang banger.

July 24, 2009, 10:48 AM	#17
BeeGee Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 18	Not true.. they didn't even try to hold the guy down, he was laying there covering hi I would give him a pat on the back if I were there!!!! BeeGee

July 24, 2009, 10:50 AM	#18
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	hell yeah man thats what tat guy gets __________________ Math>Grammar

July 24, 2009, 11:24 AM	#25
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	You still haven't detailed which laws they broke. Also, why on earth should they leave? They weren't doing anything wrong! The gangbanger initiated the entire event and each and every person there was legally justified in doing whatever was necessary to force him to submit. Again, no laws broken.