Who's better than you?

speed · April 23, 2002, 11:33 PM

How many people do you know (personally or casually) that can outshoot you?
Be honest!...........Take the poll and let's see how TFLers stack up!

HKguy9 · April 24, 2002, 12:02 AM

Competitively, about 2/3s of the people i shoot with can outshoot me.

Outside IPSC and IDPA, I can outshoot all my friends and family. Very few of them shoot, and the ones that do on occasion, it's because I bring them.

Ala Dan · April 24, 2002, 03:01 AM

I know numerous persons that can out shoot me; both
male and female. Like football is too team's, on any given
day, anybody is vunerable to fall from his/her perch.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

22lovr · April 24, 2002, 06:28 AM

Of the family, friends, and acquaintences I've shot with, I am, thus far, the best shot with any handgun put in my hands.

I can normally take someone else's handgun and after firing just a clip or cylinder-full, easily out shoot-them with their own gun.

Bragging? maybe. However, the results are there in living color and cannot be denied.

I don't do many things good but shooting is surely one of them.

adept · April 24, 2002, 06:56 AM

my wife can consistantly out shoot me when she concentrates. this is a fact that i am damn proud of. havent' done any of the shooting competitions, i'm sure i'd meet a lot more people that could out shoot me.

Adept

tonyulichnie · April 24, 2002, 07:14 AM

My wife says

Blackhorse · April 24, 2002, 07:24 AM

The older I get, the thicker my glasses get and the more people that can outshoot me.

ronin308 · April 24, 2002, 08:34 AM

Ala Dan said it! People who know 2 other shooters would vote low...I personally probably know well over a hundred shooters so I'm inclined to vote high because like Ala Dan said, on any given day, I might be the winner or the loser.

ronin308 · April 24, 2002, 08:42 AM

22lovr- Disclaimer: This is not a flame!! Have you ever done competitive shooting? In my experience people don't realize how un-spectacular their abilities are until they start shooting competitively.

fix · April 24, 2002, 09:49 AM

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In my experience people don't realize how un-spectacular their abilities are until they start shooting competitively.

Funny, I've heard something similar. Replace "start shooting competitively" with "attend Rogers Shooting School".

Kermit · April 24, 2002, 10:32 AM

I'm w/ Skunkabilly. I just started competing and it seems like EVERYONE can out shoot me. At the range w/ friends & family, I only know of 2 guys that can really out shoot me.

Hal · April 24, 2002, 11:32 AM

Too bad this went to the competiton forum.

I'm right there with 22lovr. I was born with a God given ability to place holes very close together, or hit small objects at a distance using a handgun, any handgun.

*shrug* absolutly. positivly, nothing I had any control over. Like I say,,,a God given ability,,,born with it, and likely die with it.

Compete? For heavens sake why? I know how good/bad I am and hardly need the yardstick of someone else's God given talent to measure it by. Same goes in reverse. It's hardly fair to others to show them up with something I have zero control over.

'sides, I can only really let go and be myself when no one else is aorund. (Honestly, it's kind of embarassing). Been there, done that with others around and they just look at it as showing off.

ronin308 · April 24, 2002, 11:59 AM

RAE- The reason I ask about competition is because people who don't compete tend to forget about those shots they missed or when their groups were a little bigger than usual. Competition gives the shooter a chance to quantify their abilities. When one quantifies their shooting casually, one tends to forget the shots that weren't so good. If shooting is your talent, why not dominate the smallbore bullseye circuit or go head to head with guys like Rob Leatham? You can get money for guns and maybe even get sponsored so you can actually get paid to shoot. I'm not doubting your ability in the slightest, but I'm just saying that competition or going to gun school are the only ways a shooter can see how he/she measures up.

22lovr · April 24, 2002, 01:45 PM

Read the question again. It didn't say anything about competitive shooting.

In formal competition, I'm probably a dog, if that's what you wanted me to admit.

However, in the casual world of the gun range, shooting at targets within the confines of the average range, yes I'm pretty accurate with any handgun.

(ah, disclaimer. Any handgun but my NAA mini-revolver!)

3 gun · April 24, 2002, 01:47 PM

Simple question, not so simple answer. If I'm trading places with someone week after week at the top of the score board I don't feel I'm being out shot. If I start talking about who's going to be second because Mr. X just showed up, I'm out shot. Not only does this change with the sport (IDPA, IHMSA, PPC, etc.) I'm shooting that day, but with the gun I'm using. The guy who beats me with an open class auto often finds the tables turned with the revolver. Everybody can out shoot me but nobody wants to put any money on it.

Of course I'm limiting my experiences to normal humans. You won't see my name in any gun ads. Of course I don't "know" those guys, just know of them.

22lovr · April 24, 2002, 02:03 PM

I'm simply not that seriously into shooting compared probably to most enthusiasts on this board.

However, you are quite incorrect that I have to shoot competitively or go to a shooting school to measure my abilities. My family, friends, and acquaintences can check out the holes made in targets by their own guns shot by myself.

What's so complicated about what people have been doing for centuries? "Here, OG, bet you can't hit that rabbit with this rock." Or, "bet you can hit that small tree with your javelin." Or, "Bet you can't hit that piece of wood with your crossbow." ETC, ETC, ETC.

I just don't care to shoot competitively or go to gun school - I have fun in my own way.

Hal · April 24, 2002, 02:11 PM

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If shooting is your talent, why not dominate the smallbore bullseye circuit or go head to head with guys like Rob Leatham?

Ronin,
Super easy answer. Talent is a combination of skill and disipline. I have the skill,,,I'll never have the disipline. Come to think of it, I don't really want the disipline. Too distracting.

bountyh · April 24, 2002, 03:46 PM

I shoot in a PPC and Bullseye league and only one guy beats me every week (in both open and stock classes). He routinely shoots perfect 300 scores at 25 yards on the standard NRA pistol target. My best is 295.

ronin308 · April 24, 2002, 03:47 PM

22lovr- Disclaimer- I can't shoot a NAA mini very well either

The original question didn't ask specifically backyard OR competition shooting, just about how you stack up to people you know.
I think that most shooting ability claims are unsubstantiated if they aren't done in competition/school. For example- If I were to live in total isolation and I can do trigonometry does that make me a great mathmatician?

RAE- What does discipline have to do with competition? I think it deals more with learning to shoot than actually shooting. You don't have to be disciplined to be a great shooter, you have to be disciplined to be a better shooter.

22lovr · April 24, 2002, 04:12 PM

Yes, I've actually thought about checking IDPA out sometime in the near-future. THEN, I know I will find out how miserable a shot I truly am.

Until then, I R the top dog in my small circle of family, friends, and acquaintences!

falconer · April 24, 2002, 04:18 PM

I think the "type" of shooting matters too. As well as the setting. I'd fail miserably in IDPA pistol competion. Yet, with only 8 months experience in ISSF pistol, I can hang with those who've shot it for several years.

It's all a matter of the shooting disciple and the company you keep. I won the last High Power service rifle match I shot in, and it was only my second match. However, I only shot a 435/500 which doesn't even fall into the "Expert" category. In shooting, as well as in life, everything is relative.

Hal · April 24, 2002, 04:48 PM

ronin,
Not my aim to be argumentative but you're kidding right? Dicipline is the very heart and soul of any competition, shooting or otherwise.

ronin308 · April 24, 2002, 05:34 PM

22lovr- lol! I'm glad you didn't take any offense to my statements

I used to be king of my backyard too until I found out how bad I was when I shot against that fellow that just posted: Falconer. He whoops my butt in ISSF pistol every single time we compete.

RAE- I understand that you're not trying to be arguementative, I was afraid that I was coming off that way, which wasn't my intention. My point is that you don't need to be disciplined to compete. You can show up to any competition, clean house, and go home. One doesn't need discipline to win (or to even participate) if they have natural talent.

falconer- Hey...wanna come to an IDPA match here?

(Maybe the Purdue guys can be top dogs for a day)

Justin · April 24, 2002, 05:45 PM

Yeah, I have to second what Ronin said about falconer, except I beat 'im. Once.

enfwago · April 24, 2002, 05:53 PM

Depends...As far as family goes, I outshoot them with a Shotgun and pistol...but they outshoot me with a rifle. But seeing how I am in the military, I am pretty sure that there are a lot of people who can outshoot me!

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April 23, 2002, 11:33 PM	#1
speed Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2001 Posts: 353	Who's better than you? How many people do you know (personally or casually) that can outshoot you? Be honest!...........Take the poll and let's see how TFLers stack up! __________________ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::speed::::::::::::::::::::::::

April 24, 2002, 12:02 AM	#2
HKguy9 Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2001 Posts: 2,132	Competitively, about 2/3s of the people i shoot with can outshoot me. Outside IPSC and IDPA, I can outshoot all my friends and family. Very few of them shoot, and the ones that do on occasion, it's because I bring them. __________________ P7M8, VP9

April 24, 2002, 03:01 AM	#3
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 13, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,116	I didn't vote in the poll, cuz I know numerous persons that can out shoot me; both male and female. Like football is too team's, on any given day, anybody is vunerable to fall from his/her perch. Best Wishes, Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

April 24, 2002, 06:28 AM	#4
22lovr Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: The "burbs," just southwest Atlanta Posts: 757	All modesty aside...................... Of the family, friends, and acquaintences I've shot with, I am, thus far, the best shot with any handgun put in my hands. I can normally take someone else's handgun and after firing just a clip or cylinder-full, easily out shoot-them with their own gun. Bragging? maybe. However, the results are there in living color and cannot be denied. I don't do many things good but shooting is surely one of them. __________________ Jeff the 22luvr ><> "You can't know the future but you can know the one who does...." I'm the "Will Rogers" of guns; I've never met one I didn't like.

April 24, 2002, 06:56 AM	#5
adept Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 410	my wife can consistantly out shoot me when she concentrates. this is a fact that i am damn proud of. havent' done any of the shooting competitions, i'm sure i'd meet a lot more people that could out shoot me. Adept __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

April 24, 2002, 07:14 AM	#6
tonyulichnie Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 181	Most everybody.......lol My wife says __________________ Shoot a Lot and Stay Safe

April 24, 2002, 07:24 AM	#7
Blackhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 597	The older I get, the thicker my glasses get and the more people that can outshoot me.

April 24, 2002, 08:34 AM	#8
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	Ala Dan said it! People who know 2 other shooters would vote low...I personally probably know well over a hundred shooters so I'm inclined to vote high because like Ala Dan said, on any given day, I might be the winner or the loser. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 24, 2002, 08:42 AM	#9
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	22lovr- Disclaimer: This is not a flame!! Have you ever done competitive shooting? In my experience people don't realize how un-spectacular their abilities are until they start shooting competitively. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 24, 2002, 10:32 AM	#11
Kermit Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,020	I'm w/ Skunkabilly. I just started competing and it seems like EVERYONE can out shoot me. At the range w/ friends & family, I only know of 2 guys that can really out shoot me.

April 24, 2002, 11:32 AM	#12
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,563	Too bad this went to the competiton forum. I'm right there with 22lovr. I was born with a God given ability to place holes very close together, or hit small objects at a distance using a handgun, any handgun. shrug absolutly. positivly, nothing I had any control over. Like I say,,,a God given ability,,,born with it, and likely die with it. Compete? For heavens sake why? I know how good/bad I am and hardly need the yardstick of someone else's God given talent to measure it by. Same goes in reverse. It's hardly fair to others to show them up with something I have zero control over. 'sides, I can only really let go and be myself when no one else is aorund. (Honestly, it's kind of embarassing). Been there, done that with others around and they just look at it as showing off.

April 24, 2002, 11:59 AM	#13
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	RAE- The reason I ask about competition is because people who don't compete tend to forget about those shots they missed or when their groups were a little bigger than usual. Competition gives the shooter a chance to quantify their abilities. When one quantifies their shooting casually, one tends to forget the shots that weren't so good. If shooting is your talent, why not dominate the smallbore bullseye circuit or go head to head with guys like Rob Leatham? You can get money for guns and maybe even get sponsored so you can actually get paid to shoot. I'm not doubting your ability in the slightest, but I'm just saying that competition or going to gun school are the only ways a shooter can see how he/she measures up. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 24, 2002, 01:45 PM	#14
22lovr Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: The "burbs," just southwest Atlanta Posts: 757	Ronin 308, here's yer answer Read the question again. It didn't say anything about competitive shooting. In formal competition, I'm probably a dog, if that's what you wanted me to admit. However, in the casual world of the gun range, shooting at targets within the confines of the average range, yes I'm pretty accurate with any handgun. (ah, disclaimer. Any handgun but my NAA mini-revolver!) __________________ Jeff the 22luvr ><> "You can't know the future but you can know the one who does...." I'm the "Will Rogers" of guns; I've never met one I didn't like.

April 24, 2002, 01:47 PM	#15
3 gun Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: N41 24.283 W81 43.370 N.E.Ohio Posts: 561	Simple question, not so simple answer. If I'm trading places with someone week after week at the top of the score board I don't feel I'm being out shot. If I start talking about who's going to be second because Mr. X just showed up, I'm out shot. Not only does this change with the sport (IDPA, IHMSA, PPC, etc.) I'm shooting that day, but with the gun I'm using. The guy who beats me with an open class auto often finds the tables turned with the revolver. Everybody can out shoot me but nobody wants to put any money on it. Of course I'm limiting my experiences to normal humans. You won't see my name in any gun ads. Of course I don't "know" those guys, just know of them. __________________ Change you can believe in... Pre-65 US silver coins NRA RSO & Certified Instructor in rifle, pistol, shotgun. An unloaded pistol is a paperweight. Opportunity knocks..Trouble kicks down the door.

April 24, 2002, 02:03 PM	#16
22lovr Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: The "burbs," just southwest Atlanta Posts: 757	Ronin308: Sorry I must disagree I'm simply not that seriously into shooting compared probably to most enthusiasts on this board. However, you are quite incorrect that I have to shoot competitively or go to a shooting school to measure my abilities. My family, friends, and acquaintences can check out the holes made in targets by their own guns shot by myself. What's so complicated about what people have been doing for centuries? "Here, OG, bet you can't hit that rabbit with this rock." Or, "bet you can hit that small tree with your javelin." Or, "Bet you can't hit that piece of wood with your crossbow." ETC, ETC, ETC. I just don't care to shoot competitively or go to gun school - I have fun in my own way. __________________ Jeff the 22luvr ><> "You can't know the future but you can know the one who does...." I'm the "Will Rogers" of guns; I've never met one I didn't like.

April 24, 2002, 03:46 PM	#18
bountyh Junior member Join Date: November 1, 2001 Location: NaziFornia Posts: 908	I shoot in a PPC and Bullseye league and only one guy beats me every week (in both open and stock classes). He routinely shoots perfect 300 scores at 25 yards on the standard NRA pistol target. My best is 295.

April 24, 2002, 03:47 PM	#19
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	22lovr- Disclaimer- I can't shoot a NAA mini very well either The original question didn't ask specifically backyard OR competition shooting, just about how you stack up to people you know. I think that most shooting ability claims are unsubstantiated if they aren't done in competition/school. For example- If I were to live in total isolation and I can do trigonometry does that make me a great mathmatician? RAE- What does discipline have to do with competition? I think it deals more with learning to shoot than actually shooting. You don't have to be disciplined to be a great shooter, you have to be disciplined to be a better shooter. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 24, 2002, 04:12 PM	#20
22lovr Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: The "burbs," just southwest Atlanta Posts: 757	Ronin: A confession Yes, I've actually thought about checking IDPA out sometime in the near-future. THEN, I know I will find out how miserable a shot I truly am. Until then, I R the top dog in my small circle of family, friends, and acquaintences! __________________ Jeff the 22luvr ><> "You can't know the future but you can know the one who does...." I'm the "Will Rogers" of guns; I've never met one I didn't like.

April 24, 2002, 04:18 PM	#21
falconer Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: somewhere Posts: 546	I think the "type" of shooting matters too. As well as the setting. I'd fail miserably in IDPA pistol competion. Yet, with only 8 months experience in ISSF pistol, I can hang with those who've shot it for several years. It's all a matter of the shooting disciple and the company you keep. I won the last High Power service rifle match I shot in, and it was only my second match. However, I only shot a 435/500 which doesn't even fall into the "Expert" category. In shooting, as well as in life, everything is relative.

April 24, 2002, 04:48 PM	#22
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 8,563	ronin, Not my aim to be argumentative but you're kidding right? Dicipline is the very heart and soul of any competition, shooting or otherwise.

April 24, 2002, 05:34 PM	#23
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	22lovr- lol! I'm glad you didn't take any offense to my statements I used to be king of my backyard too until I found out how bad I was when I shot against that fellow that just posted: Falconer. He whoops my butt in ISSF pistol every single time we compete. RAE- I understand that you're not trying to be arguementative, I was afraid that I was coming off that way, which wasn't my intention. My point is that you don't need to be disciplined to compete. You can show up to any competition, clean house, and go home. One doesn't need discipline to win (or to even participate) if they have natural talent. falconer- Hey...wanna come to an IDPA match here? (Maybe the Purdue guys can be top dogs for a day) __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

April 24, 2002, 05:45 PM	#24
Justin Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,641	Yeah, I have to second what Ronin said about falconer, except I beat 'im. Once.

April 24, 2002, 05:53 PM	#25
enfwago Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2000 Location: USA Posts: 145	Depends...As far as family goes, I outshoot them with a Shotgun and pistol...but they outshoot me with a rifle. But seeing how I am in the military, I am pretty sure that there are a lot of people who can outshoot me!