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April 28, 2010, 12:11 AM | #51 | |
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April 28, 2010, 08:27 AM | #52 |
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I think more of these have this issue than people think they do. Most just don't send it in for warranty repair. I know 3 guys that have had newer 870 Expresses and 2 have had this issue. I don't know anyone that has sent their gun into Remington for warranty repair. Every time you call they tell you how it will take some super long time for you to get it back. Most people don't want to deal with this which is why Remington probably doesn't get a ton of them in for repair. People I personally know have either just sold the guns or gotten a local gunsmith to repair the problem.
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It does happen in other shotguns but it's very rare. GC |
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The 870 Zombies have a vested interest in pretending that there are no problems with current production 870 express. "The Emperor has clothes" but let's play pretend. Like someone said above, I'd feel bad for the guy who bought a new 870 express - not "into guns" - and want to protect his family and then it jams when he needs it most and then disaster.
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April 28, 2010, 11:13 AM | #56 | |
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This particular 870 zombie undoubtedly has handled, seen, serviced and shot more 870s in the past year than you will ever see if you live to be 110. There is no overall QC problem with Remington, especially the 870...with the 710/770 caveat. In fact their QC has IMPROVED. WildlooktootherthingstovalidateyourlifethanbashingremingtonAlaska TM |
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April 28, 2010, 12:03 PM | #57 | |
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I have sold 870s for 8 years and have had to polish quite a few 870 chambers for customers. AI&P Tactical has a DIY video on how to polish an 870 chamber on his website, if anyone needs it. He recognizes it's a common problem. J.D. McGuire, Owner AI&P Tactical, LLC www.aiptactical.com Remington Factory Certified Law Enforcement Armorer GC |
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April 28, 2010, 12:11 PM | #58 |
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April 28, 2010, 12:12 PM | #59 | |
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I did have one 870 barrel a couple years ago that was persnickety about ejecting Brenneke slug hulls. No other ammo but Brenneke. A good chamber scrub with a chucked brush took care of it. It happens with other shotguns too, is my point I suppose........
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April 28, 2010, 12:14 PM | #60 | |
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Please explain this... If there is no overall QC problem at Remington.. How in the world did I buy two new Wingmasters, that did not function?? Not expresses, wingmasters!!! Then add my 700 CDL horror story to that equation.. What are the odds that one person buying 3 guns, each purchased three months apart would end up with three lemons???????? Without there being an overall QC problem????? |
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Remington makes their cost targets by taking a certain design and manufacturing approach, Mossy makes their cost targets by taking different approachs to pump gun design and manufacture, Benelli takes yet a different approch, and so forth. Each of us get to decide which cost shortcuts are least obtrusive or easiest to fix, and I will never understand why that analysis seems to cause so much angst.....
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Take a 12 ga brush....embed some 0000 steel wool into it. Maybe some flitz if your feeling antsy.... Hook it up to a segment of a cleaning rod and pop that motha' into a drill. Polish the chamber a bit and clean it up.
It will fix itself....If you get a stuck shell simply put one hand on the pump, and another on the action. SLAM the butt of the gun on the ground (Preferably on wood) with a considerable amount of force on the pump.... and the shell will pop right out. Its called a stock slam. : D
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My guess is that the people who still buy them have similarly out-of-spec chambers, or are unfortunate first time buyers. |
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April 28, 2010, 03:30 PM | #67 | |
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Wildalaska is not on Remington's payroll...he knows a lot about guns. The fact that anyone would even suggest this shows that they are a newbie without even looking at the number of posts. However, if there is not a QC issue, then I there must be a lot of guns sitting in storage. Just sayin'!!
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April 28, 2010, 05:00 PM | #68 |
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I did my research BEFORE I bought my Remington 870 Express. I found an abundance of people that had the extraction problem. The problem is overwhelming and ubiquitous.
I considered my purchase of a new Remington 870 Express to be like buying a partially completed kit. I received the gun and after a thorough cleaning, guess what? Extraction problems. I took the gun to a Remington warranty service center and I should get it back in about a week. Alaska is about as wrong as a human being could possibly be. The problem is there and the problem is widespread. Alaska should just man-up and admit it. |
April 28, 2010, 05:15 PM | #69 |
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I have a NEF Protector 12 ga pump action shotgun. I had nothing but good words for it until I cleaned it. Yes I said "cleaned it". I cleaned the thing with Winchester Breakfree powder cleaner; lubed it up with Break Free. Then it started jamming the 4th and 5th shots. I took the thing apart and to my amazement the Magazine follower was melted.(caused by the cleaner) It was kind of waxy feeling. I have never in my life seen such a mess in a shotgun; and this was in the magazine tube. I ordered a NEW Remington follower and Wolff springs. I will keep you posted.
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A couple things from a long time 870 fan but no zombie....
Ammo/shotgun imcompatibilites have long existed. My oldest WM used to glitch on one brand of goose loads back in the 60s. Solution, use the wonderful Western loads of the day. At this time, two of my favorite WMs will choke on ejecting Gun Clubs. No other ammo I use causes this problem. SO, I do not use GCs in those shotguns. Since I clean those barrels with 4/0 steel wool wrapped around a dowel and chucked up in a drill, we can assume the chambers are polished. These WMs were made in 1955 and 1973, so it's not a recent QC problem. One barrel was an Express bought around 1985, the other is original to the 1955 WM. Newer LC barrels(Post 2000) used on both still have the issues. None with other ammo. Those GCs work OK in my Beretta O/U, BTW. As I see it, the problems folks have with newer Expresses fall into a couple groups. Here they are, along with solutions.... Failure to remove the preservatives as the manual requires. Doing so eliminates a lot of stickiness. Failure to select good ammo. Obvious solution, use better fodder.AND SHOOT A GOOD BIT OF IT BEFORE TRUSTING YOUR LIFE AND THAT OF YOUR FAMILY'S TO IT OR ANY OTHER WEAPON. Failure to rack with authority. Back when the state paid me to teach folks to shoot 870s, I noted that most hangups related to baby stroking the pump. Those that did it hard had few troubles. And finally, there's the unavoidable fact that some folks just are not very bright and also hate to admit they know little about shotguns. So, they have problems and it HAS to be the gun's fault, not the fact that they cannot cross the street on the green light. After all, all us US males just naturally are great lovers, shooters, drivers and fighters, right?... |
April 28, 2010, 05:29 PM | #71 |
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The 870 Express shotguns use a little plastic follower as well. I don't know if their plastic is susceptible to chemical degradation, like your NEF did. I gut them and replace the factory Express follower with something more substantial. I usually iron out the magazine tube detents, install a magazine extension and follow with a Wilson spring and heavy-duty follower. That one is plastic too, but at least it's solid and lots heavier than the little Express plug. I'm seeing too many posts on various gun boards, regarding problems with the later Express shotguns, for me to believe it's anything other than the predictable result of cheapening a product too much. I personally wouldn't have a new one, or a used one after the change to plastic trigger guards. There are simply too many serviceable, older guns available in the 'used' market. It ain't just 870's I feel that way about, either. *Just caught your post, Dave...I'll agree with you on the last line, anyhow Seriously, I've never had an ammo compatibility problem with any 870; Police, Express or otherwise. Had a couple of Mossberg 500's for the kids, over the years, which flat did NOT like Federal from Wally World.
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April 28, 2010, 07:26 PM | #73 | |
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April 28, 2010, 07:45 PM | #74 |
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Not an operator problem.
They may not want to send it to you because they don't trust you. WildgoogleisyourfriendopenyoureyesAlaska http://www.google.com/search?safe=ac...ient=firefox-a P.S. For every one post there are probably hundreds of people who didn't post. Last edited by rc601962; April 28, 2010 at 08:05 PM. |
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The Breakfree Powderblast you are using (now re-badged and sold in WalMart under the Winchester name) is forumlated to remove carbon and powder fouling along with plastic wadding residue from shotgun barrels. It's designed to melt plastic........ Switch to Birchwood Casey's Gunscrubber, synthetic safe version if you want an aerosol spray cleaner. Or be more careful with the Breakfree and keep it away from plastic parts.
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