New Mossberg DA Model Pump Gun (Anti-Lawyer Model)

Contender · January 22, 2001, 09:25 PM

New Mossberg

O F Mossberg & Sons, Inc.. , an industry leader in pump-action security and sporting shotgun manufacturing, has introduced the new 590DA - the first "Double Action" 12 Ga. pump shotgun ever offered to the law enforcement and civilian communities. The new 590DA is based on the proven Mossberg 590© pump action design, renowned as the only pump shotgun in the world to pass the notorious mil-spec 3000 round torture test.

The 590DA fires with a long, deliberate stroke of the trigger for each shot. This new, innovative design provides a faster, easier transition from service sidearm to shotgun, as it requires no substantial change to the widely accepted DAO firing procedures of today's most advanced service revolvers and DAO pistols.

The 590DA fires with a long, deliberate stroke of the trigger for each shot.

Like other Mossberg 590 shotguns, this new model retains all of the proven Mossberg features long popular with law enforcement and military professionals around the world. Features such as: dual action bars, corrosion resistant parkerized finish, straight-thru magazine tube cleaning, rugged synthetic stock and forend, and an ambidextrous thumb safety. In addition, the 590DA was designed to meet or exceed stringent government milspec and NIJ requirements.

The new Mossberg 590DA is available with a bead front sight or Mossberg Ghost Ring sights in 18.5 or 20 inch barrel lengths. A 14 inch Ghost Ring model is also available subject to BATF Class 3 regulations. The new Mossberg 590DA, as well as the complete line of security and personal defense shotguns is available through all major commercial and law enforcement dealers and distributors nationwide.

For more information on the 590DA, or Mossberg's complete line of commercial, personal defense, law enforcement and military shotguns, rifles, and accessories, contact: O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc., 7 Grasso Ave., North Haven, CT 06473, Phone: 203-230-5300, Fax: 203-230-5420

cuerno de chivo · January 23, 2001, 01:40 AM

catering to the law enforcement market? they buy dao autos. put new york + triggers on glocks.

i'd expect a key lock safety soon too :barf:

**Mike Irwin** · January 23, 2001, 01:54 AM

Or the old Elmer Keith line, which he used when first confronted with the now obsolete 8mm Remington Magnum...

"What the hell good is it?"

Dave McC · January 23, 2001, 08:32 AM

"Serious" shotguns get aimed, not pointed, and the triggers get squeezed,not yanked.A heavier, harder to control trigger is a step in the wrong direction.

Once again, the prevailing political climate says that instead of spending the time to teach folks that the trigger guard gets entered only when one is ready to shoot, they worsen the hardware to avoid the inevitable accidents caused by poor training of unmotivated and lackadaisical personnel.

This is about as useful as a parachute on a submarine, the answer to the wrong problem.

Ledbetter · January 23, 2001, 02:45 PM

I concur. This product is unnecessary. You can shoot lawyers with any model shotgun.

RHC · January 23, 2001, 08:16 PM

Well, we lawyers have exceptionally thick skins,
so you probably want something that will
fire slugs. And it is pretty hard to pin us
down, so open sights. And don't forget you'll
need a round that will penetrate a BMW!

Correia · January 23, 2001, 08:42 PM

RHC, LMAO!

9x45 · January 23, 2001, 08:54 PM

Someone needs to do a whole lot more shooting, and alot less reading gun ads. There are 2 kinds of tactical shotgunners, those that shoot, and those that talk, like lawyers. I have a VangComp Mossberg 590, Remington 11-87 Police SP, and a Beretta 1201FP that are used in tactical 2 gun and 3 gun matches a couple of times a month. Why would someone like me want this new DA gun? I'm with Elmer and Jeff, what's it for?

K80Geoff · January 23, 2001, 09:24 PM

Making a lousy trigger even lousier

Geoff Ross

Noah1234 · January 23, 2001, 09:26 PM

Why? When I purchased my 590 I tried to think of some reason why I would want a looooong drawn out trigger pull instead of a nice clean 'click' couldn't think of anything to I settled for a regular 590A1, and I'm quite happy with the trigger thank you.

Frenchy · January 24, 2001, 09:41 PM

Designed for the "common sense" challenged!!

Al Thompson · January 24, 2001, 10:04 PM

Erick - try this one - "an ingenious solution to a non-existant problem".

Giz

Oleg Volk · January 25, 2001, 12:20 AM

One possible benefit to it: could this design be drop-safe or it is a matter of the firing pin retention and not of the trigger?

ctdonath · January 25, 2001, 09:13 AM

Around here (Rochester NY) a cop accidentally (?) shotgunned a suspect during a drug raid. Apparently he stumbled and there was an unfortunate convergence of finger, trigger, and perp. Litigation will undoubtedly ensue. With our advertising-based culture ("buy product X and problem Y will go away!") there's a good chance that a bureaucrat will declare that such situations will be properly prevented by replacing all department shotguns with "double-action" triggers (as opposed to, say, teaching Rule #3 and not doing no-knock dynamic entries).

Most people would rather blame the equipment than the operator or the selection of circumstance.

Kevlarman · January 26, 2001, 01:40 PM

Just exactly how does this work? When I'm on the range, of course, I keep my finger out of the guard whenever my sights aren't pointed at the target. But what about LEOs and the like? Do they clear rooms and cover suspects without their fingers on the trigger?

Nightcrawler · January 26, 2001, 02:58 PM

Ever see a SWAT team do an entry on the Learning Channel or some other documentary? Their fingers are on the outside of the trigger guards of their MP5s until they have a target in their sights. In a high-stress situation, where you have a lot of teammates crammed into a close quarters scenario, it'd be real easy to accidentally pop a round into your buddy if you had your finger on the trigger. Something could startle you, you could stumble, something could knock against your hand, and so on.

ctdonath · January 27, 2001, 12:26 PM

RULE 3
KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER TIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

Works exactly the way it says.

JK · January 28, 2001, 02:02 PM

I don't trust any Mossberg when it comes to serious social work. Too many come thru my shop for repairs. The 870 is the standard for law enforcement. I had one in the rack right next to me in a patrol car for 14 years. It was pulled hundreds of times and I never had an AD. Training!!!!
The mossberg is a good shotgun, but I fear that too many unknowing (read H. U. A.) police officials will want the latest P. O. S. safety firearm for their troops in the field. Police shotguns get abused and the only shotgun that I feel will stand up to the rigors of police work is the 870.
Good Shooting To All-John K

January 23, 2001, 02:45 PM	#5
Ledbetter Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Location: California USA Posts: 4,533	Anti-lawyer model? I concur. This product is unnecessary. You can shoot lawyers with any model shotgun.

January 23, 2001, 09:24 PM	#9
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Progress? Making a lousy trigger even lousier Geoff Ross __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

January 23, 2001, 09:26 PM	#10
Noah1234 Member Join Date: January 9, 2001 Posts: 40	I asked myself the same question Why? When I purchased my 590 I tried to think of some reason why I would want a looooong drawn out trigger pull instead of a nice clean 'click' couldn't think of anything to I settled for a regular 590A1, and I'm quite happy with the trigger thank you.

January 24, 2001, 09:41 PM	#11
Frenchy Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 719	Designed for the "common sense" challenged!! __________________ ...Steve Charter member/Plank owner of XD Talk. Com

January 24, 2001, 10:04 PM	#12
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Erick - try this one - "an ingenious solution to a non-existant problem". Giz __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

January 22, 2001, 09:25 PM	#1
Contender Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1998 Location: NY Posts: 680	New Mossberg O F Mossberg & Sons, Inc.. , an industry leader in pump-action security and sporting shotgun manufacturing, has introduced the new 590DA - the first "Double Action" 12 Ga. pump shotgun ever offered to the law enforcement and civilian communities. The new 590DA is based on the proven Mossberg 590© pump action design, renowned as the only pump shotgun in the world to pass the notorious mil-spec 3000 round torture test. The 590DA fires with a long, deliberate stroke of the trigger for each shot. This new, innovative design provides a faster, easier transition from service sidearm to shotgun, as it requires no substantial change to the widely accepted DAO firing procedures of today's most advanced service revolvers and DAO pistols. The 590DA fires with a long, deliberate stroke of the trigger for each shot. Like other Mossberg 590 shotguns, this new model retains all of the proven Mossberg features long popular with law enforcement and military professionals around the world. Features such as: dual action bars, corrosion resistant parkerized finish, straight-thru magazine tube cleaning, rugged synthetic stock and forend, and an ambidextrous thumb safety. In addition, the 590DA was designed to meet or exceed stringent government milspec and NIJ requirements. The new Mossberg 590DA is available with a bead front sight or Mossberg Ghost Ring sights in 18.5 or 20 inch barrel lengths. A 14 inch Ghost Ring model is also available subject to BATF Class 3 regulations. The new Mossberg 590DA, as well as the complete line of security and personal defense shotguns is available through all major commercial and law enforcement dealers and distributors nationwide. For more information on the 590DA, or Mossberg's complete line of commercial, personal defense, law enforcement and military shotguns, rifles, and accessories, contact: O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc., 7 Grasso Ave., North Haven, CT 06473, Phone: 203-230-5300, Fax: 203-230-5420

January 23, 2001, 01:40 AM	#2
cuerno de chivo Junior member Join Date: July 6, 2000 Posts: 919	catering to the law enforcement market? they buy dao autos. put new york + triggers on glocks. i'd expect a key lock safety soon too :barf:

January 23, 2001, 01:54 AM	#3
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Or the old Elmer Keith line, which he used when first confronted with the now obsolete 8mm Remington Magnum... "What the hell good is it?"

January 23, 2001, 08:32 AM	#4
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	"Serious" shotguns get aimed, not pointed, and the triggers get squeezed,not yanked.A heavier, harder to control trigger is a step in the wrong direction. Once again, the prevailing political climate says that instead of spending the time to teach folks that the trigger guard gets entered only when one is ready to shoot, they worsen the hardware to avoid the inevitable accidents caused by poor training of unmotivated and lackadaisical personnel. This is about as useful as a parachute on a submarine, the answer to the wrong problem.

January 23, 2001, 08:16 PM	#6
RHC Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2000 Posts: 678	Well, we lawyers have exceptionally thick skins, so you probably want something that will fire slugs. And it is pretty hard to pin us down, so open sights. And don't forget you'll need a round that will penetrate a BMW!

January 23, 2001, 08:42 PM	#7
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	RHC, LMAO!

January 23, 2001, 08:54 PM	#8
9x45 Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2000 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,089	Someone needs to do a whole lot more shooting, and alot less reading gun ads. There are 2 kinds of tactical shotgunners, those that shoot, and those that talk, like lawyers. I have a VangComp Mossberg 590, Remington 11-87 Police SP, and a Beretta 1201FP that are used in tactical 2 gun and 3 gun matches a couple of times a month. Why would someone like me want this new DA gun? I'm with Elmer and Jeff, what's it for?

January 25, 2001, 12:20 AM	#13
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	One possible benefit to it: could this design be drop-safe or it is a matter of the firing pin retention and not of the trigger?

January 25, 2001, 09:13 AM	#14
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	Around here (Rochester NY) a cop accidentally (?) shotgunned a suspect during a drug raid. Apparently he stumbled and there was an unfortunate convergence of finger, trigger, and perp. Litigation will undoubtedly ensue. With our advertising-based culture ("buy product X and problem Y will go away!") there's a good chance that a bureaucrat will declare that such situations will be properly prevented by replacing all department shotguns with "double-action" triggers (as opposed to, say, teaching Rule #3 and not doing no-knock dynamic entries). Most people would rather blame the equipment than the operator or the selection of circumstance.

January 26, 2001, 01:40 PM	#15
Kevlarman Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 1999 Posts: 131	About rule #3.... Just exactly how does this work? When I'm on the range, of course, I keep my finger out of the guard whenever my sights aren't pointed at the target. But what about LEOs and the like? Do they clear rooms and cover suspects without their fingers on the trigger?

January 26, 2001, 02:58 PM	#16
Nightcrawler Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2000 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,945	LEOs and trigger fingers... Ever see a SWAT team do an entry on the Learning Channel or some other documentary? Their fingers are on the outside of the trigger guards of their MP5s until they have a target in their sights. In a high-stress situation, where you have a lot of teammates crammed into a close quarters scenario, it'd be real easy to accidentally pop a round into your buddy if you had your finger on the trigger. Something could startle you, you could stumble, something could knock against your hand, and so on.

January 27, 2001, 12:26 PM	#17
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	RULE 3 KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER TIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET Works exactly the way it says.

January 28, 2001, 02:02 PM	#18
JK Member Join Date: October 27, 2000 Posts: 75	I don't trust any Mossberg when it comes to serious social work. Too many come thru my shop for repairs. The 870 is the standard for law enforcement. I had one in the rack right next to me in a patrol car for 14 years. It was pulled hundreds of times and I never had an AD. Training!!!! The mossberg is a good shotgun, but I fear that too many unknowing (read H. U. A.) police officials will want the latest P. O. S. safety firearm for their troops in the field. Police shotguns get abused and the only shotgun that I feel will stand up to the rigors of police work is the 870. Good Shooting To All-John K __________________ Fight Crime-Shoot Back