Room Mates Part Deux

VUPDblue · August 1, 2007, 10:34 PM

Well, the original thread on how to secure a residence that is inhabited by more than one person was shut down due to a major violation on the part of the original poster. I feel that this thread contained some good information and conversation. For the sake of more conversation, lets continue. The assumption being that a person feels the need to keep a firearm for protection and the residence is subject to frequent gatherings by friends and acquaintences. How does one accomplish this safely? What are major concerns related to being in a collegiate atmosphere? As some of you know, the "U" in my username is for "University" so I am a bit schooled in this area. Lets hear some thoughts...

redblair · August 1, 2007, 11:15 PM

As much as I hate to write this I just don't think college and dorm life are safe environments for guns. Some people will be able to provide a proper safe and ensure that the guns don't end up in the hands of the wrong person but it's very difficult to do. Where do you bolt the safe? To a stud in a low rent apartment? Once it's known there is a gun in the house the risk of theft is very high. Sometime patience is a really good thing.

My 2.

B

Wildalaska · August 1, 2007, 11:15 PM

Party atmospheres and guns don't mix.

WildtrustmeAlaska

VUPDblue · August 1, 2007, 11:18 PM

Ok, the two don't mix. Suppose you and one of your roomies are not partiers. Police officers, in fact. The other 3 roomies are partiers. What to do then? Tell them they can't party? Switch careers? Move?

Wildalaska · August 1, 2007, 11:21 PM

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Move?

Absolutely. Day after first bash or wandering strangers or unkown chicks on the floor (well scratch that one maybe

)

WildnoquestionwhatsoeverAlaska

redblair · August 2, 2007, 08:21 AM

Lets face it if even one unauthorized person has access things can get ungly really fast. If one party boy or girl knows that said gun is in said location then many will know. Not a safe proposition.

B

MortalWombat · August 2, 2007, 09:44 AM

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Ok, the two don't mix. Suppose you and one of your roomies are not partiers. Police officers, in fact. The other 3 roomies are partiers. What to do then? Tell them they can't party? Switch careers? Move?

Yes, move. But don't forget to come back for the parties.

JoeBlackSpade · August 2, 2007, 10:04 AM

Let's face it: only YOU really know if you can store a firearm safely in your pad- roomates or not.

With regards to alcohol, its stupid to think that guns and drinking can ever mix. If you want to know what happens when they do, even under the best intentions, just look back at the Old West, when men carried their sidearms into the Saloon. Undertakers were very busy back then. With alcohol, tempers flair and judgement is the first thing to go out the window.

If you're going to live in a fairly confined space, where there is alcohol, don't introduce a firearm into that environment. Its a recipe for disaster. Not only for you, but for your roomates.

Personally, I'm NEVER going to trust others around my weapons. I paid for my training with sweat and tears, and unless I know that the "next guy" has been through the same thing, I'm going to assume that he's a blithering idiot when it comes to guns, until he proves me wrong.

This is a good rule. Say it with me now: "EVERYONE ELSE is a blithering idiot when it comes to firearms". LOL. Believe that about everyone who may gain access to your firearm, unless you have sufficient reason not to, i.e., they are law enforcement or military with experience. Even your best buddy who shoots a squirrel gun may not be familiar with handguns.

If you go back to the thread that was closed, I posted a picture of an extendable baton. This is perfect for your needs. Not every problem finds its solution with a firearm. Being able to understand that is the first step towards mature and responsible ownership of a firearm eventually.

I happen to know for a FACT that the D.C. Park Police SWAT team carries these, and many, many Marine and Army MP's and Security Force Battalions carry these as standard issue weapons when on post. I carried one as well. My opinion is they are awesome. And non-lethal. Check them out.

Lurper · August 2, 2007, 10:57 AM

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Get one of the pistol safes that have the electronic lock and either bolt it to the floor or a piece of furniture. Do your roomates even need to know that you have a gun?

Tanzer · August 2, 2007, 11:37 AM

The fact that the original thread was closed because the guy was using multiple identities should show that his judgement is poor to begin with.

Try to plan how any given day will go, and see if things turn out as you planned. never happens, does it?

I'm sorry if it offends college kids to say that they are immature, but they are. It's a matter of time on earth. A gun in a party house is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. As a sailor, I can say with certainty that the unexpected WILL happen.

The Tourist · August 2, 2007, 11:49 AM

I was very sorry the thread was closed, but perhaps not for the reason many think.

It seems now that everyone has to be each other's friend. No one seems to be accountable. No one wants bad news. Nicole Richie can drive backwards on a one-way street and it's all just one entertaining goof. Britney Spears' kid is going to be in therapy for years.

When I typed my opinion, I planned to be flamed, and in many ways I didn't care.

The very idea that there was going to be a condition where foot traffic, college kids, planned inebriation and firearms were going to mix was flat out foolish.

And childish. And selfish.

You know what they told Spiderman, don't you? With great power comes great responsibility. And alcohol and firearms in that environment is not responsible.

The gentleman may have to move. But more to the point, I'm concerned when someone believes there's a responsible way to handle this. His plans need to be re-evaluated.

VUPDblue · August 2, 2007, 01:57 PM

Ok, let me ask all of you this: Do you ever drink at home? Do you ever have a dinner party or other type of gathering? If so, do you serve alcohol? And if you answer 'yes' to any of the above, what do you do with your firearms?

Ledbetter · August 2, 2007, 02:14 PM

No one comes in unless I say it's okay. This question was posed about a situation where access to the residence is virtually uncontrolled. The guns in my house are all locked securely away when people, except a very few, are visiting, and the location is not generally known. (My safe is not kept in any "common" area of the house.)

bigghoss · August 2, 2007, 08:33 PM

I read the original post but not the entire thread. did anyone else catch that he mentioned he would probly be drinking regularly but that he was only 19?

off topic I know, I apologize but I just couldn't let that slide. I think we know where I'm going with this so I'll drop it before I get into a rant.

anyway on topic and speaking from experiance.
if at all possible don't even let your roommates know that you even have a gun. if you can hide the safe do that too. and make sure it's a secure strorage device. a friend of mine had a wood cabinet with a glass front and no lock. he couldn't get it up the stairs so it had to go in the livingroom. he put a cable lock on the door handles but at one of the many parties his ex-girlfriend threw some lowlife managed to slip their arm into the cabinet and make off with his .25 raven. $80 dollar mistake but the scarrier part is some theif and possible drug addict (I've seen the kind of people she would bring over) has a small easily concelable handgun thats in someone else's name.

currently I live in a motorhome in an RV park and while for the most part everyone else has RVs far more valuable than mine I try to not even let anyone else see me taking my guns in and out of the truck. and I managed to fit a locker in my motorhome to keep my guns secure.

Wildalaska · August 2, 2007, 09:30 PM

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Ok, let me ask all of you this: Do you ever drink at home? Do you ever have a dinner party or other type of gathering? If so, do you serve alcohol? And if you answer 'yes' to any of the above, what do you do with your firearms?

Everything is relative. if I, in my social circles, invite a few freinds over to the old homestead where we sip fine port and nibble on canapes and admire my Colt collection as it sits behind glass, thats one thing....

vis a vis

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WildisthatasufficientanswerAlaska

SatanzBountyHunter · August 2, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Ok, the two don't mix. Suppose you and one of your roomies are not partiers. Police officers, in fact. The other 3 roomies are partiers. What to do then? Tell them they can't party? Switch careers? Move?

Let me make sure I understand you right...you and a roomate are LEO's and you have 3 other roomates (the partiers) that aren't?

If I am reading this correctly, you and your other LEO rommate need to move. I am sure you are required to have a duty gun and the other tools of the trade. Any of your civilian roomies and their friends will know you have guns in the place if they know you are LEO's. Why risk having one of them or their partying friends steal your gun, badge, etc....or worse, play with them while you are not there. Any accident like that or having your gear stolen is not good for your career.

You need to get out of that environment...your career is too valuable for that kind of trouble waiting to happen.

The only other solution I see is that you keep the door to your room locked whenever you aren't there with a real clear understanding to your roomates that anyone that tries to go in there without your permission gets their teeth knocked out.

VUPDblue · August 2, 2007, 10:30 PM

Lets get this train on its track. My situation is over and done with. It was ten years ago. Mine and my partner's gear lived in the car, which lived at the department, as we lived outside of our own jurisdiction. The only gear that came home on a regular basis was the badge and sometimes the vest. However, we each did have weapons of our own. The partying that went down at our place wasn't the likes of what happened on Animal House. Sure the idiot roomies had people over from time to time, but it was pretty subdued. The situation I find that I am picturing in my head is one or two individuals looking for a place to crash or get away from it all and then stumbling upon an unsecured weapon. "Hey everybody, look what I found" (yelling from the top of the stairs). It was pretty hard to stumble into our room as the door had a deadbolt on it (lucky it was there when we moved in). Each of us had a pistol and a safe, ones of the type that has the finger grooves on the top where you key-in the combo. I still have mine as a matter of fact. They were screwed to the floor next to our respective beds. I used to put my empty laundry basket upside-down over mine just to keep it out of sight. The beds were on opposite sides of the large bedroom and the safes were between the beds and the wall. I don't know how much more secure you can make things and still have your weapon somewhat readily available. I felt that this was a pretty good way of having a weapon while living in a college town.

SatanzBountyHunter · August 2, 2007, 10:48 PM

You threw the question out there, so I answered with the best opinion I had. Sounds like you had things under control from the beginning.

Tanzer · August 2, 2007, 11:05 PM

I have a glass of wine sitting beside me. Finished another glass twenty minutes ago, and my gun is on my hip. But I'm not going on any pantie raids at my neighbor's house, and my wife isn't staggering around the den. I'm finishing this glass and going to bed.
(*hic*) g'nite!

redblair · August 2, 2007, 11:07 PM

VUPD,

It reads as though you did the best you could with an imperfect situation (aren't they all.)

To answer your question. No I don't drink anymore. I have people over but no wine with dinner, no sherry as an aperitif, no after dinner cognac. I've become quite boring as I've aged. But much more responsible as well.

B

JoeBlackSpade · August 3, 2007, 09:34 AM

I drink frequently, and when I have friends over we hang out by the bar, or out back by the grill.

During the college years, however, I (vaguely) remember people "crashing" everywhere. We used to go through KEGS like dirty underwear, and there'd be couples randomly scattered around the house/apartment/condo (depending on where the party was) at all hours. Massive acres of carpet were ruined. Sheets weren't changed, MATTRESSES were. Bathtubs were used for the storage of ice and beer. The refrigerator contained zero vegetables, and was well stocked with pizza boxes, chinese food cartons, and wine coolers for the ladies. Shoes on the furniture was o.k. The first guy to fall asleep lost his eyebrows to warm shaving cream and a razor. Any rectangular box-like structure qualified as a T.V. stand. At least 3 people vomited before the party was over. The police would make a minimum of one visit every third party, prematurely ending the festivities, and giving us all something to talk about until the next one.

Theres as much difference between your average mature adult having friends over for a barbecue, and the days of kegstands, blaring music, and general drunken stupidity.

Granted, your parties might involve tupperware and Chablis, but if you are the average college guy, then I somehow doubt it.

VUPDblue · August 3, 2007, 09:38 AM

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Theres as much difference between your average mature adult having friends over for a barbecue, and the days of kegstands, blaring music, and general drunken stupidity.

Granted, your parties might involve tupperware and Chablis, but if you are the average college guy, then I somehow doubt it.

I'm gonna say they were somewhere in between

strong · August 3, 2007, 10:48 AM

Black out drinking and loaded firearms in your house don't mix. Wait until you get the diploma and some maturity.

I think having firearms for recreational shooting stored is fine, just not in a home defense capacity. That means ammo separate until the weekend or whenever.

Trip20 · August 3, 2007, 12:44 PM

I really don't understand the blanket dismissal of the idea. Not all college age studends navigate life with a beerbong surgically implanted to their face.

It's possible to own/secure firearms living with room mates; even college age room mates. It only takes some thought and discretion.

Wildalaska · August 3, 2007, 01:03 PM

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Not all college age studends navigate life with a beerbong surgically implanted to their face.

Why not? Thats what college is for.

In my peak years at NYU, with a healthy diet of beer, weed, amphetamines, two jobs, a girlfriend and all the sanzzle and panazzle of NYC I managed to keep that beerbong implanted and pull a 3.9 GPA at a time when ya had to earn it...

Discipline! You are young! Work hard and play hard before your belly takes over.!!!!

WildpaintgoodyearacrossmygutAlaska

August 1, 2007, 10:34 PM	#1
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	Room Mates Part Deux Well, the original thread on how to secure a residence that is inhabited by more than one person was shut down due to a major violation on the part of the original poster. I feel that this thread contained some good information and conversation. For the sake of more conversation, lets continue. The assumption being that a person feels the need to keep a firearm for protection and the residence is subject to frequent gatherings by friends and acquaintences. How does one accomplish this safely? What are major concerns related to being in a collegiate atmosphere? As some of you know, the "U" in my username is for "University" so I am a bit schooled in this area. Lets hear some thoughts... __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

August 1, 2007, 11:15 PM	#2
redblair Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 313	As much as I hate to write this I just don't think college and dorm life are safe environments for guns. Some people will be able to provide a proper safe and ensure that the guns don't end up in the hands of the wrong person but it's very difficult to do. Where do you bolt the safe? To a stud in a low rent apartment? Once it's known there is a gun in the house the risk of theft is very high. Sometime patience is a really good thing. My 2. B __________________ There are people with experience and people with opinions. Listen to one, smile at the other. Dec. 15, 1791

August 1, 2007, 11:18 PM	#4
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	Ok, the two don't mix. Suppose you and one of your roomies are not partiers. Police officers, in fact. The other 3 roomies are partiers. What to do then? Tell them they can't party? Switch careers? Move? __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

August 2, 2007, 08:21 AM	#6
redblair Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 313	Lets face it if even one unauthorized person has access things can get ungly really fast. If one party boy or girl knows that said gun is in said location then many will know. Not a safe proposition. B __________________ There are people with experience and people with opinions. Listen to one, smile at the other. Dec. 15, 1791

August 2, 2007, 11:37 AM	#10
Tanzer Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2007 Posts: 884	The fact that the original thread was closed because the guy was using multiple identities should show that his judgement is poor to begin with. Try to plan how any given day will go, and see if things turn out as you planned. never happens, does it? I'm sorry if it offends college kids to say that they are immature, but they are. It's a matter of time on earth. A gun in a party house is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. As a sailor, I can say with certainty that the unexpected WILL happen. __________________ Only the ignorant find ignorance to be bliss. Only those of us who know better will suffer from it.

August 1, 2007, 11:15 PM	#3
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Party atmospheres and guns don't mix. WildtrustmeAlaska

August 2, 2007, 10:04 AM	#8
JoeBlackSpade Senior Member Join Date: July 4, 2007 Posts: 162	Let's face it: only YOU really know if you can store a firearm safely in your pad- roomates or not. With regards to alcohol, its stupid to think that guns and drinking can ever mix. If you want to know what happens when they do, even under the best intentions, just look back at the Old West, when men carried their sidearms into the Saloon. Undertakers were very busy back then. With alcohol, tempers flair and judgement is the first thing to go out the window. If you're going to live in a fairly confined space, where there is alcohol, don't introduce a firearm into that environment. Its a recipe for disaster. Not only for you, but for your roomates. Personally, I'm NEVER going to trust others around my weapons. I paid for my training with sweat and tears, and unless I know that the "next guy" has been through the same thing, I'm going to assume that he's a blithering idiot when it comes to guns, until he proves me wrong. This is a good rule. Say it with me now: "EVERYONE ELSE is a blithering idiot when it comes to firearms". LOL. Believe that about everyone who may gain access to your firearm, unless you have sufficient reason not to, i.e., they are law enforcement or military with experience. Even your best buddy who shoots a squirrel gun may not be familiar with handguns. If you go back to the thread that was closed, I posted a picture of an extendable baton. This is perfect for your needs. Not every problem finds its solution with a firearm. Being able to understand that is the first step towards mature and responsible ownership of a firearm eventually. I happen to know for a FACT that the D.C. Park Police SWAT team carries these, and many, many Marine and Army MP's and Security Force Battalions carry these as standard issue weapons when on post. I carried one as well. My opinion is they are awesome. And non-lethal. Check them out.

August 2, 2007, 10:57 AM	#9
Lurper Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2006 Posts: 943	Seems like a no-brainer to me. Get one of the pistol safes that have the electronic lock and either bolt it to the floor or a piece of furniture. Do your roomates even need to know that you have a gun?

August 2, 2007, 11:49 AM	#11
The Tourist Junior member Join Date: June 20, 2005 Posts: 2,348	I was very sorry the thread was closed, but perhaps not for the reason many think. It seems now that everyone has to be each other's friend. No one seems to be accountable. No one wants bad news. Nicole Richie can drive backwards on a one-way street and it's all just one entertaining goof. Britney Spears' kid is going to be in therapy for years. When I typed my opinion, I planned to be flamed, and in many ways I didn't care. The very idea that there was going to be a condition where foot traffic, college kids, planned inebriation and firearms were going to mix was flat out foolish. And childish. And selfish. You know what they told Spiderman, don't you? With great power comes great responsibility. And alcohol and firearms in that environment is not responsible. The gentleman may have to move. But more to the point, I'm concerned when someone believes there's a responsible way to handle this. His plans need to be re-evaluated.

August 2, 2007, 01:57 PM	#12
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	Ok, let me ask all of you this: Do you ever drink at home? Do you ever have a dinner party or other type of gathering? If so, do you serve alcohol? And if you answer 'yes' to any of the above, what do you do with your firearms? __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

August 2, 2007, 02:14 PM	#13
Ledbetter Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Location: California USA Posts: 4,533	Why my home is different No one comes in unless I say it's okay. This question was posed about a situation where access to the residence is virtually uncontrolled. The guns in my house are all locked securely away when people, except a very few, are visiting, and the location is not generally known. (My safe is not kept in any "common" area of the house.) __________________ Regards, Ledbetter from thefiringline TFL #4573 NRA for Life Winchester Canyon Gun Club for Life

August 2, 2007, 08:33 PM	#14
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	I read the original post but not the entire thread. did anyone else catch that he mentioned he would probly be drinking regularly but that he was only 19? off topic I know, I apologize but I just couldn't let that slide. I think we know where I'm going with this so I'll drop it before I get into a rant. anyway on topic and speaking from experiance. if at all possible don't even let your roommates know that you even have a gun. if you can hide the safe do that too. and make sure it's a secure strorage device. a friend of mine had a wood cabinet with a glass front and no lock. he couldn't get it up the stairs so it had to go in the livingroom. he put a cable lock on the door handles but at one of the many parties his ex-girlfriend threw some lowlife managed to slip their arm into the cabinet and make off with his .25 raven. $80 dollar mistake but the scarrier part is some theif and possible drug addict (I've seen the kind of people she would bring over) has a small easily concelable handgun thats in someone else's name. currently I live in a motorhome in an RV park and while for the most part everyone else has RVs far more valuable than mine I try to not even let anyone else see me taking my guns in and out of the truck. and I managed to fit a locker in my motorhome to keep my guns secure. __________________ I don't collect guns, I accumulate them.

August 2, 2007, 10:30 PM	#17
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	Lets get this train on its track. My situation is over and done with. It was ten years ago. Mine and my partner's gear lived in the car, which lived at the department, as we lived outside of our own jurisdiction. The only gear that came home on a regular basis was the badge and sometimes the vest. However, we each did have weapons of our own. The partying that went down at our place wasn't the likes of what happened on Animal House. Sure the idiot roomies had people over from time to time, but it was pretty subdued. The situation I find that I am picturing in my head is one or two individuals looking for a place to crash or get away from it all and then stumbling upon an unsecured weapon. "Hey everybody, look what I found" (yelling from the top of the stairs). It was pretty hard to stumble into our room as the door had a deadbolt on it (lucky it was there when we moved in). Each of us had a pistol and a safe, ones of the type that has the finger grooves on the top where you key-in the combo. I still have mine as a matter of fact. They were screwed to the floor next to our respective beds. I used to put my empty laundry basket upside-down over mine just to keep it out of sight. The beds were on opposite sides of the large bedroom and the safes were between the beds and the wall. I don't know how much more secure you can make things and still have your weapon somewhat readily available. I felt that this was a pretty good way of having a weapon while living in a college town. __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

August 2, 2007, 10:48 PM	#18
SatanzBountyHunter Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 128	You threw the question out there, so I answered with the best opinion I had. Sounds like you had things under control from the beginning. __________________ Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run, cause we're them 'ol boys raised on shotguns. We say "grace" and we say "ma'am" if you ain't into that we don't give a damn -Bocephus

August 2, 2007, 11:05 PM	#19
Tanzer Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2007 Posts: 884	I have a glass of wine sitting beside me. Finished another glass twenty minutes ago, and my gun is on my hip. But I'm not going on any pantie raids at my neighbor's house, and my wife isn't staggering around the den. I'm finishing this glass and going to bed. (hic) g'nite! __________________ Only the ignorant find ignorance to be bliss. Only those of us who know better will suffer from it.

August 2, 2007, 11:07 PM	#20
redblair Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 313	VUPD, It reads as though you did the best you could with an imperfect situation (aren't they all.) To answer your question. No I don't drink anymore. I have people over but no wine with dinner, no sherry as an aperitif, no after dinner cognac. I've become quite boring as I've aged. But much more responsible as well. B __________________ There are people with experience and people with opinions. Listen to one, smile at the other. Dec. 15, 1791

August 3, 2007, 09:34 AM	#21
JoeBlackSpade Senior Member Join Date: July 4, 2007 Posts: 162	I drink frequently, and when I have friends over we hang out by the bar, or out back by the grill. During the college years, however, I (vaguely) remember people "crashing" everywhere. We used to go through KEGS like dirty underwear, and there'd be couples randomly scattered around the house/apartment/condo (depending on where the party was) at all hours. Massive acres of carpet were ruined. Sheets weren't changed, MATTRESSES were. Bathtubs were used for the storage of ice and beer. The refrigerator contained zero vegetables, and was well stocked with pizza boxes, chinese food cartons, and wine coolers for the ladies. Shoes on the furniture was o.k. The first guy to fall asleep lost his eyebrows to warm shaving cream and a razor. Any rectangular box-like structure qualified as a T.V. stand. At least 3 people vomited before the party was over. The police would make a minimum of one visit every third party, prematurely ending the festivities, and giving us all something to talk about until the next one. Theres as much difference between your average mature adult having friends over for a barbecue, and the days of kegstands, blaring music, and general drunken stupidity. Granted, your parties might involve tupperware and Chablis, but if you are the average college guy, then I somehow doubt it.

August 3, 2007, 10:48 AM	#23
strong Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Posts: 31	Black out drinking and loaded firearms in your house don't mix. Wait until you get the diploma and some maturity. I think having firearms for recreational shooting stored is fine, just not in a home defense capacity. That means ammo separate until the weekend or whenever.

August 3, 2007, 12:44 PM	#24
Trip20 Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 2,181	I really don't understand the blanket dismissal of the idea. Not all college age studends navigate life with a beerbong surgically implanted to their face. It's possible to own/secure firearms living with room mates; even college age room mates. It only takes some thought and discretion.