March 9, 2011, 05:56 PM | #26 |
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One thing should be mentioned---The 3rd comes in gray box and if inlay is not cracked---it's good and what makes it even better is if you have the white shipping box They are getting fewer. I did see a RE Lee in all its boxes for just over $1000.00 on Guns International. That is a 2nd and probably good deal for collector.
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The bastards reblued my pistol, in doing so polished off the cylinder scenes and the barrel markings. I regret not sending the thing back for replacement as they ruined it. Quote:
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Dang.... Well, I guess now we need to discuss if anyone cares to, the quality and reliability of shootin them or the collector that never fired his or hers. I had an 1860 Army that I fired and shot great compared to the others. But I had an 1851 Navy 3rd that had the prettiest grips in the world made out of wood but couldn't hit a can at 15 ft. Um...
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The letter you posted explains a lot. You sent your gun back to Colt Black Powder Firearms which is an entirely different entity than Colt. As Fingers, Hawg and MCB pointed out the third gens were not manufactured by Colt and are not recognised as Colts. They were manufactured by Lou Imperato (also the founder of Henry Firearms) in Brooklyn, NY. Interesting is that Lou made most of the 2nd gens also but those were inspected by Colt and therefore recognised and warrented by them. |
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denster is right.. The 3rd gen colts came w/ black manual and a warranty only by them-- Colt Black Powder Firearms. But, they do have colt stamped on them and are out of production. That is where I see some value in them, not to shoot but collect. As for example, the Marine 7.5 inch dragoon w/gold cylinder, screws, and loading lever, less than 1000 were made. How many did the Italians make in the last 12 years? But...I thought Laugh-In would outlive HeeHaw..so what do I know
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It's my understanding that Lou was a wheeler dealer and as many revolvers went out the back door as the front door. Repeat sales and quality was not at the top of the list. My 3rd gens all have a great finish but most needed some finial fitting to make them 100%. All are good shooters with a tune up. |
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March 14, 2011, 06:47 PM | #32 |
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I have one (3rd)1849 pocket left that is PURE coated with silverplating(backstrap/trigger guard) Even though there is some flaking, it is a showpiece to most.It's gorgeous. Not everyone critiques these or has the info or knowledge about these 3rds that you have. That is why I think these postings are useful to the interested collector investing. The other 3rd 49 appeared to be nickel plated. I think right now in 2011, the collector is looking for these that are still in a perfect no crack liner. The liners gave way to many since they were light cardboard w/scant of felt? And possibly Wd 40 or other lubicants dissolved the cardboard or just clumsy handling. But the ones that are not cracked in that gray box, that has colt manual along with white shipping box should be a must for serious collecters to demand when shopping for collectble BP revolvers.
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So to reiterate and also forget the arguments over whether they are true colts or not, is too determine their value and future value. They are out of production guns that have colt stamped on them. I just want to reinforce investment value to those interested in buying-- to make sure those boxes are not cracked and shipping box/ manual comes to.
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And one more thing before my stupi wind gives out and I'll leave yu alone for awhile.
I remember being about 7 years old getting a Mattel six shooter that looked just like the real McCoy that even had rotating cylinder where you put brass cartridges that spring loaded a grey bullet and a stick on cap. I talked w/ some older folks and everyone had one. They all said they lost their gray bullets /just like I did/ and no one still has them. I haven't checked internet on these but the holsters were great they remember. I think they were called "fanners." Does anyone still have theirs? I bet if you had one still in box w/papers / holster --you'd have a real pricy piece |
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Okay, I talked w/ retired gentleman that worked for colt and was instrumental in the licensed company Colt Blackpowder Arms. He said that this company was licensed to build the 3rd gen colts/ assembled in Brookland and everygun was inspected by Colt International (of course parts came from Italy as so did for the 2nd gens) before they were stamped Colt. Colt kept inventory and did not let one go out without Colt inspection .
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Besides spelling Brooklyn incorrectly, your 'inside information' flies in the face of this quote from the article "History of Colt reproductions' by Dennis Adler.
"Imperato organized the Colt Blackpowder Arms Company in Brooklyn, New York in 1993. A year later, the 3rd Generation Colt Blackpowder Signature Series was introduced under a licensing agreement with Colt's Manufacturing Company, Inc. Under this new "licensing" arrangement, Imperato not only manufactured the 3rd Generation black powder revolvers, he was also responsible for quality control, final inspection, marketing, advertising, sales, distribution and shipping to distributors or customers." Ref: https://www.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF...fColtBlack.pdf |
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Well,I apoligize for my spelling since I only type with one finger. I was just telling you what a retired man from that company by the name of( K. England) told me. Maybe you are right. But he told me that they were inspected by Colt. I wasn't there. I don't know. In fact, the Colt Handgun book says the 3rds were all made by Uberti. But, they are in the colt book as being colts.
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March 19, 2011, 05:33 PM | #38 |
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Sounds like somebody is getting their chain jerked.
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March 19, 2011, 05:40 PM | #39 |
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Thanks for the pic and add for the mattel fanner I want it.
Well, as far as getting my chain jerked, won't be the first or probably the last. Just relaying info. As I said, I wasn't there. I rely on all of you for accurate info. And I believe you. I guess, it is up to the collector, hobbyist, shooter etc to decide what they are. Thank You WBH |
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YW Hardy. There's also auctions for the gunbelt and the brass bullets that filled the loops.
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March 19, 2011, 07:19 PM | #41 |
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Dang I believe you had one or you want one too I looked at that box and everything. The cartridges have springs and pop the little gray bullets. Be kinda fun in the den--wouldn't it |
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I had a buddy that had one. I was just trying to help you out.
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March 20, 2011, 03:17 PM | #43 |
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You did...thanks. I'm wondering about that biding price though
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March 20, 2011, 11:29 PM | #44 |
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I wish I had my Mattel, Hubley and all my other toy firearms and accessories from the late 50's - early 60's. I would not only be a minor celebrity but also be somewhat richer today. Anyway it was a fun time to grow up with all the westerns on TV and the movie theaters and then being able to buy the same guns and outfits at your local toy store and pretend you were your favorite western hero in playing with your friends and switching back to the bad guys because someone had to play them. Nobody thought anything wrong with this and I am glad I grew up in this time period. My now young adult children did not have this experience and I think they were deprived of a lot of childhood fun. I am trying to somehow get my 4 year old granddaughter involved in western & gun culture. It is not easy as children are taught that any type of gun is bad nowadays but I am trying.
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I talked at the um watering hole w/ 2 guys that are 60+ and I ain't far behind--- about these fanners. They beamed and screamed---" I had a pair of them!!!" Best toy gun ever made!" And they wished they still had them. One guy who was a football star at Marshall way back swore up and down that the holsters were better than any. Well, I don't know about that. But I remember they were not made out of plastic. Maybe a light weight steel? And one asked if I remembered the "Paladin" gun that not only had the chess piece on the holster but also on the black grip? I think I do, but that is way back vague. But you know what? Maybe these childhood memories of OUR kids' guns should go to another topic. Heck, at least they were not video! I still want to see more info on colt collectibles. HEY HEY |
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I'd like to show some of these 3rd gens---Yall want pics?
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Yes, it's about time!
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March 23, 2011, 10:44 PM | #48 |
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ok within 2 days
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TEASE!!!!
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No, my camera is loaded w real estate appraisals. As soon as I get them down and deleted-tommorrow- I'm gonna show some fantassstical pics!!!! Do you want just 3rds or others too?
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