"Skeeter Loads" for .45 Colt

TheLastGoodFight · February 11, 2017, 09:51 PM

I've been shooting a lot of .44 special lately with a 240grn "Elmer" bullet over 7.5grns of Unique, which I believe was Skelton's "pet load." I would like to replicate this round in .45 Colt using a 255grn Elmer bullet. I would prefer to remain in my Unique comfort zone, but would be willing to open my mind a smidge if absolutely necessary. Any suggestions?

Side note- Somewhere along the way Skeeter mentioned a good larger North American game .44 spec round that was a bit more potent than the above mentioned load but I've been unable to locate it. Does anyone have that info, and is it a safe round to shoot through modern Smiths?
Lastly, does the 240, 7.5grn load need a gas check? I've had some fouling issues in my s&w 21-4, which surprised me given Mr. Keith supposedly designed his bullet to be used without one. Thanks in advance.

Pathfinder45 · February 12, 2017, 12:07 AM

There is plenty of load data out there using Unique in 45 Colt with cast lead bullets. Pick a load that will give the velocity you are looking for. 8.5 grains is pretty standard, and hard to go wrong with.

**44 AMP** · February 12, 2017, 12:24 AM

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Lastly, does the 240, 7.5grn load need a gas check? I've had some fouling issues in my s&w 21-4, which surprised me given Mr. Keith supposedly designed his bullet to be used without one.

Leading is not dependent on if the bullet is designed for a gas check, or not. Even gas checked bullets can cause leading if things aren't right.

Cast bullets need to be both the correct alloy hardness for the velocity they are being fired at, AND they need to be properly sized to fit the bore. Both of these things have to be correct, or you can have leading problems.

the design of the bullet doesn't mean it can't be too soft, too hard, over, or undersized. That depends on the caster & sizer.

TheLastGoodFight · February 12, 2017, 09:22 AM

I am using a #430240EK from Missouri Bullet Company, diameter .430 made for .44 spec/mag. I've yet to dabble in my own casting yet. I'm having a hard enough time getting mass produced products to yield favorable results.

rodfac · February 12, 2017, 09:47 AM

For the leading issues with your .44 and commercial cast bullets, try the Lee Liquid Alox, swirl lubing technique right over the top of the commercial lube. It's worked for me so well, that I routinely swirl lube any commercial lead alloy bullets before use.

For Skeeter's pet, standard load for the .45 Colt, I remember in one of his writings using 8.0 - 8.3 gr of Unique behind either the flat point round nosed bullet (Lyman's 454190) as well as the Keith replica (Lyman 454424). I cast both of them from straight wheel weights with a pinch of tin to help mold fill out.

Missouri Bullet Co. mimics these two venerable designe with their .45 Colt Cowboy #1 at 250 grains (RNFP) & the Elmer K at 255 grains (LSWC). I've shot the Elmer Keith one with good results ~2.5" 25 yds from a New Vaquero, but have no experience with the other. Both are relatively hard bullets at 18 brinell but I got no leading (using the add'l Lee lubing technique).

Best Regards, Rod

huntinaz · February 12, 2017, 10:00 AM

8.5-9gr Unique and a 250-260gr SWC is classic stuff in the 45 Colt.

rclark · February 12, 2017, 11:06 AM

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Lastly, does the 240, 7.5grn load need a gas check?

No. I've loaded from 600fps to 1300fps with lead bullets with no significant leading. As said above, leading can be caused by multiple things. Throat dimensions, bullet diameter, barrel constrictions, and bullet hardness are usual culprits, To hard a bullet driven slow, or to soft driven to fast cause leading. For .44 Special 12-15 BRN hardness should be a about right.

black mamba · February 12, 2017, 11:29 AM

I highly recommend Missouri Bullet's coated bullets. They are clean to handle and cleaner to shoot. I love Herco with cast bullets, and 9-9½ grains is great with the 255 SWC.

sghart3578 · February 12, 2017, 06:44 PM

I load a Lee 255 gr RFN, as cast and lubed with Lee Alox over 8.5 gr of Unique.

I shoot this in my Vaquero, my Blackhawk and my Rossi '92 (that I have since sold).

It is accurate, soft shooting and will do the job. In my opinion it is the first and last load that you need.

Steve in N CA

TheLastGoodFight · February 12, 2017, 09:19 PM

This is all great info. I sincerely appreciate everyone's participation.

Real Gun · February 13, 2017, 08:15 AM

"Ruger only" loads do not include your Smith & Wesson. Be careful.

I have done well with 9.0 gr Unique and 250-255 gr lead, but I shoot it in a Ruger NM Blackhawk. I believe my Vaquero would handle it too.

huntinaz · February 13, 2017, 08:31 AM

http://http://sixguns.com/tests/tt45lc.htm

9gr should be fine according to Taffin. I liked that load but have a lot of Herco so been using that at about 8.5gr.

Paul B. · February 13, 2017, 05:15 PM

"I am using a #430240EK from Missouri Bullet Company, diameter .430 made for .44 spec/mag. I've yet to dabble in my own casting yet. I'm having a hard enough time getting mass produced products to yield favorable results."-

I feed several .44 Spl. and mag. handguns and have found that bullets sized .431" work a lot better. Very little leading and they're accurate in my revolvers.
Of course, I do my own casting. it's the only way to get exactly what I want.
Paul B.

GeauxTide · February 14, 2017, 01:51 PM

8-9 grains of Unique will be dandy. Missouri bullets are excellent.

salvadore · February 15, 2017, 02:06 AM

I had a .44spec. With a cylinder of .435 and a bore of .427, if I had sized to the bore, gas cutting would have been monumental. I don't think that big of difference is common, but sizing to the bore may not be a good idea.

February 12, 2017, 09:47 AM	#5
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	For the leading issues with your .44 and commercial cast bullets, try the Lee Liquid Alox, swirl lubing technique right over the top of the commercial lube. It's worked for me so well, that I routinely swirl lube any commercial lead alloy bullets before use. For Skeeter's pet, standard load for the .45 Colt, I remember in one of his writings using 8.0 - 8.3 gr of Unique behind either the flat point round nosed bullet (Lyman's 454190) as well as the Keith replica (Lyman 454424). I cast both of them from straight wheel weights with a pinch of tin to help mold fill out. Missouri Bullet Co. mimics these two venerable designe with their .45 Colt Cowboy #1 at 250 grains (RNFP) & the Elmer K at 255 grains (LSWC). I've shot the Elmer Keith one with good results ~2.5" 25 yds from a New Vaquero, but have no experience with the other. Both are relatively hard bullets at 18 brinell but I got no leading (using the add'l Lee lubing technique). Best Regards, Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

February 12, 2017, 10:00 AM	#6
huntinaz Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Location: az Posts: 1,332	8.5-9gr Unique and a 250-260gr SWC is classic stuff in the 45 Colt. __________________ "When there’s lead in the air, there’s hope in the heart”- Hunter’s Proverb "Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy

February 13, 2017, 08:15 AM	#11
Real Gun Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Location: SC Posts: 2,743	"Ruger only" loads do not include your Smith & Wesson. Be careful. I have done well with 9.0 gr Unique and 250-255 gr lead, but I shoot it in a Ruger NM Blackhawk. I believe my Vaquero would handle it too. __________________ Not an expert, just a reporter.

February 13, 2017, 08:31 AM	#12
huntinaz Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Location: az Posts: 1,332	http://http://sixguns.com/tests/tt45lc.htm 9gr should be fine according to Taffin. I liked that load but have a lot of Herco so been using that at about 8.5gr. __________________ "When there’s lead in the air, there’s hope in the heart”- Hunter’s Proverb "Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy

February 13, 2017, 05:15 PM	#13
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,803	"I am using a #430240EK from Missouri Bullet Company, diameter .430 made for .44 spec/mag. I've yet to dabble in my own casting yet. I'm having a hard enough time getting mass produced products to yield favorable results."- I feed several .44 Spl. and mag. handguns and have found that bullets sized .431" work a lot better. Very little leading and they're accurate in my revolvers. Of course, I do my own casting. it's the only way to get exactly what I want. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

February 11, 2017, 09:51 PM	#1
TheLastGoodFight Member Join Date: August 2, 2016 Location: Eastern OK Posts: 59	"Skeeter Loads" for .45 Colt I've been shooting a lot of .44 special lately with a 240grn "Elmer" bullet over 7.5grns of Unique, which I believe was Skelton's "pet load." I would like to replicate this round in .45 Colt using a 255grn Elmer bullet. I would prefer to remain in my Unique comfort zone, but would be willing to open my mind a smidge if absolutely necessary. Any suggestions? Side note- Somewhere along the way Skeeter mentioned a good larger North American game .44 spec round that was a bit more potent than the above mentioned load but I've been unable to locate it. Does anyone have that info, and is it a safe round to shoot through modern Smiths? Lastly, does the 240, 7.5grn load need a gas check? I've had some fouling issues in my s&w 21-4, which surprised me given Mr. Keith supposedly designed his bullet to be used without one. Thanks in advance.

February 12, 2017, 12:07 AM	#2
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	There is plenty of load data out there using Unique in 45 Colt with cast lead bullets. Pick a load that will give the velocity you are looking for. 8.5 grains is pretty standard, and hard to go wrong with.

February 12, 2017, 09:22 AM	#4
TheLastGoodFight Member Join Date: August 2, 2016 Location: Eastern OK Posts: 59	I am using a #430240EK from Missouri Bullet Company, diameter .430 made for .44 spec/mag. I've yet to dabble in my own casting yet. I'm having a hard enough time getting mass produced products to yield favorable results.

February 12, 2017, 11:29 AM	#8
black mamba Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: SW Florida Posts: 890	I highly recommend Missouri Bullet's coated bullets. They are clean to handle and cleaner to shoot. I love Herco with cast bullets, and 9-9½ grains is great with the 255 SWC.

February 12, 2017, 06:44 PM	#9
sghart3578 Member Join Date: August 30, 2015 Posts: 64	I load a Lee 255 gr RFN, as cast and lubed with Lee Alox over 8.5 gr of Unique. I shoot this in my Vaquero, my Blackhawk and my Rossi '92 (that I have since sold). It is accurate, soft shooting and will do the job. In my opinion it is the first and last load that you need. Steve in N CA

February 12, 2017, 09:19 PM	#10
TheLastGoodFight Member Join Date: August 2, 2016 Location: Eastern OK Posts: 59	This is all great info. I sincerely appreciate everyone's participation.

February 14, 2017, 01:51 PM	#14
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,426	8-9 grains of Unique will be dandy. Missouri bullets are excellent.

February 15, 2017, 02:06 AM	#15
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	I had a .44spec. With a cylinder of .435 and a bore of .427, if I had sized to the bore, gas cutting would have been monumental. I don't think that big of difference is common, but sizing to the bore may not be a good idea.