CEOs from 145 Companies Demand Gun Control Measures

MTT TL · September 17, 2019, 07:02 PM

They decided to send a letter to the Senate. I don't know why the focus is on the Senate, I hear that there are "many" people in both parties that support these measures.

Text of Letter:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1

They are asking for Red Flag Laws and Background checks for PPS. It is a lot of the usual suspects like Dick's, Bloomberg, Group Nine Media, Levi's, Reddit, Yelp, Uber, Air BnB and a bunch of smaller companies I have never heard of.

Bartholomew Roberts · September 17, 2019, 07:09 PM

Yeah, you’ll be able to boycott about 3/4 of that list without even trying or reading who is on it.

BBarn · September 17, 2019, 08:00 PM

Saw it a few days back. Nearly 2/3 of the companies are small (less than 500 employees). Not sure I use or do business with any of the companies on the list.

USNRet93 · September 18, 2019, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MTT TL

They decided to send a letter to the Senate. I don't know why the focus is on the Senate, I hear that there are "many" people in both parties that support these measures.

Text of Letter:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1

They are asking for Red Flag Laws and Background checks for PPS. It is a lot of the usual suspects like Dick's, Bloomberg, Group Nine Media, Levi's, Reddit, Yelp, Uber, Air BnB and a bunch of smaller companies I have never heard of.

Cuz McConnell(Senate) won't even let these come to the floor for a vote..cuz that would put more than a few GOP Senators on the record..which, regardless of how they vote, could hurt their chances of re-election..since, unlike the House, their race is statewide, not limited to a district..They are in a tough spot, IMHO...

**4V50 Gary** · September 19, 2019, 12:06 AM

CEOs? The same people the left villify as greedy corporate executives?

**44 AMP** · September 19, 2019, 04:06 PM

Virtue signaling? isn't that what they call it now?

Buy my product because I (we) are morally superior, due to our public stance on this, or that, issue....

personally, I think anyone inferring they are morally superior for any reason, isn't...but, that's just me..

Mike38 · September 19, 2019, 06:43 PM

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I don't know why the focus is on the Senate,.....

Could be that since the House has a Democrat majority, they know how the vote would go down. Since the Senate has a Republican majority, that's the people they have to sway.

MTT TL · September 19, 2019, 08:12 PM

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CEOs? The same people the left villify as greedy corporate executives?

These are "enlightened" CEOs. They give money away to leftist causes, sell blue jeans and want to ban guns so they are ok. They will be the last ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

Pathfinder45 · September 20, 2019, 02:38 AM

While I can fully support the rights of these individuals to speak their views, what I find to be truly objectionable in this, is that they presume that their opinions are more valid than other citizens that aren't CEO's of a corporation. Indeed they presume to speak for everyone that works for them. They think they matter more than a laborer trying to feed their family. If it were not so, then why do they make a point that they are such important leaders? They could all just write letters to their own senators or newspaper editors in their own name, speak their views, and let it stand or fall on it's own merits.
I wouldn't know the name of a single person on this list. But if someone enlightens me to the fact that so-and-so happens to be the CEO of such-and-such,....Well then, this person is really important; and they really matter; and you don't; and neither do I. I find this to be far more offensive than the content of the letter.
But perhaps the facts, the truth, and true merit are irrelevant....Maybe only the people with 7 or 8-figure incomes and above matter anymore. A lot of what they said actually sounds good and reasonable on the surface, yet I sense there are devils in the details.

J.G. Terry · September 20, 2019, 03:57 AM

What's the payoff for the CEO's and their companies. Wonder how the stockholders are responding? I'd like to know exactly what is the motivation for these high risk moves. I'm waiting to see how this plays out. Don't have a crystal ball.

**4V50 Gary** · September 20, 2019, 05:48 AM

Rich and powerful fear a peasant uprising?

**Tom Servo** · September 20, 2019, 09:17 AM

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CEOs? The same people the left villify as greedy corporate executives?

Some terms and conditions apply®. Not valid if said CEO donates to the correct political causes. See also: Michael Bloomberg.

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What's the payoff for the CEO's and their companies.

Gillette and Dick's Sporting Goods both saw losses as a result of their virtue signaling. I can't imagine shareholders were happy about that. The best I can figure is these CEO's feel so strongly they're willing to take the heat for it.

Even if it doesn't hurt the bottom line, I can't imagine it particularly helps. Most people aren't so involved with the issue that they're going to suddenly switch their investment portfolio to include Door Dash or Omnicom on the the basis of this silly petition.

**44 AMP** · September 20, 2019, 02:12 PM

It is being called "virtue signaling" but its not. PANDERING is not a virtue.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 20, 2019, 05:05 PM

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Yeah, you’ll be able to boycott about 3/4 of that list without even trying or reading who is on it.

I just read through the list. I don't deal with any of them, but I guess if I'm already ignoring them it doesn't really qualify as "boycotting" them. They're just irrelevant to my life.

Double Naught Spy · September 20, 2019, 08:52 PM

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What's the payoff for the CEO's and their companies. Wonder how the stockholders are responding? I'd like to know exactly what is the motivation for these high risk moves. I'm waiting to see how this plays out. Don't have a crystal ball.

What risk? These companies fear virtually no backlash from the gun community that will be noticeable. As AB noted, he doesn't deal with any of them. At most, I am guessing that folks might deal with one or two on a very limited basis.

On a lot of the companies, the stockholders are just a few people who are probably like minded. In most cases, the stockholders probably don't know that this has gone on or don't care so long as the company is making the money.

Bartholomew Roberts · September 20, 2019, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by USNRet93

Cuz McConnell(Senate) won't even let these come to the floor for a vote..cuz that would put more than a few GOP Senators on the record..which, regardless of how they vote, could hurt their chances of re-election..since, unlike the House, their race is statewide, not limited to a district..They are in a tough spot, IMHO...

I can see you are unfamiliar with the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tarbaby.

Doc Intrepid · September 20, 2019, 11:17 PM

Don't know if virtue signaling has much to do with it, as it would imply they're signalling to their customers.

To me sending the letter smacks of old-fashioned "One-Upmanship". Its aimed at people who are NOT their customer base. It says:

"I'm Woke and You're Not"

simonov jr · September 21, 2019, 12:08 AM

No more Walmart groceries for this family

Bartholomew Roberts · September 21, 2019, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Intrepid

Don't know if virtue signaling has much to do with it, as it would imply they're signalling to their customers.

Solid point. I don’t think they are signaling their customers so much as they are signaling their neighbors. And their neighbors likely don’t have a lot of practical use for personal armed self defense.

buck460XVR · September 21, 2019, 06:41 AM

Most of those company names on that list have been known to be pro gun control for a while now. No big surprise there.

They have their opinions and I have mine. I ask folks respect my opinion, thus I respect those opinions of others. If folks with a opinion different than mine produces a product that I desire, either because of quality or cost, their difference of opinion will probably not deter my purchase. My purchase does not mean I agree with them. Gun laws change by those we vote in office, not by whose products we buy.

Bartholomew Roberts · September 21, 2019, 06:59 AM

That’s a load of crap. These are people who want to upend the Constitution of the United States. The whole reason the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution was to help it pass originally.

You don’t ask folk who want to see you lined up against a wall and shot to “respect your opinion.” I mean, you can ask them. I’ve seen how that plays out in many places and we are at 100% on “hasn’t worked yet.”

If you think where you spend your dollars doesn’t matter, you are living in a fantasy land. What’s more, the people who don’t agree with you aren’t living their lives in that fantasy.

USNRet93 · September 21, 2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 44 AMP

It is being called "virtue signaling" but its not. PANDERING is not a virtue.

Anybody, without a true ideology, who does or says something to either line their pockets or to keep them in power, is ‘pandering’....not sure that applies as their ‘bottom line’ may indeed get impacted by this.

peterg7 · September 21, 2019, 09:47 AM

So can one take credit for a boycott even if one doesn’t patronize to begin with? If so I’ll boycott the whole list with emphasis on Beyond Meat, that just sounds evil.

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**44 AMP** · September 21, 2019, 12:15 PM

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.not sure that applies as their ‘bottom line’ may indeed get impacted by this.

I think it applies, affecting their "bottom line" it the point of pandering (aka "sucking up"). However, sometimes, it doesn't work out the way the panderer intends...

rickyrick · September 21, 2019, 06:14 PM

Well that’s a kick in the craw

I actually like Beyond Meat

September 17, 2019, 07:02 PM	#1
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,779	CEOs from 145 Companies Demand Gun Control Measures They decided to send a letter to the Senate. I don't know why the focus is on the Senate, I hear that there are "many" people in both parties that support these measures. Text of Letter: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1 They are asking for Red Flag Laws and Background checks for PPS. It is a lot of the usual suspects like Dick's, Bloomberg, Group Nine Media, Levi's, Reddit, Yelp, Uber, Air BnB and a bunch of smaller companies I have never heard of. __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

September 19, 2019, 12:06 AM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,306	CEOs? The same people the left villify as greedy corporate executives? __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

September 19, 2019, 04:06 PM	#6
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,484	Virtue signaling? isn't that what they call it now? Buy my product because I (we) are morally superior, due to our public stance on this, or that, issue.... personally, I think anyone inferring they are morally superior for any reason, isn't...but, that's just me.. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 20, 2019, 03:57 AM	#10
J.G. Terry Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2014 Posts: 577	What's the payoff for the CEO's and their companies. Wonder how the stockholders are responding? I'd like to know exactly what is the motivation for these high risk moves. I'm waiting to see how this plays out. Don't have a crystal ball. __________________ Intentionally Antagonizing Another MemberInsults and Ad Hominems

September 20, 2019, 05:48 AM	#11
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 22,306	Rich and powerful fear a peasant uprising? __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

September 17, 2019, 07:09 PM	#2
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 13, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Yeah, you’ll be able to boycott about 3/4 of that list without even trying or reading who is on it.

September 17, 2019, 08:00 PM	#3
BBarn Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2015 Posts: 887	Saw it a few days back. Nearly 2/3 of the companies are small (less than 500 employees). Not sure I use or do business with any of the companies on the list.

September 20, 2019, 02:38 AM	#9
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	While I can fully support the rights of these *individuals* to speak their views, what I find to be truly objectionable in this, is that they presume that their opinions are more valid than other citizens that aren't CEO's of a corporation. Indeed they presume to speak for everyone that works for them. They think they matter more than a laborer trying to feed their family. If it were not so, then why do they make a point that they are such important leaders? They could all just write letters to their own senators or newspaper editors in their own name, speak their views, and let it stand or fall on it's own merits. I wouldn't know the name of a single person on this list. But if someone enlightens me to the fact that so-and-so happens to be the CEO of such-and-such,....Well then, this person is really important; and they really matter; and you don't; and neither do I. I find this to be far more offensive than the content of the letter. But perhaps the facts, the truth, and true merit are irrelevant....Maybe only the people with 7 or 8-figure incomes and above matter anymore. A lot of what they said actually sounds good and reasonable on the surface, yet I sense there are devils in the details.

September 20, 2019, 02:12 PM	#13
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,484	It is being called "virtue signaling" but its not. PANDERING is not a virtue. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 20, 2019, 11:17 PM	#17
Doc Intrepid Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,035	Don't know if virtue signaling has much to do with it, as it would imply they're signalling to their customers. To me sending the letter smacks of old-fashioned "One-Upmanship". Its aimed at people who are NOT their customer base. It says: "I'm Woke and You're Not" __________________ *Treat everyone you meet with dignity and respect....but have a plan to kill them just in case.*

September 21, 2019, 12:08 AM	#18
simonov jr Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2000 Posts: 409	No more Walmart groceries for this family

September 21, 2019, 06:41 AM	#20
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Most of those company names on that list have been known to be pro gun control for a while now. No big surprise there. They have their opinions and I have mine. I ask folks respect my opinion, thus I respect those opinions of others. If folks with a opinion different than mine produces a product that I desire, either because of quality or cost, their difference of opinion will probably not deter my purchase. My purchase does not mean I agree with them. Gun laws change by those we vote in office, not by whose products we buy.

September 21, 2019, 06:59 AM	#21
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 13, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	That’s a load of crap. These are people who want to upend the Constitution of the United States. The whole reason the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution was to help it pass originally. You don’t ask folk who want to see you lined up against a wall and shot to “respect your opinion.” I mean, you can ask them. I’ve seen how that plays out in many places and we are at 100% on “hasn’t worked yet.” If you think where you spend your dollars doesn’t matter, you are living in a fantasy land. What’s more, the people who don’t agree with you aren’t living their lives in that fantasy.

September 21, 2019, 09:47 AM	#23
peterg7 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2017 Posts: 316	So can one take credit for a boycott even if one doesn’t patronize to begin with? If so I’ll boycott the whole list with emphasis on Beyond Meat, that just sounds evil. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

September 21, 2019, 06:14 PM	#25
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,387	Well that’s a kick in the craw I actually like Beyond Meat