My First SKS, is It Chinese ? Please help

dssigma · July 27, 2008, 04:12 PM

HI

I bought SKS, This is my first Long Gun. i have never owned any Long Guns before

the pesron i bought it form told me that this is Chinese SKS
i am not sure as there is no Chinese marking of any kind.

On receiver it just says Made in China, Ser #
It also Say ARMCO BOLY.MA

now how do i know its Chinese? Berrel is Chrome Lined, No Graned Launcher, Spike bayonet

All the Serial # Matches, Reciver, Mag, Sock, Bolt Cover etc

Thank you in Advance

Dssigma

Darren007 · July 27, 2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

On receiver it just says Made in China, Ser #
It also Say ARMCO BOLY.MA

I think you may have answered your own question without realizing it.

But...FWIW if it says "made in china" its a Chinese SKS.

dssigma · July 27, 2008, 06:03 PM

Thanks for reply Darren007,

ya its says made in China, But why there is no other Chinese Sign OR Character As it found on Some of the Chinese SKS?

By the way i took it to Range & i Like it It is Accurate at 50 Yards, i let other people on the range Try it, They also like it & every one agree that this is Accurate Gun & LOT of FUN to Shoot

Thank you

dssigma

Sodbuster · July 27, 2008, 06:55 PM

Is there a number on the side of the receiver that starts out with "M21"? M21 designates a Chinese SKS that was made especially for export, i.e. commercial sales. There are no markings such as a triangle with a number in it, as an M21 SKS was never refurbished at an arsenal nor was it ever inventoried in the Chinese army.

hayek · July 27, 2008, 07:52 PM

Not 100% sure, but I believe the Chinese SKS is the only one with a spiked bayonette.

dssigma · July 27, 2008, 09:35 PM

Hi Sodbuster,

NO It does not Say M21 anywhere on entire Rifle.
Check out the Pic of receiver

please let me know.
As you can see i am newbie

by the way i paid $250.00 (Out the Door) which Includes following
1) SKS (may be Chinese) with Canvas Green Sling, 10 rnd Fixed Mag, Bayonet & Trap Door Cleaning Kit.
2) 360 rnd of 7.62x39 (All Non-Cor Ammo, 20/bx total of 18 BX)
3) Ammo Can
4) About 20 Ammo Clip
5) 2 mag 30 rnd

What you guys & gal think ?
Did i Do Good ?

Thanks
dssigma

Sodbuster · July 27, 2008, 10:38 PM

You have a nice Chicom SKS. Good buy with the ammo, too. You might want to follow the link below to read up on the Chinese SKS. There is a sticky post there that discusses the various markings/nonmarkings on Chinese rifles. The lack of markings, but the presence of a triangle 26 stamp, would have indicated a desirable Sino-Soviet SKS. But since you say there are no markings or stamps on the rifle, it is merely a nice Chinese SKS. By merely, I mean enjoy it, you did fine.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.p...a7e7&board=3.0

ISC · July 27, 2008, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayek

Not 100% sure, but I believe the Chinese SKS is the only one with a spiked bayonette.

Albanians have a spike too, and some chinese have a blade.

123kiwi · July 28, 2008, 04:13 AM

Great looking rifle! Dont forget to bin the 2x30rd mags too, youll only ever need the factory one.
Have fun!!!

itman · July 28, 2008, 01:51 PM

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dssigma · July 28, 2008, 05:24 PM

Thank you friends

Since there is no marking i cant do much regarding the origin of the rifle.

i took apart the rifle, all the serial # from all the part is matching including Trigger, Bolt, Firing Pin, Gas Chamber, stock etc

Since every Serial # matches, i think i am happy that it is not MIX & MATCH rifle

Thaks

Dssigma

bennnn · July 28, 2008, 08:12 PM

Is there anything stamped in the wood under the buttplate?

hayek · July 28, 2008, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Albanians have a spike too, and some chinese have a blade.

Ah. Thanks for the correction.

Mosin44az · July 28, 2008, 11:38 PM

ARMCO sounds like an importer. Boylston, Massachusetts I'll bet, if they still exist.

dssigma · July 29, 2008, 07:58 AM

HI bennnn,

I will check it out & Post, just need lil time to do that

Mosin44az,

You r correct the person i bought form also said something about Imported by Armco. (On Bill of sale he put Imported by Armco for Name of Manufacturer)

if the Company is not business, Dose it mean that this may be very early Import?

May be they Refurb the Rifle & remove Chinese MFG Name,Symbol. & they put their name on it ?

anybody knows anything

Regards

Dssigma

sarge83 · July 29, 2008, 09:30 AM

I have a chicom with the spike and the blade bayonet, they come in either.

res45 · July 29, 2008, 04:03 PM

Armco imported AK and SKS rifles and 7.62x39mm ammo from China in the 1980's. But like most of the importers of pre ban rifles they went out of business right after the 1989 ban. The prefixes on the serial numbers to denote the date of import was not required on rifles imported before 1989. This is a requirement on post ban rifles. You have a nice Chinese SKS actual date of Mfg. and which factory it came out of you will probably never know enjoy has a little history behind it though.

ARMCO:
They were located in Boylston, Massachusetts, and was both an importer/exporter and a firearms retail store. ARMCO was owned and operated by Stephen A. Holmquist, who was arrested in October 1991 and convicted on November 5, 1992 on six counts of importing firearms by means of false statements, and three counts of exporting restricted firearms to China. ARMCO is known to have imported at least serial #'s 04440 through 05000, as well as rifles in the 073xx range. ARMCO imports are marked under the receiver, ahead of the mag well:

Some of the older Chinese SKS rifles were product on old Russian SKS Type 45 equipment that they sold to China back in the late mid to late 50's most of these rifles have no factory markings at all other than a serial # do you have any pics of the rear sight leaf there may be some info on there especially the letter or # in front of the sight notch.

bennnn · July 29, 2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

I have a chicom with the spike and the blade bayonet, they come in either.

There are a few different styles of gas tube as well as the spike/blade difference,, both of these below are chinese.

dssigma · July 30, 2008, 08:54 PM

HI

There is no Marking under Butt Plate

thanks

tINY · July 30, 2008, 10:53 PM

Looks like you have the machined trigger guard. This indicates early chineese (think Russian shop stewards) manufacture.

I have one from that era that was a mix and match and it works great and shoots straight...

-tINY

dssigma · July 31, 2008, 09:37 AM

Looks like my SKS is pre ban As it was imported by "Armco" & Armco Ran out of Business affter the Ban. they must have import it before Ban.

IF my SKS is Pre Ban can i Convert it in to AUTO ? or not ? ( Auto Conversion plans are selling for about $5.00 on Gun Broker)

If i Install new Stock to SKS do i need to be in Compliance of 922r?

Thanks

Dssigma

tINY · July 31, 2008, 03:42 PM

922r has to do with the import date

Auto conversions are not allowed without a Class 3 MFG liscense.

-tINY

ISC · July 31, 2008, 04:42 PM

Actually, if it was imported and in a 922r non compliant condition prior to the 1994 ban 922 doesn't apply.

Yes, you have to be 922r compliant if you install a new stock. That means a pistol grip stock can't be used with a rifle with bayonet, detatchable mag or flash hider and be 100% compliant.

NO full auto weapons can be legally manufactured since 1986 unless it was for law enforcement, military, foreign export, nuclear plant security use or as a dealer sample for the use of the previously listed entities- even if you have a class 3 license.

dssigma · July 31, 2008, 11:21 PM

HI ISC

IF i install LOCK-ARM Stock, Does it count as 3 parts or less ?
What else i have to install on my SKS to make it 922r Compliance ?

thanks

Ignition Override · August 1, 2008, 12:29 AM

You did really well, and were fortunate that they knew what they were talking about.

Several months ago I was in an "Army Navy", so to speak, pawnshop. My first look inside a pawnshop (am 53-and made my first gun purchase last October).
Not knowing what their Mosin Nagant rifles were-never having heard of them- I asked the staffer about them. He is a recent combat veteran of Iraq.

Before he brought one over to me, he told me that the Mosins were SKS rifles, but he was the most sincere staff I've ever seen in a pawnshop.
He told me that he followed the rules when he heard me chat for a quick moment with my son (who is a resident), considering that my state has no agreement with stores 'down there', unlike a nearby state.

July 27, 2008, 04:12 PM	#1
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	My First SKS, is It Chinese ? Please help HI I bought SKS, This is my first Long Gun. i have never owned any Long Guns before the pesron i bought it form told me that this is Chinese SKS i am not sure as there is no Chinese marking of any kind. On receiver it just says Made in China, Ser # It also Say ARMCO BOLY.MA now how do i know its Chinese? Berrel is Chrome Lined, No Graned Launcher, Spike bayonet All the Serial # Matches, Reciver, Mag, Sock, Bolt Cover etc Thank you in Advance Dssigma

July 27, 2008, 06:03 PM	#3
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	Chinese SKS ? Thanks for reply Darren007, ya its says made in China, But why there is no other Chinese Sign OR Character As it found on Some of the Chinese SKS? By the way i took it to Range & i Like it It is Accurate at 50 Yards, i let other people on the range Try it, They also like it & every one agree that this is Accurate Gun & LOT of FUN to Shoot Thank you dssigma

July 27, 2008, 06:55 PM	#4
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 1999 Location: Wyo-Tana Posts: 1,298	Is there a number on the side of the receiver that starts out with "M21"? M21 designates a Chinese SKS that was made especially for export, i.e. commercial sales. There are no markings such as a triangle with a number in it, as an M21 SKS was never refurbished at an arsenal nor was it ever inventoried in the Chinese army. __________________ Remember, many times what we view as a curse in the present turns out to be a blessing in the future. Don't worry about it a lot. Things have a way of working out. Trust me on this one. - - Uncle Bill Martino

July 27, 2008, 07:52 PM	#5
hayek Member Join Date: May 28, 2008 Posts: 80	Not 100% sure, but I believe the Chinese SKS is the only one with a spiked bayonette. __________________ Interesting Fact A recent study shows that the three leading causes of death in the United States are heart disease, cancer and Chuck Norris.

July 27, 2008, 10:38 PM	#7
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 1999 Location: Wyo-Tana Posts: 1,298	You have a nice Chicom SKS. Good buy with the ammo, too. You might want to follow the link below to read up on the Chinese SKS. There is a sticky post there that discusses the various markings/nonmarkings on Chinese rifles. The lack of markings, but the presence of a triangle 26 stamp, would have indicated a desirable Sino-Soviet SKS. But since you say there are no markings or stamps on the rifle, it is merely a nice Chinese SKS. By merely, I mean enjoy it, you did fine. http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.p...a7e7&board=3.0 __________________ Remember, many times what we view as a curse in the present turns out to be a blessing in the future. Don't worry about it a lot. Things have a way of working out. Trust me on this one. - - Uncle Bill Martino

July 28, 2008, 04:13 AM	#9
123kiwi Member Join Date: March 23, 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 85	Great looking rifle! Dont forget to bin the 2x30rd mags too, youll only ever need the factory one. Have fun!!!

July 28, 2008, 01:51 PM	#10
itman Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2005 Posts: 199	Take a look over here. http://www.simonov.net/uberid.htm

July 28, 2008, 05:24 PM	#11
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	Thank You Thank you friends Since there is no marking i cant do much regarding the origin of the rifle. i took apart the rifle, all the serial # from all the part is matching including Trigger, Bolt, Firing Pin, Gas Chamber, stock etc Since every Serial # matches, i think i am happy that it is not MIX & MATCH rifle Thaks Dssigma

July 28, 2008, 08:12 PM	#12
bennnn Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2006 Location: almost far enough south.. Posts: 978	Is there anything stamped in the wood under the buttplate? __________________ I owe a lot to the man who first cradled this rifle in his hands... wish I could tell him thanks.-- mdshooter

July 28, 2008, 11:38 PM	#14
Mosin44az Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 2,585	ARMCO sounds like an importer. Boylston, Massachusetts I'll bet, if they still exist.

July 29, 2008, 07:58 AM	#15
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	I will Check HI bennnn, I will check it out & Post, just need lil time to do that Mosin44az, You r correct the person i bought form also said something about Imported by Armco. (On Bill of sale he put Imported by Armco for Name of Manufacturer) if the Company is not business, Dose it mean that this may be very early Import? May be they Refurb the Rifle & remove Chinese MFG Name,Symbol. & they put their name on it ? anybody knows anything Regards Dssigma

July 29, 2008, 09:30 AM	#16
sarge83 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2000 Posts: 426	I have a chicom with the spike and the blade bayonet, they come in either.

July 29, 2008, 04:03 PM	#17
res45 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 753	Armco imported AK and SKS rifles and 7.62x39mm ammo from China in the 1980's. But like most of the importers of pre ban rifles they went out of business right after the 1989 ban. The prefixes on the serial numbers to denote the date of import was not required on rifles imported before 1989. This is a requirement on post ban rifles. You have a nice Chinese SKS actual date of Mfg. and which factory it came out of you will probably never know enjoy has a little history behind it though. ARMCO: They were located in Boylston, Massachusetts, and was both an importer/exporter and a firearms retail store. ARMCO was owned and operated by Stephen A. Holmquist, who was arrested in October 1991 and convicted on November 5, 1992 on six counts of importing firearms by means of false statements, and three counts of exporting restricted firearms to China. ARMCO is known to have imported at least serial #'s 04440 through 05000, as well as rifles in the 073xx range. ARMCO imports are marked under the receiver, ahead of the mag well: Some of the older Chinese SKS rifles were product on old Russian SKS Type 45 equipment that they sold to China back in the late mid to late 50's most of these rifles have no factory markings at all other than a serial # do you have any pics of the rear sight leaf there may be some info on there especially the letter or # in front of the sight notch. __________________ The Reloaders Network discord Channel https://discord.gg/Nafuzht Last edited by res45; July 29, 2008 at 04:45 PM.

July 30, 2008, 08:54 PM	#19
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	No Marking HI There is no Marking under Butt Plate thanks

July 30, 2008, 10:53 PM	#20
tINY Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Location: Orygun Posts: 2,589	Looks like you have the machined trigger guard. This indicates early chineese (think Russian shop stewards) manufacture. I have one from that era that was a mix and match and it works great and shoots straight... -tINY

July 31, 2008, 09:37 AM	#21
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	Sks Auto ? Looks like my SKS is pre ban As it was imported by "Armco" & Armco Ran out of Business affter the Ban. they must have import it before Ban. IF my SKS is Pre Ban can i Convert it in to AUTO ? or not ? ( Auto Conversion plans are selling for about $5.00 on Gun Broker) If i Install new Stock to SKS do i need to be in Compliance of 922r? Thanks Dssigma

July 31, 2008, 03:42 PM	#22
tINY Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Location: Orygun Posts: 2,589	922r has to do with the import date Auto conversions are not allowed without a Class 3 MFG liscense. -tINY

July 31, 2008, 04:42 PM	#23
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	Actually, if it was imported and in a 922r non compliant condition prior to the 1994 ban 922 doesn't apply. Yes, you have to be 922r compliant if you install a new stock. That means a pistol grip stock can't be used with a rifle with bayonet, detatchable mag or flash hider and be 100% compliant. NO full auto weapons can be legally manufactured since 1986 unless it was for law enforcement, military, foreign export, nuclear plant security use or as a dealer sample for the use of the previously listed entities- even if you have a class 3 license.

July 31, 2008, 11:21 PM	#24
dssigma Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Posts: 23	SKS Stock 922 r Compliance HI ISC IF i install LOCK-ARM Stock, Does it count as 3 parts or less ? What else i have to install on my SKS to make it 922r Compliance ? thanks

August 1, 2008, 12:29 AM	#25
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,887	You did really well, and were fortunate that they knew what they were talking about. Several months ago I was in an "Army Navy", so to speak, pawnshop. My first look inside a pawnshop (am 53-and made my first gun purchase last October). Not knowing what their Mosin Nagant rifles were-never having heard of them- I asked the staffer about them. He is a recent combat veteran of Iraq. Before he brought one over to me, he told me that the Mosins were SKS rifles, but he was the most sincere staff I've ever seen in a pawnshop. He told me that he followed the rules when he heard me chat for a quick moment with my son (who is a resident), considering that my state has no agreement with stores 'down there', unlike a nearby state.