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Old March 25, 2024, 01:27 PM   #26
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P228

The P228 is a somewhat rare duck. Were I to shell out cash for another SIG, it would be a P228.
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Old March 25, 2024, 03:15 PM   #27
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The best Sig I've ever owned was the P228, bought new more than twenty years ago. I gave it to my daughter a few years ago, precisely because it was so good. I've kept the single-stack P225, bought in 2001. I will not buy an Sig of contemporary manufacture. So that was it for good for me.
Same here. All my Sigs are West German or German Mastershop.
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Old March 25, 2024, 04:37 PM   #28
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Eh, I’ve owned over a dozen West German Sigs. They have a great reputation and they are certainly classic pistols. That being said, construction was cheap. The finish was poor and the stamped steel slide was used to cut costs.

The original P220 was designed as a low cost replacement for the P210.

Calling anyWest German Sig the best or finest Sig would be the result of lack of experience or knowledge.
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Old March 25, 2024, 06:14 PM   #29
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Eh, I’ve owned over a dozen West German Sigs. They have a great reputation and they are certainly classic pistols. That being said, construction was cheap. The finish was poor and the stamped steel slide was used to cut costs.

The original P220 was designed as a low cost replacement for the P210.

Calling anyWest German Sig the best or finest Sig would be the result of lack of experience or knowledge.
Yup. I own and have owned both West Germany made Sigs and US made Sigs and can find no difference in quality between the two. And I find the support and service through the Exeter folk far better than with the earlier distributors.
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Old March 25, 2024, 09:19 PM   #30
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Hands down, the Sig P210 Target.
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Old March 25, 2024, 09:47 PM   #31
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For me the P226, I have four of them!
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Old March 25, 2024, 09:54 PM   #32
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I bought a Browning BDA 45 (Sig P220) in 1980. Only non 1911 .45acp I ever had, or want.
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Old March 26, 2024, 03:10 AM   #33
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Hands down, the Sig P210 Target.
Wow, the P210 Target is such a beauty! Is there a similar gun with a double stack magazine?

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Old March 26, 2024, 09:29 AM   #34
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A Swiss P210 and if not available, then a German Mastershop X-series.
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Old March 26, 2024, 09:40 AM   #35
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The Sig Sauer P226 is a classic and time-tested pistol that is known for its durability and accuracy. The P226 Pro Cut offers improved ergonomics and customizability, making it an attractive choice for athletes and recreational shooters.
On the other hand, the Sig Sauer P229 is a compact version of the P226, making it more suitable for concealed carry or use as a duty weapon. It also has excellent accuracy and reliability.
Sig's marketing BS is nauseating. Here's what they say about the P226 Pro Cut....

"now with a PRO-CUT slide make this pistol a force to be reckoned with."
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Old March 26, 2024, 09:47 AM   #36
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Eh, I’ve owned over a dozen West German Sigs. They have a great reputation and they are certainly classic pistols. That being said, construction was cheap. The finish was poor and the stamped steel slide was used to cut costs.

The original P220 was designed as a low cost replacement for the P210.

Calling anyWest German Sig the best or finest Sig would be the result of lack of experience or knowledge.
Your knowledge of the folded slide Sigs are severely lacking.
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Old March 26, 2024, 09:49 AM   #37
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You are wrong about the M11. It's a P228 that was issued to flight crew and plain clothes or other military police type members, amongst others.
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Old March 26, 2024, 09:52 AM   #38
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Wow, the P210 Target is such a beauty! Is there a similar gun with a double stack magazine?
The gun you are referencing is a made in USA clone of a real P210. The finest were made in Switzerland and what they make now is a sad impersonation of one of the classic pistols of all time.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:13 AM   #39
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Your knowledge of the folded slide Sigs are severely lacking.

Glad you love them. They aren’t bad pistols, but these days I’ll stick with Mastershop stuff. I’ve very likely got more invested with Sig than the rest of the responders in this thread combined. I’m very comfortable with my knowledge of the brand, from Swiss Sig to modern day Sig Sauer.

Thanks for your input though.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:18 AM   #40
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The gun you are referencing is a made in USA clone of a real P210. The finest were made in Switzerland and what they make now is a sad impersonation of one of the classic pistols of all time.
Yeah, I agree to a point. I’ve got many P210’s from Swiss forged Heavy Frames to German Super Targets. I also have a P210A Target, which I shoot most since the others have increased in value so much.

While quality isn’t on par with Swiss or German Mastershop models, they do shoot very well and I find them easier to shoot than the Swiss models.

American Sig quality has improved over the years.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:19 AM   #41
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BDA is a great handgun. So much history.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:20 AM   #42
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A Swiss P210 and if not available, then a German Mastershop X-series.
OP said currently produced
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:24 AM   #43
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Glad you love them. They aren’t bad pistols, but these days I’ll stick with Mastershop stuff. I’ve very likely got more invested with Sig than the rest of the responders in this thread combined. I’m very comfortable with my knowledge of the brand, from Swiss Sig to modern day Sig Sauer.

Thanks for your input though.
There is no Sig "Mastershop" anymore. Sig's "Mastershop" is the same same as Kimber's "Custom Shop".

I have a REAL Sig Mastershop pistol. A German made X5-L1 made by their real Mastershop in Eckernförde.

The crap they are putting out now is just marketing BS.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:25 AM   #44
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OP said currently produced
You can still find one for sale.
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Old March 26, 2024, 10:34 AM   #45
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There is no Sig "Mastershop" anymore. Sig's "Mastershop" is the same same as Kimber's "Custom Shop".

I have a REAL Sig Mastershop pistol. A German made X5-L1 made by their real Mastershop in Eckernförde.

The crap they are putting out now is just marketing BS.
I know the difference between Sig’s Custom Works and the German Mastershop. I never once said they were still producing pistols.
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Old March 27, 2024, 02:55 PM   #46
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If The Attic is still selling new X-Fives on Gunbroker, I wouldn't know. I just barely gave up after a year trying land one. Every single one went $3K+

I do hope Sig returns to an "Allround" X-Five P226 in stainless steel.
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Old March 27, 2024, 03:22 PM   #47
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If The Attic is still selling new X-Fives on Gunbroker, I wouldn't know. I just barely gave up after a year trying land one. Every single one went $3K+

I do hope Sig returns to an "Allround" X-Five P226 in stainless steel.
I wonder what my early 1990s German Mastershop X5 Level 1 would bring?
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Old March 27, 2024, 03:57 PM   #48
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They were going for like 8K when I was looking months ago, but there are gen1 and gen2 differences with the extractor. Sourcing the internal extractor on the gen1 is limited and stupid expensive.

I will take issue though. What's wrong with my P210 target, different than coating differences?

Safety is now a thumb rest is definitely an improvement.
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Old March 27, 2024, 03:59 PM   #49
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The Attic apparently is still selling some. Watch this X-Six in the next 4 days. Seems reasonable right now.

It will end at $6K.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1042149321
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Old March 27, 2024, 04:02 PM   #50
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On folded slides, was it the HK P9S that was super cheap made slide and then super buff parts?
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