Facebook is against us!

Glenn E. Meyer · March 5, 2014, 04:23 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...295.html?hp=l5

Basically, under pressure and being sympatico with Bloomberg's Moms, Facebook is going to monitor gun sales.

chiefr · March 5, 2014, 05:53 PM

Heard this on the radio today. Apparently someone was using FB to sell one of those "evil" assault weapons.

Gun forums are as close as I get to any social media. Won't touch FB, Twitter etc.

BarryLee · March 5, 2014, 05:59 PM

I suspect we’ll see more of this not necessarily because organizations like FaceBook are anti-gun, but because they want to be “politically correct”.

I fear we’ve let the anti-gun crowd shape the debate and define the language. Now, guns are seen as negative items that have no place in the public forum. Pro Second Amendment groups need positive spokespersons that the public will not perceive as “gun nuts”.

Bob M. · March 5, 2014, 06:28 PM

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Gun forums are as close as I get to any social media. Won't touch FB, Twitter etc.

Same here. I'll never be on any of these.

osbornk · March 5, 2014, 07:02 PM

National Association for Gun Rights and Guns Save Lives post a lot on Facebook. Guns Save lives posted this today:

As you’ve probably heard, Facebook weighed in today with their plans for ongoing gun sales on the social media site.

Despite pressure from anti-gun groups such as Moms Demand Action and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Facebook has announced they will not ban gun related pages and won’t even outright ban gun sales on the site between private parties.

Facebook did announce a series of education and enforcement policies they will begin implementing in the near future to better govern legal gun sales and prevent illegal ones.

Of course, the Moms and Mayors are declaring this a win for their side, despite the fact that Facebook isn’t really doing too much of anything.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) weighed in on the decision with an email to their members,

2ndsojourn · March 5, 2014, 07:04 PM

It figures. Gun control seems to be dying a bit so the grabbers are grabbing for straws and trying any avenue they can to advance their agenda.

And I thought I was the only person on the planet that didn't do Facebook.

FrankenMauser · March 6, 2014, 02:12 AM

osbornk is correct.
Politico is twisting the facts for their own benefit. It's damn nearly propaganda that's 180 degrees from reality.

Facebook pretty much told MAIG and Bloomberg to get lost, because Facebook is:
A) Not an e-commerce site, and they are not selling anything.
B) Already enforcing the terms of service when they have posts mentioning illegal activities reported to them (such as gun sales to underage individuals).
And, C) Dependent upon the bill of rights to maintain their customer base. When you start censoring, you lose money.

They did announce the new "educational" program, but that's no different than pretty much any other site that deals with firearms classifieds.

SHE3PDOG · March 6, 2014, 03:48 AM

So, FB is actually more or less with us? Or, at least unwilling to take sides.

JimmyR · March 6, 2014, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Politico

Federal background checks are not required for sellers at gun shows and sales between private citizens and online.

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Originally Posted by MDA

“We are happy these companies listened to American mothers,” said Moms Demand Action founder Shannon Watts. “And we believe these changes are a major step toward making sure people who buy or sell guns on their platforms know the law, and follow it.”

Great, FB is following the law, since Federal Law requires no background check when buying from individuals where state laws allow it. Can you leave us alone now?

I use Facebook, and buy and sell on there somewhat often. I like the easy transfer of information on a local basis, and have gotten some good pieces in recent months. I check ID for age and residency, and meet in safe places. Let me be responsible for following the law, and if I break it, let me pay the price. I expect the same for everyone else. I don't need someone else's mother to play mommy for me- I have a wonderful mother, I don't need anyone else's.

Hal · March 6, 2014, 08:04 AM

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Facebook is against us!

No they aren't.
I read the official press release from Facebook and all they say is that they won't allow illegal activities.

Anyone that's a member of FB can read it here:
https://newsroom.fb.com/News/814/Fac...rcial-Activity

The only real sanction is that Facebook won't allow someone to say "No background check" in an ad for a firearm.

Other than that, the only thing of concern is the people and groups given credit for guiding them through making the policy.

It would have been nice to have a few pro gun names on that list.

wogpotter · March 6, 2014, 08:11 AM

ITEM: FB wants member so they can sell advertising.
ITEM: if they PO people they lose advertising revenue.
ITEM: FB wants revenue as it is a business.
Do the math.

SPEMack618 · March 6, 2014, 08:34 AM

If it wasn't for Facebook the world would not know that I follow Emily Miller and like Colonel Cooper.

That being somewhat sarcastically said, the NRA-ILA response to Facebook was full of Tam levels of snark.

**Mike Irwin** · March 6, 2014, 08:48 AM

I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about.

The anti groups are smoking something if they think that this is a huge win for them. They wanted a LOT more, and FB told them to pound sand.

To me, this seems almost as if it's FB coming to the realization that "hey, maybe we'd better crack down a little on the one aspect just to cover our butts, but certainly not because some group of busybodies demands it."

This doesn't hurt gunowners at all, and it does absolutely NOTHING of any value for the antis.

Skans · March 6, 2014, 10:00 AM

In my opinion, the best thing that could happen is Facebook ban anything and everything about guns. This just creates opportunities for others. Just ask the owners of Gunbroker.

**Tom Servo** · March 6, 2014, 10:17 AM

Essentially, it's similar to Starbuck's non-policy policy.

That said, the Brady Campaign seems to understand that, and they are not pleased.

**Mike Irwin** · March 6, 2014, 10:32 AM

Hum...

Win win, I'd say.

Any time the Brady Bunch is ******, I'm extremely happy.

Technosavant · March 6, 2014, 10:33 AM

Yeah, this is hardly a win for the anti-gun side. The only thing the pro-gun folks are losing is the ability to directly advertise they want to break applicable laws when they offer a gun for sale.

I rather doubt that anybody we want on our side is actually losing out on this one.

vito · March 6, 2014, 10:46 AM

I go to Facebook every day, primarily to see posted pictures of my grandchildren. My kids use Facebook as a primary way to communicate with other family members in a casual way. I personally have posted numerous pro-gun cartoons, or articles or links to pro-gun columns, etc. and never had a problem with the Facebook monitors. I have not, however, tried to use Facebook as a way to buy or sell anything, let alone a firearm.

wogpotter · March 6, 2014, 11:14 AM

I wonder if it even passed their minds that I've been actively (& utterly legally) associating with shooters completely separate from anything on FB.

Sure I talk to people on FB, I talk to them in many ways, letters e-mails, telephones & so on. What's next asking all communications to have some kind of "monitoring" Its utterly stupid & narrow minded.

**Mike Irwin** · March 6, 2014, 12:49 PM

Thought I had better pull the trigger and sell this on my Facebook page before they really started cracking down....

For sale or trade to most nefarious bidder...

Model 795 Hyper Slaughterator Turbokill Express.

Fires .99 caliber hydrogen-plutonium bullets from an unlimited capacity magazine clip!

Fully automatic single shot manual repeater!

Pistol grip, flash hider, and bayonette mount included to increase the evil quotient!!!

Not just one folding stock, but TWO folding stocks for double that evilness!

Great for shooting through what ails you!

No background check, no foreground check, no questions asked!

Want to subjegate an uppity former satellite state? This is the gun for you!

**44 AMP** · March 6, 2014, 12:52 PM

Seems the usual,"what is being reported and reality are somewhat different".

Last night, my TV news reported that Facebook is now requiring the laws covering gun sales to be posted on any page where you are selling a gun.

And if you don't, they will cancel your page.

I don't see any real problem here...

Skans · March 6, 2014, 02:54 PM

Mike, you forgot one thing............PRICE!

wogpotter · March 6, 2014, 04:40 PM

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Facebook is now requiring the laws covering gun sales to be posted on any page where you are selling a gun

You mean actual chapter & verse of all the applicable laws? WOW! That's going to be some HUGE pages.

carguychris · March 6, 2014, 04:51 PM

Mike Irwin- stop making me laugh so hard when I am posting on the sly at the office!

**44 AMP** · March 6, 2014, 11:33 PM

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Facebook is now requiring the laws covering gun sales to be posted on any page where you are selling a gun

You mean actual chapter & verse of all the applicable laws? WOW! That's going to be some HUGE pages

I have no idea what the reality of it is, or will be, I was stating what I heard a talking head on the nightly news say last night.

March 5, 2014, 04:23 PM	#1
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Facebook is against us! http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...295.html?hp=l5 Basically, under pressure and being sympatico with Bloomberg's Moms, Facebook is going to monitor gun sales. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 5, 2014, 05:59 PM	#3
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	I suspect we’ll see more of this not necessarily because organizations like FaceBook are anti-gun, but because they want to be “politically correct”. I fear we’ve let the anti-gun crowd shape the debate and define the language. Now, guns are seen as negative items that have no place in the public forum. Pro Second Amendment groups need positive spokespersons that the public will not perceive as “gun nuts”. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

March 6, 2014, 02:12 AM	#7
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,426	osbornk is correct. Politico is twisting the facts for their own benefit. It's damn nearly propaganda that's 180 degrees from reality. Facebook pretty much told MAIG and Bloomberg to get lost, because Facebook is: A) Not an e-commerce site, and they are not selling anything. B) Already enforcing the terms of service when they have posts mentioning illegal activities reported to them (such as gun sales to underage individuals). And, C) Dependent upon the bill of rights to maintain their customer base. When you start censoring, you lose money. They did announce the new "educational" program, but that's no different than pretty much any other site that deals with firearms classifieds. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 6, 2014, 03:48 AM	#8
SHE3PDOG Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2013 Posts: 988	So, FB is actually more or less with us? Or, at least unwilling to take sides. __________________ Semper Fi Marine, NRA member, SAF Defender's Club member, and constitutionally protected keeper and bearer of firearms

March 6, 2014, 08:11 AM	#11
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	ITEM: FB wants member so they can sell advertising. ITEM: if they PO people they lose advertising revenue. ITEM: FB wants revenue as it is a business. Do the math. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

March 5, 2014, 05:53 PM	#2
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401	Heard this on the radio today. Apparently someone was using FB to sell one of those "evil" assault weapons. Gun forums are as close as I get to any social media. Won't touch FB, Twitter etc.

March 5, 2014, 07:02 PM	#5
osbornk Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Location: Mountains of Appalachia Posts: 1,598	National Association for Gun Rights and Guns Save Lives post a lot on Facebook. Guns Save lives posted this today: As you’ve probably heard, Facebook weighed in today with their plans for ongoing gun sales on the social media site. Despite pressure from anti-gun groups such as Moms Demand Action and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Facebook has announced they will not ban gun related pages and won’t even outright ban gun sales on the site between private parties. Facebook did announce a series of education and enforcement policies they will begin implementing in the near future to better govern legal gun sales and prevent illegal ones. Of course, the Moms and Mayors are declaring this a win for their side, despite the fact that Facebook isn’t really doing too much of anything. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) weighed in on the decision with an email to their members,

March 5, 2014, 07:04 PM	#6
2ndsojourn Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,416	It figures. Gun control seems to be dying a bit so the grabbers are grabbing for straws and trying any avenue they can to advance their agenda. And I thought I was the only person on the planet that didn't do Facebook.

March 6, 2014, 08:34 AM	#12
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	If it wasn't for Facebook the world would not know that I follow Emily Miller and like Colonel Cooper. That being somewhat sarcastically said, the NRA-ILA response to Facebook was full of Tam levels of snark. __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

March 6, 2014, 08:48 AM	#13
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. The anti groups are smoking something if they think that this is a huge win for them. They wanted a LOT more, and FB told them to pound sand. To me, this seems almost as if it's FB coming to the realization that "hey, maybe we'd better crack down a little on the one aspect just to cover our butts, but certainly not because some group of busybodies demands it." This doesn't hurt gunowners at all, and it does absolutely NOTHING of any value for the antis. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 6, 2014, 10:00 AM	#14
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	In my opinion, the best thing that could happen is Facebook ban anything and everything about guns. This just creates opportunities for others. Just ask the owners of Gunbroker.

March 6, 2014, 10:17 AM	#15
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Essentially, it's similar to Starbuck's non-policy policy. That said, the Brady Campaign seems to understand that, and they are not pleased. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

March 6, 2014, 10:32 AM	#16
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Hum... Win win, I'd say. Any time the Brady Bunch is ******, I'm extremely happy. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 6, 2014, 10:33 AM	#17
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	Yeah, this is hardly a win for the anti-gun side. The only thing the pro-gun folks are losing is the ability to directly advertise they want to break applicable laws when they offer a gun for sale. I rather doubt that anybody we want on our side is actually losing out on this one.

March 6, 2014, 10:46 AM	#18
vito Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2004 Location: IL Posts: 853	I go to Facebook every day, primarily to see posted pictures of my grandchildren. My kids use Facebook as a primary way to communicate with other family members in a casual way. I personally have posted numerous pro-gun cartoons, or articles or links to pro-gun columns, etc. and never had a problem with the Facebook monitors. I have not, however, tried to use Facebook as a way to buy or sell anything, let alone a firearm. __________________ People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” ― George Orwell

March 6, 2014, 11:14 AM	#19
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	I wonder if it even passed their minds that I've been actively (& utterly legally) associating with shooters completely separate from anything on FB. Sure I talk to people on FB, I talk to them in many ways, letters e-mails, telephones & so on. What's next asking all communications to have some kind of "monitoring" Its utterly stupid & narrow minded. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

March 6, 2014, 12:49 PM	#20
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Thought I had better pull the trigger and sell this on my Facebook page before they really started cracking down.... For sale or trade to most nefarious bidder... Model 795 Hyper Slaughterator Turbokill Express. Fires .99 caliber hydrogen-plutonium bullets from an unlimited capacity magazine clip! Fully automatic single shot manual repeater! Pistol grip, flash hider, and bayonette mount included to increase the evil quotient!!! Not just one folding stock, but TWO folding stocks for double that evilness! Great for shooting through what ails you! No background check, no foreground check, no questions asked! Want to subjegate an uppity former satellite state? This is the gun for you! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 6, 2014, 12:52 PM	#21
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,850	Seems the usual,"what is being reported and reality are somewhat different". Last night, my TV news reported that Facebook is now requiring the laws covering gun sales to be posted on any page where you are selling a gun. And if you don't, they will cancel your page. I don't see any real problem here... __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

March 6, 2014, 02:54 PM	#22
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Mike, you forgot one thing............PRICE!

March 6, 2014, 04:51 PM	#24
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	Mike Irwin- stop making me laugh so hard when I am posting on the sly at the office! __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak