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Old May 26, 2018, 05:48 PM   #76
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Sounds like lower priced version of a "Fitz special".
I am really wanting one of the Charters in 45 colt. I have an old lee mold that throws a 240 gr wadcutter that should work sell, and not to mention a Lyman 452423 mold. Or two .454 lead roundballs seated on top each other in the case(if one should see the need to repel borders).
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Old May 26, 2018, 08:07 PM   #77
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Sounds like lower priced version of a "Fitz special".
I am really wanting one of the Charters in 45 colt. I have an old lee mold that throws a 240 gr wadcutter that should work sell, and not to mention a Lyman 452423 mold. Or two .454 lead roundballs seated on top each other in the case(if one should see the need to repel borders).
The double ball load is what I had in mind when Charter revealed this .45 Colt Bulldog. I bought a Redhawk with a 4 inch barrel years ago and it works well in that, but it's a heavy gun probably best suited for home defense and bear country. Still love that Redhawk, but the Charter is much smaller and lighter.

The two .45 ball load is very effective at any distance as the two balls will hit within an inch or two of each other. To increase spread at short distances, I put a .454 ball in the case and have a .451 ball stick a little less than halfway out of the case mouth. No need to worry about gas blowby, the .454 seals the bore, so the .451 isn't going to cause any leading issues. By doing this, I've been able to get a spread of about 2 inches at 10 yards.
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Old May 27, 2018, 03:15 AM   #78
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Ive always heard good things about the Winchester Silvertip in .45 Long Colt...
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Old May 27, 2018, 06:40 AM   #79
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...not to mention a Lyman 452423 mold.
Lyman 454423 HP clone on the left. Awesome!

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Old May 27, 2018, 08:14 PM   #80
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I would wager a lead ball would flatten out to about the size of an expanded hollow point.
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Old September 14, 2018, 09:14 PM   #81
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I was able to acquire one of these. Havent shot it yet though.
I plan to load some double ball and test those.
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Old September 14, 2018, 11:01 PM   #82
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I was able to acquire one of these. Havent shot it yet though.
I plan to load some double ball and test those.
I will be very interested to read a report on how that goes. The idea grabbed my interest.
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Old September 16, 2018, 08:33 PM   #83
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I ran some 235 gr powder coated wadcutters through it with 7.5 gr of unique to get the feel of it. I switched out the factory grips for pachmayr compacs, much better.
Groups hovered around an inch at 8 yds free hand.
Hope to test the double ball loads this week.
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Old September 22, 2018, 10:35 AM   #84
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Tested the double ball loads using speer .457's(all i had). Loaded three rounds using a
.7 cc dipper of unique(@5.5-6grs). 8 yds got @7" group. Rbs were close together when hitting the target. Furthest apart was @1".
The rbs flattened out to about .45 cal when hitting dry phone books.
Running the rbs through a .452 sizer may prove more accurate.
I can email or text pics of target and rbs
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Old September 23, 2018, 09:17 PM   #85
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.41 mag in a bulldog would be bad....donkey ...Would be a great heavy punch, light weight belt revolver. Could maybe scratch my itch for a smallish 44 special.
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Old September 26, 2018, 08:57 AM   #86
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.41 mag in a bulldog would be bad....donkey ...Would be a great heavy punch, light weight belt revolver.
I have one in 44 Special and recoil is quite adequate as it is. A 21 oz 41 Mag would be "interesting".
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Old September 29, 2018, 03:36 AM   #87
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.41 mag in a bulldog would be bad....donkey ...Would be a great heavy punch, light weight belt revolver. Could maybe scratch my itch for a smallish 44 special.
I'd fear that the gun would "blow up" on account of even Buffalo Bore's warning against using their hot .44spl loads in the Bulldog.
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Old October 12, 2018, 08:25 AM   #88
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Some more info:
So far wadcutters have been accurate with unique powder.
Gonna try some cast lyman 452423 swc's and run some rb's through a .452 sizer to try the double ball load again.
My cylinder throat ran .454 and the bore was just shy of .452

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^ Why are you sizing round balls? They don't need sizing, if anything the balls should be larger than .452 because the bearing surface is so minimal with round balls.

I shoot .454's in my Redhawk and the throats on that are .452. No issues.
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^ Why are you sizing round balls? They don't need sizing, if anything the balls should be larger than .452 because the bearing surface is so minimal with round balls.

I shoot .454's in my Redhawk and the throats on that are .452. No issues.
My rb's are .457, figured they may be more accurate a little bigger than bore size
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My rb's are .457, figured they may be more accurate a little bigger than bore size
If the lead is soft, you'll be fine. It's an extra .0015" of soft lead being squeezed by a chamber throat on both sides and the bearing surface will only be a fraction of an inch more than if you'd used .454 balls.
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Old October 14, 2018, 01:08 PM   #92
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Picked one up a few weeks ago. Slight play (side to side) in the cylinder at full lock-up but otherwise not bad fit or finish for a sub 400 pistola. The paperwork that was included (for 44 Bulldog) made no mention of 45 or XL. There was a printed card that noted +P was acceptable.
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Old October 15, 2018, 09:47 PM   #93
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+P? Yikes! That would be a handful. 7.5 gr of unique with a 250 gr slug is pretty snappy
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Old October 16, 2018, 07:04 AM   #94
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There was a printed card that noted +P was acceptable.
Assuming we are still talking about the .45 Colt, there is no +P load standard recognized by SAAMI or anyone else. So, +P for this cartridge is in the eye of the beholder.

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