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September 28, 2008, 04:58 PM | #51 | |
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September 28, 2008, 06:19 PM | #52 | |
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In the mean time, a semi-auto AR15 or M4 version would be a real asset after proper training. |
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September 29, 2008, 10:21 AM | #53 | |
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September 29, 2008, 10:51 PM | #54 | |
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What concerns me is how easy it is for a less than well trained person to ND 5 to 10 rounds down range before they know what happened. That's why I wouldn't be in a rush to put one in the patrol car of an officer with minimum semi-auto qualifications. |
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January 2, 2009, 12:59 AM | #56 |
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mp5 is the best SMG out there, and why are we comparing to M16?
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January 2, 2009, 11:43 PM | #57 |
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The M16-9mm properly set up and controlled by someone skilled in full auto fire is a sweet pup. The light felt recoil of the MP5 fools a lot of first time users into thinking that low felt recoil means it is on target. Felt recoil and a straight back push does not mean the muzzle has risen and put you off target.
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January 6, 2009, 02:21 PM | #58 |
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I didnt read the whole topic, just most of the first page. Some posters said 9mm was ineffective against body armor, that just isnt true. Sure there may be no penetration but all of the force behind the bullet is still there, which would probably knock them out if not, stun them.
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January 6, 2009, 02:31 PM | #59 |
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UZI's are cheaper and parts are very available. What is an MP5 going to do that an UZI can't?
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January 6, 2009, 02:34 PM | #60 |
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I would think that MP5s would be more controlable (although I havnt fired either) plus most people assosiate uzis with gangsters doing drivebys.
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January 6, 2009, 02:55 PM | #61 | |
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January 6, 2009, 05:43 PM | #62 |
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See, it's that kind of thinking that's the problem. Why should police not have access to better weapons just because they look scary? A lot of PDs still don't even have their AR15s in the front rack because the brass is worried about "offending the public". Screw that, police should carry the scariest, most effective weapons they can find; most criminals are basically cowards, and a little more intimidation factor might well reduce the possibility of a shooting being required, and the malevolent criminals who aren't cowards need to be killed ASAP when they're endangering the lives of innocents. If police kill a criminal in the act of committing a crime, they should be immune to court system revenge the same way a private citizen in a "castle law" state is.
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January 6, 2009, 05:45 PM | #63 |
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Well I was planning on posting some pictures that I got off of google but they the first 10 pages of "uzi" "gangster with uzi" "gangster" and "MP5" turn up no usefull pictures.... I planned on getting pics of gangsters with uzis and normal ppl or cops/military with MP5 but found neither. Then I looked for pics of cops and gangsters that I could photoshop weapons in (although I dont have photoshop so I woulda just used paint )
But personally when I think UZI the first thing that comes to mind is the scene from Gran Torino when the gangsters use 2 uzis and do a drive-by on the azn ppls house. EDIT: @TheManHimself I didnt say that they shouldnt be able to carry scary weapons, but I think that if the discision is between an MP5 and an Uzi I would choose the MP5 as the one that will cause the most civil unrest. AND I guarantee that the perps would sh3t there pants if the MP5 gets pointed at them, I know I would if I was doing anything to warrant the fireing of the weapon. |
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The Uzi is considered a 2nd Generation submachinegun and the MP5 is considered a 3rd Generation submachinegun. One fires from an open bolt and the other a closed bolt. About the only thing they have in common is the caliber. Oh, yea. Did I mention the sights? Swapping magazines? Operating the Bolt? Last edited by Hkmp5sd; January 6, 2009 at 06:03 PM. |
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January 6, 2009, 06:33 PM | #65 |
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As Hkmp5sd said, the major difference is the Uzi fires from an open bolt. Closed bolt machine guns generally run smoother and are more accurate. I've fired both side by side. They are not even in the same league.
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January 6, 2009, 11:29 PM | #66 |
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Downside to MP5s
MP5s are not left handed friendly, cost of repair and supply of parts non existant. You can not shoot hot load SMG ammo for long in MP5 without breaking it. The open bolt close bolt accuracy only applies to the first round and is negated by training.
Your dept. can buy 4 UZI SMGs for the price of one MP5 Just because it's on a lot of swat posters and in magazines it is not all that it is cracked up to be. |
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January 9, 2009, 09:54 AM | #68 |
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I got to shoot a mag thru the MP5 at the Knob Creek MG Shoot a few years back. I didnt think it was that heavy at all and even on full auto is was easy to control. Good times.
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January 14, 2009, 05:54 PM | #69 |
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Rolling along quite well for a necropost, don'cha think? The Glock idea was meant to introduce the select-fire Glock 9x19s for consideration in the easy-to-carry SMG category, not to give you any Red Chinese sources of any real machinery. (How many air-softs DO you own, anyway??) As for body-armor penetration, there are many 9x19 options available to LEO, and many of us repack our own hot loads. Sorry I missed the meeting. I had a U.S. Congressman to attend to. Maybe next time.
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Cawnc4, Thats just not how it works.....a IIIa vest is made specifcally for the threat of 9mm submachineguns, and then you get into the rifle armor levels. While it will feel like a bee sting/light punch, it more often than not really makes you mad. There is no backflips, being tossed against the wall, caving in you ribs etc that you have been lead to believe happens.
(I have 30 years of wearing body armor starting with the orignal Second Chance Model Y, and I'm a vest save..not a bullet lol, a Penski rental truck at approx 40mph) like that Shootout at the Tyler Texas Courthouse, where a carry license holder shot the gunman at 5 feet twice between the shoulder blades with a .45acp Govt Model colt..the gunman was wearing kevlar, and promptly turned around and shot the would be hero to death with a semi auto AK47. no muss...no fuss.
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When it comes to SMG, MP5 has no comparison.
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