November 28, 2017, 08:01 AM | #1 |
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Fairly new to blackpowder. Why is it that my Walker Colt, which is a "44", is able to accept a 45Long Colt conversion? I assume this isn't a very intelligent question thus it seemed most appropriate to point out that I am new to the blackpowder world. Maybe a better question is, why is the Walker a "44" if other "44 caliber" revolvers are .429 versus .454?
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November 28, 2017, 08:28 AM | #2 |
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They were called 44s originally probably because of the diameter between lands in the barrel. We measure between grooves now, which will be in the .452 range. Heard other reasons too, but this is the only one that stuck.
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In the old days barrels were bored to .44 caliber and then rifled so the measurements would be taken from the lands, Nowadays bores are measured from the grooves. In the old days bullets were heeled meaning the outside diameter was the same size as the outside of the case like a .22 bullet is today.
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That being said.....so youre telling me that it perfectly reasonable and acceptable that a 45LC conversion kit could be fired in a Walker Colt 44?
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Yes .45 Colt is perfectly happy being fired from any cap and ball .44. The only problem you run into with conversion cylinders is a .38 cylinder in a .36 where you either need to use heeled bullets or hollow based bullets. The .38's are too small for the .36 bore.
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.45 Dragoon uses nothing but .45 Colt smokeless ammo in his Dragoon's and these are not loaded to cowboy action levels from what I understand. In fact I believe he loads his above standard factory ammo getting above 425 ft/lbs.
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Check out the .45 Black Powder Magnum:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Black_Powder_Magnum That'll put that long Walker window to good use, and rattle yer fillins!! |
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Absolutely correct. It can't move backwards against the wedge. And why would it?? Upon firing, the force is forward against the wedge. The rear of the wedge. Eventually causing the rear of the slot to peen and deform. How in the world can the arbor (and frame) take all the recoil?? It's only getting stressed at one end? Hold a rubber band between your thumb and finger. Now move your hand back. Feel any force? Of course not, because it's not hooked to anything on the other end. Hook it to something solid, and there will be measurable force... at both ends. Hook it to a toothpick, "just to hold it in place" and pull back, and the toothpick will break. Just as the wedge "just holding the parts together" would if it were made out of balsa instead of steel.
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I guess I'll have to let 45dragoon explain it.
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Jbar4Ranch is right. The pressure is forward, and compels the barrel assembly to fly down range. The wedge does take the brunt, and that's why 45dragoon threads a screw in the wedge slot to tighten up the wedge connection if it gets a bit deformed over time (rather than getting a new wedge). Bedding the arbor properly only ensures a consistent B/C gap.
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https://www.shootersforum.com/muzzle...l#/topics/4947 The study of the original paper cartridges was released to the public with permission to share. It's, however, rather lengthy and requires emailing to share unless you join the Yahoo Percussion Revolver Group. Now I don't study or collect original BP guns so I don't have a clue how the wedge/slot on these are like after use. |
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