Dual weilding

[jimbob86]

I carry an M&P 40 in a concealed quickdraw at FBI cant and four extra mags (two on each side so I can reload even with one arm) giving a total of 76 rounds, plus a .410 revolver and two full reloads for it totaling 15 shells. I also carry a Xipos detachable pistol strobe light, two knives (one folding tactical and one fixed blade CQK), and a spring baton. All that just on my person. Never leave home without it, wear it at home even, well, anytime I'm wearing pants.

Gorsh, Tachi, what's that weigh? Can you swim with all that on? You seem to be prepared for everything but deep water..... I mention this because I was once pushed into a 10' deep swimming pool with a 5" steel framed 1911and 16 rounds of 230gr .45 ACP ...... and found that I was negatively buoyant.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Tachi, that's one of the funniest writeups since Gecko45!

[Tachi]

@jimbob86:
It's just about 20lbs, except in winter when it's about 30lbs. And yes, I practice swimming with weight (not the guns, obviously). It's definitely a workout, but, I have the help of a little ... ahem ... extra bouyancy around the midsection.

@Dr. Strangelove:
Well, I'm glad your were amused. Despite the heavy sarcasm load, I was being pretty serious.

[5.56RifleGuy]

Flatfoot,

Fortunately New York's stupid laws don't apply to the rest of the states. A lot of states do not have a duty to retreat law.

[youngunz4life]

but I think everyone can agree that in a real life circumstance the weight would have to go. now if you can save your rifle via sidestroke or something...

[MLeake]

I suspected Tachi was joking. Now, with the skinning rattlesnakes alive bit, I seriously hope he's joking.

[MLeake]

The problem with duty to retreat laws, is that they just throw one more thing in favor of the aggressor / robber.

I've spent enough time in war zones that I guess I just don't see how we claim all life is sacred, except when we are overseas and it isn't.

Or, for that matter, when law enforcement is involved back home, and then it isn't.

Not picking on LE, nor the military, just saying the PC folks are a bit hypocritical about the sanctity of all human life.

[Tachi]

@younggunz:
I start fully clothed and wearing boots, then just strip off the boots underwater and tread water/swim around for 10 minutes. It's not that hard, tiring, but not hard. Of course, I do it in an 8ft deep stock tank, not anything dangerous, like a lake.

@MLeake:
Totally, and completely, not joking.

[MLeake]

Tachi, you do realize that torturing small animals (even rattle-snakes) is viewed by the psychology community as a pre-cursor to serial killing, etc, right?

[youngunz4life]

I got to plug that show "Dual Survival" in its 2nd season now(started 6/2010). Its on discovery channel fri nights and has repeats other times too. It is Extremely easy to put air in your pants and use it as a buoy, preserver, or whatever. I learned it as a child, but never remembered it being so easy to just catch the air real quick. They were talking about a military person(sorry, don't want to incorrectly quote his rank or branch) who survived in the ocean within the last decade for 2 days this way(he was hoping rescue would come which they did).

[youngunz4life]

yeah I still can't get my family to warm up to my highschool buddy who used to kill woodchucks with the tire of his dirtbike, shoot racoons with arrows after setting a trap and waiting on the roof, and the real killer(his dad was really upset was the skunk he killed and threw right across the street to rot for days and days). LOL. he's a great cop though(seriously). The stories just don't come off in the best light when they are told. LMAO. I love that 'kid'. of course, he came from a hunter family(which I didn't growing up), so I just correlated the two whether correctly or incorrectly.

[Tachi]

Gives a clean skin with head attached. First cut is to stab in just under the skin at the back of neck and cut down severing spine; second, follow through out the throat; third, down the belly. Grab the spine at throat and strip whole body out of the skin with a quick pull. Takes about 10-15 seconds, and the spine is cut in less than 2 seconds. It's a lot quicker and more humane than it sounds. But, no matter how you kill a snake, it takes its brain several minutes to shutdown. Price of having a reptile's slow nervous system. This, at least, stops the pain below it's neck amost instantly, as opposed to half cutting it with a shovel ten or twelve times like most people do. Keep in mind, they neutered the steer your hamburger was made from without anesthetic.

Call me a monster if you like, I don't mind. I learned the technique from my grandfather when I was eight years old. Farm folk think differently, get over it.

[jimbob86]

It is Extremely easy to put air in your pants and use it as a buoy, preserver, or whatever. I learned it as a child, but never remembered it being so easy to just catch the air real quick. They were talking about a military person(sorry, don't want to incorrectly quote his rank or branch) who survived in the ocean within the last decade for 2 days this way(he was hoping rescue would come which they did).

Not easy at all, and unpossible if you are sinking in the first place. We did this as "Drownproofing" in the Army: Jump in a 3 meter deep pool in BDU's and boots, remove the boots ASAP, and then take your BDU pants off and knot the pantlegs while treading water .... then try to scoop air into the pants. It was harder than it looked in a pool, and I would not want to intentionally attempt it in a river with any sort of current or in body of water with waves of any size. Strap enough weight to yourself to be negatively buoyant, and it ain't happenin'....... an extra 20 lbs and you would just go to the bottom ...... maybe you could walk out ......

[youngunz4life]

I am confident I could get the job done, but I am sure some could have trouble(whether it be the certain type of individual or also an unknowledgable individual). 1st off, in a survival situation, all the excess weight needs to go: boots, jerseys, guns, etc. The pants are used as a buoy. Of course there are always factors(as you mentioned Jim). One of these could be the fact that you're trying to save your drowning child as all of this is going on. If you can't swim you are screwed. In drowning incidents it takes 30 seconds to go under water once the victim starts panicking. One must stay calm(which becomes increasingly more difficult as fear and reality sets in).

Take the pants and tie the bottom of both pant legs together. Catch the air while treading water and very quickly just turn and pull the open end of the pants down into the water(this catches the air).

I did my 4yrs in the military like many others have(many have done much more than my 4yrs//hooah). I was army too. With all due respect, 'they' can make "keep it simple" a complicated saying. That being said, the training you had was probably 10 times more difficult if not more than civilian training, and the training probably did you guys a world of good.

[youngunz4life]

It is Extremely easy to put air in your pants and use it as a buoy

that quote I made can be deceiving. I meant much easier than people think. When thats all you got you need to make it work. period. time is of the essence.

[youngunz4life]

did you guyz see the one where he kills and skins a python to use as a water canteen? dave canterbury(army woodsman) had never done it before, but they needed water in a bad way but had nothing to heat the water to kill the parasites(florida everglades). the skin actually held over the fire allowing the water to be decontaminated

[MLeake]

Tachi, given that your expanded explanation includes immediately severing the spine, I retract my concern.

The way it read, at first, was a bit gruesome.

[9mm]

@Tachi


Okay maybe he is joking guys but so what if it is real, if he has a permit to carry he can do it if he wants.

Carrying two guns is not unreal. Though I do not see the point in FOUR(4) magazines, maybe 2 reloads for them is fine(total 3 magazines).

[MLeake]

9mm, your math and your statement are at odds...

Two pistols would usuall mean two magazines.

Two reloads (total) plus two magazines (in the guns) is four magazines.

Where did you get three?

[Tachi]

@9mm:
The purpose of four reloads for my M&P (two on each side) is that I want to have 2 available even if one arm is out of comission. Paranoia? Maybe. Prior planning prevents ... well, you know.


@MLeake:
Yeah, I probably should have been a bit less hyperbolic with that "Tachi the Snakemaster" post. And, for that matter, a bit less combative with my reply to your concerns. My bad.

9mm was referring to the fact that I carry four extra mags for my M&P, for five total, while he thinks 2 reloads, giving 3 total mags in enough. My BUG is a revolver, no mags. Though I do carry two reloads for it in a ten-shell, rifle cartridge, belt pouch. Those .308 loops hold .410 shells nicely.

It's a "to each his own" argument.

[KMAX]

One good pistol and an extra mag on my person and maybe a bigger pistol and extra mag in the car is good for me. I can't see carrying 2 guns concealed on me, but I try to avoid the situations where I might need that. I do almost always carry a traditional folding pocket knife and a tactical knife. I consider both more as tools than as weapons, although the tactical knife could serve as a weapon. I have never really understood people being scared of a person simply because "He has a knife!!!" There are many common items that can be used as weapons. Bats, brooms, cooking utensils and pans, bug spray, canned goods, almost any mechanics tool, carkeys, furniture. The list is almost endless. Back to the point, I would say avoid conflict, if feasible, but if you have to shoot shoot like your life depends on it. If you feel you have to carry several guns and tons of ammo, maybe you are going to the wrong places. Personally, I try to avoid those places, but you decide.

[KMAX]

Tachi. Are you skinning the snakes solely for the skins or do you use the meat? Doesn't really matter. I am not a "snake hugger" or PETA or anything like that. Just curious.

[Tachi]

KMAX,
I kill them because they are a hazard to my family and animals. I'm not fond of snake meat, so, after poison gland removal and disposal, the dogs or birds get it, depending on which gets to it first (usually dogs). I give the skins to a friend whose hobby is leatherworking. He makes stuff which he barters for minor goods and services. In return, I get meat when he hunts.

[armsmaster270]

Here is my setup, Sig 226 in 357Sig and 340PD .357Mag Bug

[youngunz4life]

that'll work