Wisconsin/Molson-Coors Shooting

mehavey · February 26, 2020, 08:37 PM

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...es/4884282002/
>
> at least seven people were killed — including a gunman/ suicide
> . . . The shooter was armed with two handguns, one with a silencer...
> ....an employee who had been fired earlier in the day [stolen name-tag]

The Gentle Readers can guess what will come next.
(and it didn't take long)
https://wtmj.com/news/2020/02/26/pre...mass-shooting/
... and...
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...ocial-media%2F
(It is interesting how quickly this last one went totally off the rails.....)

JERRYS. · February 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

and people wonder why fired employees are escorted out and door codes are changed....

riffraff · February 27, 2020, 12:46 AM

It seems like they are holding back details on the gun for some reason, though some articles say it was silenced. Almost sounds like either a real gun friendly police force trying not to make it another black gun outrage or there is some benefit to not sharing the info, ie shooter was prohibited and they don't want anyone covering their tracks as far as supplying him with it.

**Spats McGee** · February 27, 2020, 08:58 AM

Read a couple of articles on this today. Some say it was silenced, some do not.

USNRet93 · February 27, 2020, 09:54 AM

Wonder what Molson-Coors rules are on CCW?

AND the path taken for the guy to get his firearms.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 27, 2020, 01:21 PM

I thought I read an article late yesterday that said he had two guns, and that one of them was surpressed.

It looks like shooting everyone within range when you get fired or laid off is becoming the new norm in the United States. It's the guns' fault, of course. There's no need for psychologists and sociologists to waste time or effort wondering why this happens.

spacemanspiff · February 27, 2020, 01:59 PM

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Wonder what Molson-Coors rules are on CCW?

Safe to assume that their employee handbook forbids weapons on premises. The supposedly was more than 1,000 employees present at the time of the shooting. In this day and age, a company that size most likely has an active shooter insurance policy, and has procedures in place for such an event. Their employees and management have undoubtedly had training for what to do. Run and hide is the tactic insurance companies tend to gravitate towards.

stephen426 · February 27, 2020, 02:32 PM

Even if employees are walked out of the building, there is little that can be done to prevent these kinds of tragedies unless the facilities are really locked down. Even if the facilities are locked down, there have to be armed guards to respond to threats. Most businesses do not have the funding to respond to this kind of threat.

The shooting in Virginia Beach was at a government building the shooter was able to kill 12 people before he was killed in a shootout with police. Having a gun free work place makes it impossible to defend yourself.

**44 AMP** · February 27, 2020, 02:38 PM

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It looks like shooting everyone within range when you get fired or laid off is becoming the new norm in the United States.

it's hardly new, the phrase "going postal" is decades old and came about because of post office workers flipping out and killing co-workers.

Its a cultural thing, too. In the US people usually use guns when they do it. In Japan, the fired employee (who is also more socially disgraced than in the US) usually uses an edged weapon, knife or sword. They frequently murder their family, and then, themselves, at home, rather than going to the workplace or out in public.

I've heard (no way to know the truth of it) that it was (is?) so common in Japan that they didn't count it in their crime statistics, until fairly recently.

Generally speaking, crimes committed with guns are not to be considered "firearms related" enough for this forum. And, really, that's all this is. Tragic, and sad, but is it really a topic for discussion, here??

Natty270 · February 27, 2020, 02:50 PM

Dan O'Donnell said on his show that he knows the name of the perp and looked him up on the CCAP criminal search site in WI and the person was arrested twice, but not for anything that would have put this guy on a "Red Flag" list.

No law is going to stop this kind of stuff from happening.

God bless the families and friends of the folks that lost their lives in this senseless tragedy.

T. O'Heir · February 27, 2020, 02:52 PM

Whether the nut case used a suppressor or one or 2 firearms is irrelevant. Law abiding shooters will still pay for it.

riffraff · February 27, 2020, 07:09 PM

Based on the continued lack of info there is more to the story..

Ie even the caliber isn't published.

Maybe it's just a wise police force, keeping details to a minimum so there is less to write about, but I think more likely there is an investigation ongoing.

mehavey · February 27, 2020, 08:06 PM

A lot going on here;
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/4893244002/
... and yes..had chronic pain background ...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...er/4891164002/

But one thing EVERYone who know him said "... uniform shock" they never saw it coming.

And of course the classic...
> ...both local officials and Democratic presidential candidates are already calling for
> changes to stop deadly mass shootings.
>
> “We know that our country needs to do more to prevent senseless gun violence,”
> Rep. Gwen Moore (D), who serves Wisconsin’s 4th District, wrote late Wednesday
> evening. “It’s a cruel irony that tomorrow marks the anniversary of the House passing
> legislation to expand background checks on guns, which is languishing in the Senate.”
>

Which of course... would have done absolutely nothing here.

February 26, 2020, 08:37 PM	#1
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,210	Wisconsin/Molson-Coors Shooting https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...es/4884282002/ > > at least seven people were killed — including a gunman/ suicide > . . . The shooter was armed with two handguns, one with a silencer... > ....an employee who had been fired earlier in the day [stolen name-tag] The Gentle Readers can guess what will come next. (and it didn't take long) https://wtmj.com/news/2020/02/26/pre...mass-shooting/ ... and... https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...ocial-media%2F (It is interesting how quickly this last one went totally off the rails.....)

February 27, 2020, 08:58 AM	#4
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,840	Read a couple of articles on this today. Some say it was silenced, some do not. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

February 27, 2020, 01:21 PM	#6
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,051	I thought I read an article late yesterday that said he had two guns, and that one of them was surpressed. It looks like shooting everyone within range when you get fired or laid off is becoming the new norm in the United States. It's the guns' fault, of course. There's no need for psychologists and sociologists to waste time or effort wondering why this happens. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

February 27, 2020, 02:32 PM	#8
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,879	Even if employees are walked out of the building, there is little that can be done to prevent these kinds of tragedies unless the facilities are really locked down. Even if the facilities are locked down, there have to be armed guards to respond to threats. Most businesses do not have the funding to respond to this kind of threat. The shooting in Virginia Beach was at a government building the shooter was able to kill 12 people before he was killed in a shootout with police. Having a gun free work place makes it impossible to defend yourself. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

February 26, 2020, 10:28 PM	#2
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,985	and people wonder why fired employees are escorted out and door codes are changed....

February 27, 2020, 12:46 AM	#3
riffraff Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2016 Posts: 629	It seems like they are holding back details on the gun for some reason, though some articles say it was silenced. Almost sounds like either a real gun friendly police force trying not to make it another black gun outrage or there is some benefit to not sharing the info, ie shooter was prohibited and they don't want anyone covering their tracks as far as supplying him with it.

February 27, 2020, 09:54 AM	#5
USNRet93 Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2018 Location: Republic of Boulder, USA Posts: 1,475	Wonder what Molson-Coors rules are on CCW? AND the path taken for the guy to get his firearms.

February 27, 2020, 02:50 PM	#10
Natty270 Member Join Date: February 24, 2020 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 21	Dan O'Donnell said on his show that he knows the name of the perp and looked him up on the CCAP criminal search site in WI and the person was arrested twice, but not for anything that would have put this guy on a "Red Flag" list. No law is going to stop this kind of stuff from happening. God bless the families and friends of the folks that lost their lives in this senseless tragedy.

February 27, 2020, 02:52 PM	#11
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Whether the nut case used a suppressor or one or 2 firearms is irrelevant. Law abiding shooters will still pay for it.

February 27, 2020, 07:09 PM	#12
riffraff Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2016 Posts: 629	Based on the continued lack of info there is more to the story.. Ie even the caliber isn't published. Maybe it's just a wise police force, keeping details to a minimum so there is less to write about, but I think more likely there is an investigation ongoing.

February 27, 2020, 08:06 PM	#13
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,210	A lot going on here; https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/4893244002/ ... and yes..had chronic pain background ... https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...er/4891164002/ But one thing EVERYone who know him said "... uniform shock" they never saw it coming. And of course the classic... > ...both local officials and Democratic presidential candidates are already calling for > changes to stop deadly mass shootings. > > “We know that our country needs to do more to prevent senseless gun violence,” > Rep. Gwen Moore (D), who serves Wisconsin’s 4th District, wrote late Wednesday > evening. “It’s a cruel irony that tomorrow marks the anniversary of the House passing > legislation to expand background checks on guns, which is languishing in the Senate.” > Which of course... would have done absolutely nothing here.