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Old January 22, 2020, 09:27 PM   #1
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Winchester 9mm NATO ammunition

Is anyone having issues with extraction of Winchester 9mm NATO ammo? It appears to me that the groove at the back of the casing is not deep enough for an extractor to grab it reliably. I have compared it to Federal and there seems to be quite a difference.
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Old January 22, 2020, 09:51 PM   #2
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I have fired this ammo from a S&W 59 and an M&P without a problem.
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Old January 23, 2020, 01:54 AM   #3
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Have buckets full of it, no issues.
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Old January 23, 2020, 04:41 PM   #4
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no extraction problems yet, Ive tested it out of my Glocks, XD's, SIG's, HK's
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Old January 25, 2020, 06:37 PM   #5
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It has worked for me. Shoot some and find out if it works in your gun.
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Old January 25, 2020, 08:40 PM   #6
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No issues for me.
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Old January 26, 2020, 12:57 AM   #7
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I've used thousands of rounds of the Winchester 124 grain NATO over the last 20 years or so in a variety of semi-auto firearms. Functions flawlessly.

You certainly could have received some out of spec ammo. I can only say that I've never experienced any out of spec indications in shooting this ammo, or using the cases for reloading...
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Old January 27, 2020, 12:44 AM   #8
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??????

I'm missing something. Are you stating the ammo is not functioning properly in your pistol, or that the NATO ammo extractor groove simply does not appear the same as the Federal groove and you SUSPECT it may not function properly.

I've seen quite a bit (say 50,000 rds) of W-W NATO ball shot through Glock 17/34 (personally owned) and SIG P225, P226, and P228 (issued to officers) with no problem.
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Old January 31, 2020, 01:53 PM   #9
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I have a bunch of this NATO stuff. It's my favorite, and I've never had any issues with it. I shoot it in a P-01 with the NATO stock number, and in a Shadow 2.
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Old January 31, 2020, 06:01 PM   #10
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Have you had problems? Or are you worried about the POSSIBILITY of a problem? Winchester 124 NATO works perfectly at my place.various pistols and a Colt 6951 all devour the stuff.
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Old February 2, 2020, 08:11 PM   #11
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If its true nato ammo, its loaded hot.
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Old February 4, 2020, 04:39 PM   #12
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If its true nato ammo, its loaded hot.
9mm NATO is hotter than 9mm Luger, but less than 9mm +P.
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Old February 7, 2020, 12:50 AM   #13
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9mm NATO is good for stocking up for long term storage, go to war ammo SHTF

it has sealed crimped primers for reliability , long term storage
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Old February 7, 2020, 08:21 AM   #14
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chronographed at 1200 fps for me.

Shoots out of everything I have tried it in even my micro 9.

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Old February 7, 2020, 11:43 AM   #15
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chronographed at 1200 fps for me.
Out of what barrel length, please?

The usual test barrel for 9mm handgun velocity is 4-inch.
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Old February 7, 2020, 12:30 PM   #16
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Once upon a time, NATO 9mm was tested in an 8" Beretta SMG. Which would inflate the velocity reading considerably. A 124 at 1200 from a pistol is pretty stout.
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Old February 7, 2020, 01:19 PM   #17
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Once upon a time, NATO 9mm was tested in an 8" Beretta SMG. Which would inflate the velocity reading considerably. A 124 at 1200 from a pistol is pretty stout.
Yes, for NATO. For military purposes. For civilian, commercial ammunition (which is what we would be comparing to), the usual standard seems to be a 4-inch barrel for 9mm handgun ammo.

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Old February 8, 2020, 05:02 PM   #18
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Yes, 9mm ballistics are commonly quoted for a 4" barrel. Others, like 38 Super for instance, from a 5" barrel. One reason why the Super may appear to be much more powerful than 9MM. When both are tested in 5" barrels, the assumed superiority of 38 Super over 9mm is not always consistent with reality.

In any case, some actual chronographed velocities for the Winchester Q4318 124 grain NATO ammo:

4" Bbl. = 1165 FPS
5" Bbl. = 1214 FPS
5.9" Bbl.= 1244 FPS
16" Bbl. = 1319 FPS

2" revolver = 1079 FPS
3" revolver = 1169 FPS

FWIW the IMI 124 NATO averages 3-5% faster in my guns.
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