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#576 |
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Ok this question may need it's own thread but
How if at all do we think this verdict effects the SCOTUS cases out of NY on concealed carry . Is there an argument that depending on the verdict the SCOTUS would write it's opinion differently . I don't mean there specific ruling yes/no but how it's written . Meaning if they were to rule carry outside the home is constitutional and a core right . Maybe after this verdict they still rain it in some to not have this verdict and there ruling seem to say it's time to go back to the old west days and shootouts in the streets are just something we will have to live with in the future . Or vise versa , Maybe because of this verdict they will not rule carry is constitutional outside the home . Fearing if they rule carry outside the home is constitutional that could be misunderstood as vigilante justice is gtg . I'm not very good at writing and I have to say the above is some of the worst I've done compared to what I'm thinking and trying to get across . IDK I just feel this could effect that case in several ways , both good and bad for carry rights in America . I know the anti's are going to be making the argument this verdict and a SCOTUS ruling in NY could set back the safety of the citizens 200years . If that kind of talk gets loud enough , the justices are going to hear it and some will be effected by it .
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Kyle had every right to be where he was as an American citizen to protest peacibly against bad law enforcement and carry the gun as he did for lawful self-defense as provided by Our Bill of Rights.
We need more American heroes like Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman. Last edited by JohnKSa; November 19, 2021 at 11:28 PM. Reason: . |
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As the charges were all dropped, it will be interesting to see if the DA'S office orders the rifle to be returned to him.
![]() Case is closed, shouldn't be needed as evidence any longer. Last edited by shurshot; November 19, 2021 at 07:54 PM. |
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The firearm is owned by Mr. black who is facing some charges of some sort I don’t I’m not sure what they all are but my guess is he never gets it back
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Kyle borrowed the gun from Mr. Black? The rightful gun owner doesn't get his rifle back? There's no reason for that.
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YES, pointing a gun at someone IS a provocative action and for generations (virtually every generation since guns were invented) some one pointing a gun at you was at the very least an unfriendly act and in many cases more than sufficient justification for shooting them. HOW IS THIS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE???
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I remain of the opinion that in the NYSRPA case the Supreme Court will rule that New York's "may issue, if you show an extraordinary need" licensing system will be ruled unconstitutional.
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There is a difference.
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Since Rittenhouse was too young to purchase a firearm on his own, Black technically (and actually) committed a straw purchase. It remains to be seen whether or not the DA's office will hammer him for that.
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This event sure has me reviewing each state's laws regarding self-defense. My state is similar to Wisconsin's. I may be wrong, but I think I read someplace that if a defendant successfully is judged to have used legitimate self-defense--they are also immune from future civil lawsuits in Wisconsin.
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This may not be over for Kyle:
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"There is a difference".(AB).
Valid point. Yeah, you are right... that rifle is likey out of circulation for good. |
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A simple search will show Rittenhouse did not cross state lines with a rifle. The rifle was in Kenosha to start (and end) with. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...g-him-kenosha/ The brainless mob cannot stand having its prey snatch from its jaws, It will now rage in mindless fury like a rabid dog to destroy every thing and every one it encounters. And the REAL people who brought this all on... the governors and mayors who are wont to "give them room to destroy...." stand aside out of cowardice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4pUbHdc-Ig (Start at 1:00) . Last edited by mehavey; November 19, 2021 at 10:13 PM. |
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Never let facts get in the way of an indignant rant.
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The concept of loosing your rights for moving around in your own country is the most worrisome part of all of this to me.
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For the Citizens of Kenosha,,the "Peaceful Protest" was not any more "peaceful" than the Jan 6 "Peaceful Protest" that so alarms Congress. IMO, Kyle Rittenhouse was far better at distinguishing who to shoot and who to not shoot than the Capitol Police who shot and killed Ashli. Who,BTW,is shielded by anonymity and not even charged. Ashli was guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps she may have been charged with something. But she presented no mortal threat to anyone. Yet she was killed by one of YOUR agents,Representative Nadler. Kyle shot NO peaceful protestors. Not one. He shot people who were trying to kill him. The Verdict confirmed his innocence. Statements like yours,Representative Nadler, incite violence and destruction and YOU should be held accountable. The aftermath of the verdict should be "Its settled" I'll give credit where its due,even President Biden agrees with that. Lets not rekindle the wildfire. Give Kenosha a break. |
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The trial is over, the verdict is in. So this thread is done.
If you feel you have a valid Law & Civil Rights issue to discuss, feel free to start a new thread. Closed.
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