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October 29, 2017, 08:11 PM | #51 | |
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If I were in your position I'd go to ebay and buy RCBS.
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October 30, 2017, 08:59 AM | #52 |
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Joed, yes I did buy one and actually trying to get one more. Amazing press for sure
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October 31, 2017, 11:03 AM | #53 |
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Just a word of caution be careful of shipping costs when shopping Ebay. Looked at a Rock Chucker last night, it was only a little over 50 bucks but with shipping was over 120. Midway has sale going on now with the Rock Chucker Supreme going for for 112.
I just built a new reloading bench and my old Lee looked like a Walmart dress on a Hollywood red carpet walk. The Lee will be used as a clamp on range press now I guess.
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November 2, 2017, 05:07 AM | #54 |
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Nothing wrong with a good quality single stage press. I've been using my Lyman Orange crusher for a little over 30 years. I also have a Loadmaster set up for high volume 9mm, and a Lee turret. These days I do all but 9mm and precision rifle ammo on the turret, but for longer range and load workup I only use the single stage for 6.5 CM. Over all, I do about 60% of my loading on the turret, 35% on the Loadmaster, and 10% on the single stage.
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November 2, 2017, 07:42 PM | #55 |
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We all have our takes, I am a single press guy.
Until you do it you won't know, but its a good place to start and you can always use it for secondary duties. If I was going all new press, I suspect it would be the Forster Coax. https://rifleshooter.com/2017/03/for...ecision-rifle/ Just because its a breeze to change the dies and I am a single press kind of guy and I have yet to figure out where to put a second press (for things like a universal de-primer and or the Lyman M die) No desire to do turrets and all that, but that's me, some like em and bless them.
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November 2, 2017, 08:40 PM | #56 |
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RC20 I keep saying this but that's the beauty of this hobby. No set rules for what one has to use or how much one has to spend to enjoy this. We all get to set up and progress at our own pace and desire, we all can take it to any level we want and no one gets to say a thing about it..
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November 3, 2017, 03:02 AM | #57 |
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If you're going to go through 400 rounds a month I would get the LCT which works has a decent production per hour or a Dillon progressive if you can afford it. The 550 press itself isn't real expensive but once you buy the ancillaries it can add up fast. If you get a single stage it will take way longer than I care to spend loading a hundred rounds for the week. However numerous people don't mind having to do one step at a time, put each case in a loading block and then repeating that after having to set up another die. With shell plates on turret or progessives caliber swaps are fast and simple. It's your money though.
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November 5, 2017, 02:07 PM | #58 |
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In the 50s I helped my dad reload shotgun shells as a 3~5 year old kid...did not learn anything
In the 70s rented a farm house and found a green hunk of rusty slag heavy press of some sort in the attic Retires in the 90s and around early 2000s I got gun nut itus as well as my retired Army wife Ammo prices going through the roof thought of reloading From on line searching I thought the Lee Turret made sense from a price perspective... many other tried to steer me to the higher end progressives Boy was I wrong.... And to be truth full I like the Lee brand for what it is I found that unless you know how to, and efficiently as well as safely/repeatably, preform all the reloading steps -----a progressive reloading outfit is very hard to set up...even with expert internet advise and good manuals....for a neophyte I remembered the green slag and went to shed and started the rebuild... RCBS Rock Chunker mabe 30~40 years old As I was bringing RCBS back to life, I found the Lee Factory outlet and got in on a few special pricing for their single stage presses...bought three Lot of folks said Lee suck at every thing but their dies are very good...got a few sets for my calibers Got all the other goodies and tools following good internet advice Set up a four position reload table with Rock Chunker last to do crimp... my! what a rock, solid no fuss very heavy chunk of cast iron As I learned what does, and does not work, setting up dies and tooling, measuring powders, reading load books, resizing, OAL, crimps---- I had so many aha moments that I felt confident to resurrect the progressive press and set it up properly I still us the 4 station table to work up new loads to test... tedious and much slower Once I am happy with the load, I do a good production run of 100 or more in the progressive.... My experience suggest a crawl, walk, run approach to starting out in reloading The first step is to learn how to do it properly in the right sequence and safety From this you decide if you even like the meticulously tedious task of making safe ammunition in small qty or bulk For me several reasons for reloading...first was cost avoidance over time and this cost per cartridge must have initial and all other costs added Second was to have ammo to use when there is none or few to be bought--- in my case 45 Colt If you could find it, was approaching $45 a box of twenty for target ball and defensive stuff was nearing $55 per box IF they had any...Wife and I were fun shooting cowboy 45 pistols 4 times a month Another good reason for reloading is making better than factory cartridges for a particular weapon Third reason in political uncertainty....can we even buy any ammo for our gun collection in the next 20 years? Fourth is Apocalyptic (Zombies?) No I am not fearful of brain eaters... BUT we did personally see massive bad human behavior near to us with natural disasters...I quite frankly was real concerned with the weapons confiscation in disaster zones Fifth is lean times for components... when I started amassing primers and powders in 2008 supply was very limited So if avid sport shooter, target master, hunter, competitor, or bug out Zombie concerned...reloading is a good skill set to have I have a mild OCD personality and have seen too many mechanical ( army aviation maintenance) and weapons malfunction problems in my military life.... so reloading for me is nerve wracking double and triple check everything I can now buy reasonably price ammo in the cals we shoot frequently --- Each year I have a 2 week to month long deliberate reload session... use up and replenish expendables and powders ...keep skills current... stock pile known good ammo So I am in the camp of start single stage, learn the craft...THEN get the ultimate set up YOU can afford |
November 5, 2017, 03:55 PM | #59 |
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I started on Hollywood’s, Stars, and Herters. The first one I bought myself was a Rockchucker, and I’ve had several other RCBS presses. They are good, but hardly the best.
I said get a used one to see if you like it, but if you do like handloading get a Forster. IMHO far and away the best press out there for about it a dozen reasons. It takes the best features of an auger press and hand dies, and combines them with a traditional press. This guy does a good job of explaining. https://youtu.be/NEzVZe7f6G0 https://youtu.be/4c9ZFsSgyeA |
November 5, 2017, 04:10 PM | #60 |
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I continue to choke on the price but if I was staring new and was sure I was going to keep at it, its the one I would bite the bullet for (grin)
I don't say that lightly. I am a best bang for the buck. Right now I have 3 RCBS presses, so I am fixed, can't justify the Co Axe. But I have gotten the higher priced things ahead of it as well (Annie Annealer, Lyamn Borecope and an auto powder dispenser) I bought one Forster die set in 30-06 to see how I liked it. Hoh hum. Not that its bad, just the RCBS seems to do as good. First thing was I broke the stem (military rounds that did not have the crimp as removed as they needed to be, the downside to floating pin is breaking pin with the rare slip in of those rounds, only time its happened of course, grrr) But I do think the CoAxe is a real improvement. Fast change dies would be a real help with any single press setup (I can't see to find a place to put a scone press and even then the fast change would be a help as second press would just be the Lyman M die)
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November 5, 2017, 04:16 PM | #61 | |
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You get a wide spread and generally supported report as to why it works for you. You can then try to sort out what seems to fit. If someone likes the various turrets types, as long as they know the aspects, go for it. My reloading bench is a mess (work in progress!). I don't recommend it but I am not super neat and tidy and it only bother some because I loose things, not because I can't make good ammo. It bothers a lot of people though so its generally not a good practice. Doesn't mean I am better nor they are, just how people function. I admire a clean bench, great goal, not a have to if you can function that way. If you can't then you better have a clean bench!
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